Official 2010-11 College Basketball Thread

[molson]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Most leaks don't come from people within the athletic department, but rather the boosters that invest millions into the program so that they can know what's going on at all times. These are the people that typically talk to friends, ect about what's being discussed and what deals are in the works.

I'm not justifying it in any way. Just stating what I've seen.

True, but I have a feeling that a lot of those boosters aren't quite as connected as they think they are, and their info isn't necessarily real time. There's a lot of incentive for the athletic department to make those people feel important.

And I'm curious (not asking you specifically, just asking out loud) - what are the connected Missouri boosters saying on the message boards after their info is revealed to be wrong? Do they explain it away or do they admit they're not really that "inside".

[Logan]

Originally Posted by molson

True, but I have a feeling that a lot of those boosters aren't quite as connected as they think they are, and their info isn't necessarily real time. There's a lot of incentive for the athletic department to make those people feel important.

And it's why many times, there really is no one wrong...because the person they heard from heard from a person who was being lied to/sold a bill of goods. I don't doubt MBBF heard from an important person at/connected with Mizzou that Anderson "had zero (ZERO) interest in the job". It's why it's so easy to make the "MBBF must be Mike Anderson" joke because the rest of us realize that you can never be sure in any situation like this. People say things like "I know this first hand...". No you don't.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by molson

And I'm curious (not asking you specifically, just asking out loud) - what are the connected Missouri boosters saying on the message boards after their info is revealed to be wrong? Do they explain it away or do they admit they're not really that "inside".

From what I can tell, Anderson agreed to the Missouri contract. It was sent to the Board of Curators for approval. What Missouri people didn't know was that Anderson was talking to Arkansas despite no written approval from the University of Missouri (which was required by his most recent extension).

Anderson is actually in breach of his current contract due to that action. Whether Mizzou follows through with action against him is still up in the air. My guess is that they won't do so for fear they might scare off any potential coaches. They're best off taking the high road and staying out of the mud.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Most leaks don't come from people within the athletic department

I suspect that may be one of those things that varies from program to program too.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

From what I can tell, Anderson agreed to the Missouri contract. It was sent to the Board of Curators for approval. What Missouri people didn't know was that Anderson was talking to Arkansas despite no written approval from the University of Missouri (which was required by his most recent extension).

Anderson is actually in breach of his current contract due to that action. Whether Mizzou follows through with action against him is still up in the air. My guess is that they won't do so for fear they might scare off any potential coaches. They're best off taking the high road and staying out of the mud.

I was waiting for Missouri is taking the highroad angle

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

He was the greatest coach until he decided to leave.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I was waiting for Missouri is taking the highroad angle

You think that MU should pursue a breach of contract action when they're getting ready to hire a new coach?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

He was the greatest coach until he decided to leave.

Link?

He's a good coach who decided that a $700K raise after a .500 season at his current school was too much to pass up. More power to him.

Right now, he's trying to explain to those young men at Mizzou how a move to Arkansas fits into the 'family' and 'I'm going to retire at Mizzou' lines that he's used previously. They're likely not buying what he's selling.

[MrBug708]

We love Mike Anderson, until we don't

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by molson

Maybe I'm just overestimating people.

Yes, you probably are.

Also, they're overestimating people. Most of them don't leak directly to the boards, media, etc. but they, like most of the rest of us I believe, tell an immediate family member or a close friend or whatever. From there, shit is on like donkey kong. At some point it turns into my cousin's-hairdressers-boyfriends-aunt-knows-a-guy ... but it doesn't start out that far down the line, in other words, it doesn't always lack credibility.

For example, I've gotten a couple of things, quite innocently enough really, just in fairly casual conversation with a friend. His connection is having someone very close to him that is very deep inside UGA athletics, a person that I'm very confident says them without a second thought. No malice, no hidden agenda, just making conversation ... but it never crosses his mind that the story will go any farther.

Legit source --> confidant ---> confidant ---> ondowntheline

I don't think I've used any of the (relatively minor) stuff here, certainly haven't used it on anywhere outside of here, because I don't want to risk burning a friend on something that I don't particularly give a shit about but could damage the relationship he has with the origin. Doesn't make me a saint, just means I don't have much ego invested in that kind of thing. Some people do.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Wow. Release occurs before players at Mizzou are even told he's leaving. Classless.

