Werewolf LXXVI - The Werewolf Draft! Game over, see last pages for details

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

For a dead guy you sure do talk alot...and loudly

FWIW I actually didn't think you were a wolf this game...I made it all the way to your death without voting for you or calling you out as a suspect. Aren't you impressed?

your one in a million

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

your one in a million

there is sooo muh love in here!

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I just got home from work and just playing post catch up at the moment. I'll be commenting as I go if I see anything worth noting, so bear with me.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Pass wears womens underwear.

thats no lie.

Thanks for the levity.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I am the duke, and I win with the villagers.


You can see in the rules, my role is listed with the villagers. Anyone who is arguing otherwise is doing nothing more then trying to wreck a future villager COT from forming with doubt.

There is just soooooooo much to read. I have noticed some still questioning Alan's intentions and I just don't understand that. The posts that do so are just wasting space and taking our attention away from finding the wolves.

I know Render is getting heated, and you're defending your wife, I get that, but all the bickering is doing is taking away from good analysis. If we're not focused on Telle, then give us someone to look at - with good reason. We can't look at Alan, so that has to be just dropped.

I think we're all getting frustrated, is that an understatement?

We need to have some kind of plan of action - we need to make suggestions on who the seers should watch tonight. I'm still catching up so I'll make a post in a bit as far as who I'd like to know about.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Looking at Alan's recap, I seriously wonder why I am being pointed out...day 1 I voted for DT with NINE other people...day 2 I voted for EF, alone, instead of voting with the village for BK who turned out to be a villager. Today I voted for Saldana along with TEN other people. But yeah, I guess you are right...EVERYONE else that voted for those 2 are good and I am the wolf.

Whatever. Here are my picks for wolves:

GoldenEagle
Eagle Fan
Mccollins
*Telle

*I'm still on the fence with Telle...some moments I think she is a wolf, some moments I think she isn't. If I had to add a 4th, well I'm not sure who it would be at this point. But the other 3 are acting very suspiciously IMHO.

EF votes for you, not the other way around.

[Passacaglia]

So, you did vote for BK who turned out to be a villager.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Ummm, excuse me??? All of Telle's PM's?????

All of Telle's "posts" around the two posts I quoted - that's pretty obvious in the context of what I wrote.

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think you are either intentionally or unintentionally trying to draw heat away from you for what I would call a terminology difference. I've seen people call posts from a person on a message board PMs before outside of WW. I'm assuming in the context used there he obviously is talking about Telle's posts.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by oliegirl

You might be right, but that to me a huge blunder to make, especially for someone who has played as many games as McC.

Yeah 6 or 7 games is really a ton...

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

OMG! Are you freaking kidding me???? I screw up with a NAME (which I have done before with those two) and you are comparing that Mccollins basically saying that he and Telle had been PM'ing?????

That's a stretch. Anyone can see from the post in question that I quote two of Telle's posts and then refer to all her comments around those two posts.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Looking at Alan's recap, I seriously wonder why I am being pointed out...day 1 I voted for DT with NINE other people...day 2 I voted for EF, alone, instead of voting with the village for BK who turned out to be a villager. Today I voted for Saldana along with TEN other people.

Check again.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Looking at Alan's recap, I seriously wonder why I am being pointed out...day 1 I voted for DT with NINE other people...day 2 I voted for EF, alone, instead of voting with the village for BK who turned out to be a villager. Today I voted for Saldana along with TEN other people. But yeah, I guess you are right...EVERYONE else that voted for those 2 are good and I am the wolf.

Whatever. Here are my picks for wolves:

GoldenEagle
Eagle Fan
Mccollins
*Telle

*I'm still on the fence with Telle...some moments I think she is a wolf, some moments I think she isn't. If I had to add a 4th, well I'm not sure who it would be at this point. But the other 3 are acting very suspiciously IMHO.

You may want to look again. You voted for BK on day 2. Nice way to try to change history there. The more you post the more sure I am of this so thank you. I know I'll be the focus of olierage but I only have posts and votes to go on and both of those for you are coming up wolf.

