WW Amazing Race - Game Over (Moles Win & Team Reebok Wins)

[Autumn]

Yes!

[Danny]

This should mean there were in fact 5 wolves, and now the cunning and brutal remain.

[Autumn]

Well, we don't know if the brutal or the cunning are in the game. Or how many wolves we have left.

[hoopsguy]

Good work, Danny + CrimsonFox

I feel better about some other players as well (hi, Autumn!) but will leave that alone for now until we see the night kill posted.

[Autumn]

Sorry, Danny, posted at the same time. But do we know all roles are in the game?

[Passacaglia]

Nice!

[Autumn]

Yes, Hoops, the best part about catching one is you can start trusting some people.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

One note - if JAG is a wolf (not cunning) and GE is not the night kill I wouldn't completely let GE off the hook. He had a high pressure vote early and then reversed it late. But it might have been a "we can't have you on mckerney if JAG does get lynched" play, as they sacrifice a knight to keep the queen (so to speak) on the board and moving freely.

Too bad it's a poor percentage play.

[cougarfreak]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

One note - if JAG is a wolf (not cunning) and GE is not the night kill I wouldn't completely let GE off the hook. He had a high pressure vote early and then reversed it late. But it might have been a "we can't have you on mckerney if JAG does get lynched" play, as they sacrifice a knight to keep the queen (so to speak) on the board and moving freely.

I had actually thought of that as well. I'm looking Pass, GE, and PF tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, we don't know if the brutal or the cunning are in the game. Or how many wolves we have left.

Two of the three villager roles have been in the game (no duke yet) ... I like the chances of both those guys still being in this game.

[Danny]

Another point of strategy, we now know the last two wolves are brutal and cunning. If the sponder and rob wannabee are in the game they would have to be villagers right? May be time for them to use their abilities and prove they are villagers and give us some sort of circle of trust.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Too bad it's a poor percentage play.

It probably still is, but those percentages start moving up when you have fewer players and more trusted villager remaining.

[Autumn]

Danny, those roles can be Wolf roles too.

[Danny]

I don't see a line in the rules saying the roles may or may not be in the game. As far as I can tell, it seems to indicate that all roles are in fact in the game.

[Autumn]

I tend to agree, there had to be a wolf on McKerney besides JAG, I think. After NTN flopped that would leave it between Chief and GE for the village to choose between. Maybe they're both wolves, so GE flopped.

Frankly, I think there's a lot of people who could still be suspect.

[EagleFan]

Correction, JAG is still in the Race, but out of WW. Got his race team mixed up in my head when I said that.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Danny, those roles can be Wolf roles too.

But if there is in fact a cunning and a brutal then both those roles have to be villagers. There is only two wolves left and two wolf roles.

[Autumn]

You're assuming that wolf roles and race roles can't overlap. I'm not sure that's true. Do we know that?

[GoldenEagle]

I think ntn is where we should start tomorrow. I know I have been on him all game. Since we got one back today, we can afford to take somewhat of a risk.

I know I will be around tomorrow since the hoops and other basically ensured I will not be the night kill.

[EagleFan]

As you gather later you notice yet another person wearing one of those T-shirts.

Autumn has been talked down by the moles.

Autumn was a vanilla villager and he was also The Sponsor.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Danny, those roles can be Wolf roles too.

Only if:
1.) There were six starting wolves
2.) Multi-roles are allowed (cunning sponsor)
3.) Either brutal or cunning are not in game

I think it is pretty likely that the Sponsor and/or Wannabe roles would be villagers. Maybe not a slam dunk, but a decent chance. I also like that the idea is coming from a cleared (non-voting) player in Danny rather than someone who might have an ulterior motive in suggesting this.

[Danny]

Right now I am guessing the last two wolves are Pass and GE.

[Autumn]

And for what it's worth, the village roles say that not all of them may be in the game. It doesn't say the same for the wolves. I don't want us to rest too hard on any assumptions.

It's interesting that GE pointed out that the brutal is still in the game at lynch though. Didn't mention the cunning.

[Danny]

And now with Autumns death, we see some evidence supporting that. I'd feel good about the other wanabee being a villager as well.

[EagleFan]

JAG and Autumn are still in the race in their teams but have lost their remaining effort points.

[Autumn]

Well, and that's that. I will now haunt you, Obi Wan style.

And also beat you in the race.

[Danny]

I am glad you are still in the race and can contribute.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I think ntn is where we should start tomorrow. I know I have been on him all game. Since we got one back today, we can afford to take somewhat of a risk.

I know I will be around tomorrow since the hoops and other basically ensured I will not be the night kill.