Anderson named head coach - University of Arkansas Athletics

[Logan]

No, not classless. Normal college sports. WTF does Arkansas owe to Missouri to wait on the news when everyone and their mother knows it's done?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

No, not classless. Normal college sports. WTF does Arkansas owe to Missouri to wait on the news when everyone and their mother knows it's done?

They couldn't wait two hours until the MU presser at 9:00 PM? Or until 8:00 PM after the players meeting?

It's classless even with a weak justification

[Logan]

I'm sure now the Mizzou players are REALLY mad after checking arkansasrazorbacks.com it's surely bookmarked on their iphones.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm sure now the Mizzou players are REALLY mad after checking arkansasrazorbacks.com it's surely bookmarked on their iphones.

Which, of course, isn't the point. I'm a bit surprised at Anderson's handling of this situation. It has obviously changed the perception of him amongst the fan base.

With that said, it's probably best he's moving on. The scrutiny of him after this latest saga would have been intense and possibly distracting. Best to move on and avoid all that.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Which, of course, isn't the point. I'm a bit surprised at Anderson's handling of this situation. It has obviously changed the perception of him amongst the fan base.

What do you think I meant by "normal college sports"? You put the guy on a pedestal and are shocked when he's not the live-and-die by the program type. Very, very few are. How about we get told again how he would never leave his best friend's sons?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

What do you think I meant by "normal college sports"? You put the guy on a pedestal and are shocked when he's not the live-and-die by the program type. Very, very few are. How about we get told again how he would never leave his best friend's sons?

Not only that, but his other friend is Lawrence Bowers' father. LB is pretty pissed right now and I'm sure his father is not pleased. He left a lot of people hanging. This isn't 'normal', even for college athletics. No one would have cared that he wanted to go to UA if it had been handled the right way. Instead, it played out like a Univision soap opera.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

8:00 PM after the players meeting?

what

"As Anderson met with his Missouri players during a 7 p.m. team meeting in Columbia, Arkansas officials announced the hire.

Read more: It's official: Anderson to leave Tigers for Arkansas | Campus Corner"

You said yourself it was set for 7:00 pm earlier in the thread. Don't think that was posted until well after 7:00. I heard them announce that it was just released while listening to the 4th inning or so of the Arkansas baseball game that started at about 6:40.


edit to add: "
OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE FROM UNIVERSITY
« on: Today at 07:26:17 PM »"

[MrBug708]

I've yet to see anything that isn't SOP for a college coach leaving to go to another program. (RichRod to Michigan as an exemption)

[jbergey22]

Its like a 7 step program for MBBF. First step was denial. Now appears to be in the anger stage.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I've yet to see anything that isn't SOP for a college coach leaving to go to another program. (RichRod to Michigan as an exemption)

Interesting you bring up RR. He's the precedent for the breach of contract action if Mizzou wanted to take that route.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Interesting you bring up RR. He's the precedent for the breach of contract action if Mizzou wanted to take that route.

You certainly are heavily discounting the fact that maybe Missouri was asked permission to speak with Anderson and that maybe...*ahem*...your sources are incorrect?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I've yet to see anything that isn't SOP for a college coach leaving to go to another program.

Seems pretty normal to me to frankly.

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Interesting you bring up RR. He's the precedent for the breach of contract action if Mizzou wanted to take that route.

Do you mean RR trying to get out of his buyout at WVU? He was actually trying to prove that the school was in breach of his contract as a way to get out of paying WVU $4 million dollars in buyout money, and his case was all but literally laughed out of court on the way to his paying every penny.

I don't see that having much relation to anything Anderson has done, unless you're suggesting he's trying to wiggle out of paying a buyout.

[mckerney]

Only one choice for Missouri, bring back Quin Snyder!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

You certainly are heavily discounting the fact that maybe Missouri was asked permission to speak with Anderson and that maybe...*ahem*...your sources are incorrect?