[EagleFan]

Just to throw this out there:

CoT
alan t - forced to be there, I still think he is up to something self-serving though and would offer him up as a lynch target if we weren't getting our ass kicked and can't afford anymore losses
Telle - why would the wolves kill off Lathum is he was a fake seer and he cleared Telle if she was a wolf? We don't know for certain and neither do they
Pass - see reasons for Telle, though I really want to think he is a wolf for the principle of the thing


CoD
oliegirl -she kees vopting for villagers and her posts are screaming wolf to me
mccollins - we need to look into the PM thing a little more (granted this would really spoil my CoT if it does involve Telle)


Keep an eye on:
Mrs Schmidty - Something seems a little different from her last game where she was a star villager
Danny - can't get a read on but something seems off
SnDvls - OTR wolf?
Schmidty - OTR wolf? Could be RL getting in the way but he just seems to be very OTR
RendeR - always keep an eye on RendeR
LSG - seemed to be aligned with olierage early but has trying to put some distance between them lately, maybe a wolf ploy, I suspected more than two female wolves around the point when she was puching the one female wolf idea heavily, possibly to set us up to let our guard down when one is found

[claphamsa]

vote mccollins.

great guy, obvious wolf!

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Keep an eye on:
Mrs Schmidty - Something seems a little different from her last game where she was a star villager

Wish I could live up to last game, but I was the snoop in that one - was much easier to help the team. Even with analysis in this game, there is about 4 pages of usefull info mixed in with 31 pages of emotional reactions and repeating of info.

We seem to get caught up on the obviously wrong (Questioning Alan's intentions - Wolf duke, or normal duke). We've lost a seer, fake or not, our spy and our BG. We need something, anything concrete, or at least I do, to go by. I don't want our other seer to reveal themself, but damn, it would be nice to know what they're seeing!

My suggestions for our seer tonight:
Render - Admittedly he over reacted to the heat on Telle - either he's just showing an abundance of good ol' fashioned "don't mess with my woman" or pershaps he's trying to pull heat off of a roled wolf (Telle is maybe the sorcerer?) and he'd rather the heat be on him? Would make sense for them to be on the same team. I haven't been on the Telle bandwagon, but maybe there is something to it.
Clap - I know he didn't want to die early, but he seems to be trying to be painfully quiet - like he wants to spill his guts but just can't.
Schmidty - where the hell is he? Seriously, is he always this quiet?

Those 3 jump to the top of my list that I would like checked out. Any thoughts?

[Mrs. Schmidty]

As of post 1714:

3 Oliegirl: GoldenEagle (1643), Danny (1646), EagleFan (1689)
1GoldenEagle: Oliegirl (1647)
1 Passacaglia: LoneStarGirl (1697)
1 McCollins: Claphamsa (1713)

[Alan T]

I'm not too worried about Render right now myself. If the real seer is alive, mccollins is someone who would interest me. Claphamsa, Danny and Sndvls also.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Schmidty - OTR wolf? Could be RL getting in the way but he just seems to be very OTR

Partly RL (sleep) issues, and partly that I have absolutely nothing of value to add. This game seems like a crapshoot, and I don't want to screw things up even more by overanalyzing or coming up with crazy theories at this point, because, well, I want to live.

[RendeR]

someone give me the short version of what happened after say...2pm today?

[Danny]

Coming up, give me a sec

[Danny]

People argue over whether or not Telle was cleared by Lathum being killed.

Goldeneagle votes Oliegirl, myself and Eaglefan do so as well later.

Oliegirl unleashed the Olierage and votes Goldeneagle.

Pass implies Telle is a mason, though most of us didn't see anything leading to whether that is true or not.

Lonestargirl votes Pass not understanding why the heat is off of him

Mccollins says PM instead of post when referring to Telle and has suspicion on him now

Everyone has a list of people they suspect could be wolves. Between all the players suspects, we have pretty much everyone except Alan included.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Just to throw this out there:
Danny - can't get a read on but something seems off

Probably sensing some frustration. Everyone is accusing just about everyone and we have virtually no objective evidence. On day one we felt strongly about Daddy and Lathum, day two Barkeep, day three Saldana. So far we have sucked.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Danny

Probably sensing some frustration. Everyone is accusing just about everyone and we have virtually no objective evidence. On day one we felt strongly about Daddy and Lathum, day two Barkeep, day three Saldana. So far we have sucked.

Don't say we... I had no strong feelings on Lathum, BK or Telle (the initial run for day 3). Saldana would have been in my list of suspects though, just not as high as oliegirl.

[RendeR]

wow, 35 pages and we're down 3 roles and 2 vanilla villagers and...well...we're basically at day 1 again.

*sigh*

I don't trust Alan, however he is the duke and everyone else basically is putting their faith in him. So I have a small CoT that I will continue to go with that is 3 people strong.

Alan, Telle, myself.

I wondering why Pass isn't getting the heat now as well. Alan are you cvouching for Passacaglia now or are you still protecting your super-secret-ninja knowledge?

Olie is definitely pinging the wolfdar.