You were correct, but I didn't post my thoughts on your continued suspect nature until four minutes after the deadline. So I had no bearing on their decision, unless you know something I don't

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I tend to agree, there had to be a wolf on McKerney besides JAG, I think. After NTN flopped that would leave it between Chief and GE for the village to choose between. Maybe they're both wolves, so GE flopped.

Frankly, I think there's a lot of people who could still be suspect.

I agree with this, and I think there was one in the first three votes on me. JAG was who I was planning to vote for on the start today, but with three votes on him early I was afraid if there was a 4th they would decide to cut their losses and we'd have another runaway vote today. I decided to wait until a move on someone else was made, which happened to be me but thankfully we were able to turn the vote back towards JAG.

[Passacaglia]

I think the biggest reveal we need tomo is the duke. Although, there's probably no reason for the duke to reveal until the end, right? I guess unless he's getting a lot of votes, since we want people to make meaningful votes for people other than him? Maybe my head will be clearer on that in the morning.

[Danny]

Autumn and I am not saying we simply believe a reveal as wannabee, but if someone shows evidence they have one of those two roles, I think they are definitely a villager.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Autumn

And for what it's worth, the village roles say that not all of them may be in the game. It doesn't say the same for the wolves. I don't want us to rest too hard on any assumptions.

It's interesting that GE pointed out that the brutal is still in the game at lynch though. Didn't mention the cunning.

I said that because the cunning, at this point, can't hurt us. The seer has been dead for awhile now. The brutal is the only role remaining that will really hurt the village.

[EagleFan]

Race Standings
1st - Team Five
2nd - Team Fembot (+0:45)
3rd - Team Reebok (+1:05)
4th - Team Four (+2:50)
5th - Team Six (+5:10)

[Danny]

The duke should not reveal for no reason.

[PackerFanatic]

Well done everyone! Sorry again for not being around...stupid training at work has taken more of my time that I expected recently (hence my being fairly quiet for most of the game). Plus I was admittedly putting more into the race portion of the game early, not that it helped at all in the end, heh.

[hoopsguy]

The Greek chorus aspect of this game is going to be interesting tomorrow Already was today, but now throw in the cleared Autumn ... woo boy.

[EagleFan]

The deadlines will remain for tomorrow but I will probably not get to post the results until sometime after midnight EST.

Will be posting the next leg information shortly

[Danny]

I think we have to move both Hoops and Mckerney up the trust list.

[Autumn]

I wouldn't forget Chief either. He was hesitant to vote Pass or JAG today, waiting until late to add McKerney to the mix.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Danny

The duke should not reveal for no reason.

If you mean what I think you mean, that makes sense -- yes, there should be a reason.

[Autumn]

Yes, I agree. I think a vote for Hoops now is crazy. And if McKerney proves a wolf after his moves on Mauboy and then JAG, more power to him.

NTN made a move, but under pressure. Golden Eagle at least could have just not showed up, I wasn't expecting him to, but again was under a lot of pressure, if he was a wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The Greek chorus aspect of this game is going to be interesting tomorrow Already was today, but now throw in the cleared Autumn ... woo boy.

What? Is this something from the race, and if so, does it apply to the WW part of the game?

[Autumn]

I can't believe that despite making Hoopsguy throw up jerk chicken, my team's still an hour behind.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What? Is this something from the race, and if so, does it apply to the WW part of the game?

We are all going to sing for you tomorrow, Pass. Didn't you read the rules?

[Danny]

Right now Pass is the player who really sticks out. If we did lynch him and he turned out to be the brutal, I think really moves up GoldenEagle. I still don't think we lynch GE unless only the cunning is left.

[Danny]

If we lynched Pass and he turned out to be the cunning, we could clear GE.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure if we're so much a Greek chorus as backseat drivers.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Danny

I still don't think we lynch GE unless only the cunning is left.

There's the Danny I know! Thought I lost you for a while there!

[Danny]

Oh and NTN's switch today was key. If that doesn't happen, I think Mckerney gets lynched. I've always been leaning towards him being a villager, but I think even more so now. I don't think he does those switches as a wolf. He either sticks with JAG to buy trust or sticks with Mckerney to try and lynch a villager.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Yes, I agree. I think a vote for Hoops now is crazy. And if McKerney proves a wolf after his moves on Mauboy and then JAG, more power to him.

NTN made a move, but under pressure. Golden Eagle at least could have just not showed up, I wasn't expecting him to, but again was under a lot of pressure, if he was a wolf.

Stop saying stuff like that ... what, are you trying to get my night-killed????