I have no idea who to vote for at this point.

Placeholder vote for now, subject to change at any time for any valid reason:

VOTE OLIEGIRL

[Passacaglia]

How are we basically at Day 1 again?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

wow, 35 pages and we're down 3 roles and 2 vanilla villagers and...well...we're basically at day 1 again.

*sigh*

I don't trust Alan, however he is the duke and everyone else basically is putting their faith in him. So I have a small CoT that I will continue to go with that is 3 people strong.

Alan, Telle, myself.

I wondering why Pass isn't getting the heat now as well. Alan are you cvouching for Passacaglia now or are you still protecting your super-secret-ninja knowledge?

Olie is definitely pinging the wolfdar.

I have no idea who to vote for at this point.

Placeholder vote for now, subject to change at any time for any valid reason:

VOTE OLIEGIRL

No, I'm not vouching for Pass. you can read my last post I made about my thoughts on Pass. I said that because Lathum did scan him, he doesn't seem like a logical lynch choice today at least barring further information.. but I don't think anyone should put him on their cleared list yet until we know for sure which seer Lathum was.

As for your other comments, I think I've just about had it from the name calling, the swearing and the insults that you and several others have been hurling at me all game. If it is just gamesmanship and you're really a wolf, then fine.. but you can find a better way to do it then that. It really doesn't make the game much fun for me when you or LSG or whomever come out with the various comments. If you're a wolf, I would think you could find a more clever way to reach the same goal. If you're really a villager, and still have absolutely no clue to what I was attempting to do on day 1 2 or 3.. even after I explained it.. then I'm not sure what else to say. Either way you all are making this game alot less fun than it should be right about now.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

It's pretty obvious to me that mickey c just meant to say 'posts' there.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

No, I'm not vouching for Pass. you can read my last post I made about my thoughts on Pass. I said that because Lathum did scan him, he doesn't seem like a logical lynch choice today at least barring further information.. but I don't think anyone should put him on their cleared list yet until we know for sure which seer Lathum was.

As for your other comments, I think I've just about had it from the name calling, the swearing and the insults that you and several others have been hurling at me all game. If it is just gamesmanship and you're really a wolf, then fine.. but you can find a better way to do it then that. It really doesn't make the game much fun for me when you or LSG or whomever come out with the various comments. If you're a wolf, I would think you could find a more clever way to reach the same goal. If you're really a villager, and still have absolutely no clue to what I was attempting to do on day 1 2 or 3.. even after I explained it.. then I'm not sure what else to say. Either way you all are making this game alot less fun than it should be right about now.

OK first off, I apologized a LONG freaking time ago for the name calling, get over it already. yer a big boy. Stop whining about day old bread.

You took a stand in this game to play the secret agent, not me or anyone else. YOU decided HOW you were going to play this, if you don;t like the feedback you are getting DUE to the way you choose to play, don't play that way. I honestly don;t much care how you rationalize the reasons for doing so, if you can't take the reaction, don't take the action.

I'm done apologizing for my attitude the first few days, I've done that and I'm not gonna sit here and get browbeat for someting thats done and finished. Stop bringing it up and get on with your game.

When you play a cloak and dagger game, wether its for good or Ill, you're going to have people on your case. In this situation you coupled the fact that you were being elusive about the whole Pass situation AND you were trying to lynch someone that more than one of us either knew or believed to be good, those two things together created a VERY suspicious picture of you and your continued following of that caused myself at least to get realy tired of the cloak and dagger games.

Stop complaining, accept the original apology as it was heartfelt when given and continue playing the game.

If you look at my posts its pretty obvious I have NOT read your reasonings since I asked for a quick recap and then went forward. I'm sorry if my poking fun at you is so dificult to handle, but I have not called you any names today that I can see.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

It's pretty obvious to me that mickey c just meant to say 'posts' there.

I like this vote a lot...If I can't get a run on you Pass, I will follow with a vote on Claps. Wolves have been known to vote for fellow wolves when it looks like there is a runaway on somebody else.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Alan T

No, I'm not vouching for Pass. you can read my last post I made about my thoughts on Pass. I said that because Lathum did scan him, he doesn't seem like a logical lynch choice today at least barring further information.. but I don't think anyone should put him on their cleared list yet until we know for sure which seer Lathum was.

As for your other comments, I think I've just about had it from the name calling, the swearing and the insults that you and several others have been hurling at me all game. If it is just gamesmanship and you're really a wolf, then fine.. but you can find a better way to do it then that. It really doesn't make the game much fun for me when you or LSG or whomever come out with the various comments. If you're a wolf, I would think you could find a more clever way to reach the same goal. If you're really a villager, and still have absolutely no clue to what I was attempting to do on day 1 2 or 3.. even after I explained it.. then I'm not sure what else to say. Either way you all are making this game alot less fun than it should be right about now.

Alant this is for a different thread at a different time. But EVERY game I play with you, you act like a know it all and it really bothers me. And i obviously am not the only one bothered by it... When you say you are doing something for the village but some of the villagers dont agree with your decision, expect words to be said. And it doesn't make the game very fun for me when people follow you or other 'pros' for no real reason... just because of who you are, and ignore the newer players even when they have valid points.

[claphamsa]

so pass and LSG are wolves? cant say im surprised!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

so pass and LSG are wolves? cant say im surprised!

If you think so, vote for one of us. Otherwise, cut the threats.

[Chief Rum]

Lost my Internet connection all day Saturday, and I work most of the day tomorrow, so I'll try to do some catching up tomorrow night. Judging from this last page alone, I hope you guys don't all kill each other before I get back.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If you think so, vote for one of us. Otherwise, cut the threats.

well ill move my vote later if it matters. but i thhink mcoolins is the wolfiest!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

I know Render is getting heated, and you're defending your wife, I get that, but all the bickering is doing is taking away from good analysis. If we're not focused on Telle, then give us someone to look at - with good reason. We can't look at Alan, so that has to be just dropped.

Just reading back through some posts and I need to pick this paragraph out.

Thi entire statement is wrong, every piece of it. Well except the getting heated part anyway.

I was not defending "my wife" I was defending a good villager and I wasn't the only one. lathum was too and he's been shown to be good.

I had tried to give you someone to focus on, Passacaglia, but everyone was following Alan's lead and focusing on telle instead, hence my defense of her.

Don't ever assume that because someone has shown a skill or power within the game that they are necessarily on our side. Don't ever "just drop it" when there is suspicious activity that isn't being explained by a player, good bad or otherwise.

If I listened to this part of your post I'd never manage to be on a winning side in a WW game. You simply cannot treat anyone as black and white, because its been shown in the past that players of Alan's calibur (hoops, sndvls, Passacaglia, lathum and Chief too) have the ability to play up the most innocuous point to make themselves trusted.

Anyway, enough fear mongering. I just wanted to point out that paragraph so you don't think that I at least actually listened to it. I think I've explained why no one should, but YMMV.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

Render - Admittedly he over reacted to the heat on Telle - either he's just showing an abundance of good ol' fashioned "don't mess with my woman" or pershaps he's trying to pull heat off of a roled wolf (Telle is maybe the sorcerer?) and he'd rather the heat be on him? Would make sense for them to be on the same team. I haven't been on the Telle bandwagon, but maybe there is something to it.

Just to reiterate, I do not defend telle due to our marital status, she's a damned fine player all by herself, better than I am in most respects because she's got a more even temper. Please don't insinuate that I would defend her on that basis, it would be unethical to do so in game and would be detrimental to the village as a whole if I did so.

That said, I did defend her in this situation for a couple reasons. One was lathum's scan. I trusted it at the time. I can't verify it obviously, but I don't see a reason to lynch someone with a positive scan on them until other options that appear much more suspicious get dealt with.

Secondly the reasons people gave to get the run on Telle started were totally innacurate. The logic was faulty. So there was no real validation for voting for her.

[RendeR]

Ok, I think I'm as caught up as I can be at this point:

Alan, I see your explanation and I can understand it, I can only hope that you understand why its so hard for others to simply acept your word when you act like your hiding things from everyone. You created that entire situation by trying to play the coy game, it may have worked, it may not, but in the end I think it failed in general because you created more suspicion than you curtailed. For what its worth though, I see it for what it was and wish it had worked out better.

Clap: With all the flak flying around perhaps your humorous quips should be shelved for a while. I know it will kill your post whoring, but really, lets all just come back to the game itself and stick to what we can at least show some evidence of.

Pass: I don't know how you do it, but you always seem to sneak through the cracks when you're on the block. I still distrust you mightily.

ok, off for a bit. be well John Spartan.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Pass: I don't know how you do it, but you always seem to sneak through the cracks when you're on the block. I still distrust you mightily.

ok, off for a bit. be well John Spartan.

If you distrust him so much, vote for him! I dont know why he is so under the radar and why people are picking on telle or olliegirl. (admittedly Olie is high on my wolf list right now, but I feel more strongly for Pass)

[oliegirl]

OK - I'm here for now, lost internet Friday and now it's coming in and out intermitently...we'll see how long it lasts.

I was really upset on Friday when I posted that about Alan's vote count and yes, I screwed up what I said...but the point I was making is the same. If you are going to call me out on my voting record, then you have to call out everyone who voted for DT, BK and Saldana.

And Mccollins, my point was that this isn't your first game. By the time you've played 6 or 7 games, you know the basics. Plus you play over on TSW, so I'm guessing your total number of games played is higher than 6 or 7.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Don't ever assume that because someone has shown a skill or power within the game that they are necessarily on our side. Don't ever "just drop it" when there is suspicious activity that isn't being explained by a player, good bad or otherwise.

My point isn't to ignore him completely, but considering he's the only person truly in the COT at this point, I think we should seriously look at someone else. I haven't voted for Telle at all because I haven't seen a reason to. Many people are in the same boat as me and are trying to discern things for themselves, not just vote according to Alan. While he offers some good analysis he also offers a lot fof fluff that I think people know they have to dig through.

As far as the comment in my last post about you "defending you wife," that was sarcasm. At that point I didn't think that's what you were actually doing so much, but it was begining to look suspicious. Just as you don't like how Alan has latched onto something and wouldn't let it go, it seemed like you had as well.

I think this horse is not only dead, but has half decomposed and is thoroughly beaten.

Onward and upward!

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow is this the slowest day ever in WW history? I dont know if i have even voted yet, so I want to throw this out there

vote pass

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

If you distrust him so much, vote for him! I dont know why he is so under the radar and why people are picking on telle or olliegirl. (admittedly Olie is high on my wolf list right now, but I feel more strongly for Pass)

There is something about Pass that still needs figuring out, He's certainly high on my list and I could very well change my vote tomorrow. Something is just...off about him this game.


Mrs. S: I indeed got a bit carried away in my emotional state Friday but thankfully calmer heads have emerged and I think everyone can move on tomorrow =)

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

There is something about Pass that still needs figuring out, He's certainly high on my list and I could very well change my vote tomorrow. Something is just...off about him this game.


Mrs. S: I indeed got a bit carried away in my emotional state Friday but thankfully calmer heads have emerged and I think everyone can move on tomorrow =)

I'm happy to answer any questions you have, if that helps you figure me out. It'll probably have to wait until I get to work tomorrow, though.

[GoldenEagle]

I am about to work from page 36 in this thread and I will apply to some posts from there. So, don't be confused if I talk about stuff that I happened even before the last lynch.

Just like in real life, I am procrastinator in WW as well.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I totally agree with CR, SNDVLS and probably Render.... Olie and GE not so much... Saldana I dont remember AT ALL so i can't say

Gee, thanks, wife. See if I take you to New York now.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

C) GE is retarted also!

D) the wolves dont know shit about lathum, and the just figured they had a better chance of hittting DT last night!


you people really need my help

How many people are you going to call retarded this game? If we really need your help, then why you don't step up and start giving valuable opinions instead of calling everyone retarded.

[GoldenEagle]

Thanks for the birthday wishes.... and the birthday vote.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

GE, does this person trust you? Also, can you answer the question I asked you right before deadline?

I am not sure if this person trusts me or not. As far as the question goes right before the deadline, I really don't see what happened to make yo change your mind. But I think we should go a different direction now, getting away from telle for the time being.

I still thought you were going to stick with Telle to the end. But in my mind you are fairly clear because if your vote change to saldana. If you and Telle were wolves together, you would have left your vote on Telle to avoid suspicion since at that point, it was not really close.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You original theory was that both Telle and I were wolves, right?

What's the difference between Telle and I in your current theory?

See my post above. The question was about clearing you my original theory. My original theory had nothing to do with you and only involved Telle.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

GE's post about 2:30 today said that killing Saldana wouldn't prove anything and that we should have lynched Telle, yet after we lynched another villager, he decides that voting for me is the right thing to do???? And furthermore, he says that "someone he trusts" has identified me as someone to vote for, and that he will "explain more" once he is caught up...but then he changes his tune and says he doesn't want to give anything away, even though supposedly all this information is already out there???

Do you really want a valuable piece of information thrown out into the open? You do if you are a wolf. This post makes very little sense and I think you are just spinning away.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

And what if Telle is a wolf (don't think she is at this point) and the wolves planned this to make us think that she's clear? I'm just saying that jumping to assumptions/conclusions at this point is ridiculous...we are not in a position to assume anything based on what the wolves do. If we start doing that, we have NO chance of winning this game.

What?