It's become pretty clear at this point that discussion occurred before it was requested. Anyone who assumes otherwise hasn't been watching this situation unfold, even just in this thread. In hindsight, it appears MJ4H and I were both giving the MU and UA sides pretty accurately. It's also obvious that the MU side was totally left out of the loop and made a false assumption that Anderson and UA would follow the contract stipulations.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Only one choice for Missouri, bring back Quin Snyder!

Someone mentioned that Josh Pastner (sp?) is the Quin Snyder hire of this round. Certainly has the hair.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

We love Mike Anderson, until we don't

I thought he was a fantastic coach and will be sad to see him go. I also won't pile saying he has no ethics or that he is a piece of shit for leaving the kids because I am certain within days we will have a coach in mind that will do the same thing do whatever college he is coaching at right now. (I saw how ridiculous this was a few years back when some of my KU coworkers wanted to string up Roy Williams but didn't think Bill Self was doing the same thing to his Iliini players) I do think it is pretty low what he did to his best friends kids but maybe they will transfer with him and if not he might have one less friend.

As far as eating crow I will just say MJ4H appears to have been right and leave it at that. The PM I receieved basically implied that I can't have an opinion on the matter even though I have been a member here for close to 10 years. (like I said earlier the PM was not from MJ4H either just to make sure its understood that he is in the clear)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

Do you mean RR trying to get out of his buyout at WVU? He was actually trying to prove that the school was in breach of his contract as a way to get out of paying WVU $4 million dollars in buyout money, and his case was all but literally laughed out of court on the way to his paying every penny.

I don't see that having much relation to anything Anderson has done, unless you're suggesting he's trying to wiggle out of paying a buyout.

It's the same law, though the difference would be that Mizzou would seek restitution in addition to the buyout due to the fact that negotiations occurred without written permission being obtained as required.

But as I said earlier, I just don't see Mizzou doing that. No coach wants to go somewhere that they feel they might be held under a gun to be loyal to that program.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's become pretty clear at this point that discussion occurred before it was requested. Anyone who assumes otherwise hasn't been watching this situation unfold, even just in this thread. In hindsight, it appears MJ4H and I were both giving the MU and UA sides pretty accurately. It's also obvious that the MU side was totally left out of the loop and made a false assumption that Anderson and UA would follow the contract stipulations.

Seems like if it was the Agent doing the negotiation, that would be an easy round-about way of this.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's also obvious that the MU side was totally left out of the loop and made a false assumption that Anderson and UA would follow the contract stipulations.

Does anybody actually follow those? I mean, as anything more than a matter of form. Agents, 3rd parties, whatever, there's plenty of cutouts between institutions & coaches themselves and I figure those are the usual methods in the vast majority of situations.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Seems like if it was the Agent doing the negotiation, that would be an easy round-about way of this.

Contract includes that any 'proxy' is included in that, so no, it's not a way around it.

MU press conference starting at 9:00 PM.

Streaming Newscast

[RedKingGold]

I wish we could just boot MBBF from FOFC forever, however, he's just too much damn fun.

[RedKingGold]

Oh, and MBBF is now an expert in contract law.

Good to know!

[duckman]

MBBF is going to sprain an ankle with all his backpedaling.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by duckman

MBBF is going to sprain an ankle with all his backpedaling.

I haven't done anything of the sort, but don't let that stop you. Mizzou got played. We'll move forward and be just fine. The Anderson situation likely was unworkable after the antics over the past few days.

[the_meanstrosity]

Good luck with your hire MJ4H. It will be interesting to see how Anderson does in the SEC. I wasn't too impressed with his work in the Big 12, but it may be easier to recruit athletic big men to Arkansas than it was to Missouri.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Someone mentioned that Josh Pastner (sp?) is the Quin Snyder hire of this round. Certainly has the hair.

I just want someone to hire Quin Snyder and his hair again.

[digamma]

Wow. This became even more hilarious in the time I got home from work.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's become pretty clear at this point that discussion occurred before it was requested. Anyone who assumes otherwise hasn't been watching this situation unfold, even just in this thread. In hindsight, it appears MJ4H and I were both giving the MU and UA sides pretty accurately. It's also obvious that the MU side was totally left out of the loop and made a false assumption that Anderson and UA would follow the contract stipulations.

Are you kidding me?

i'll just say this and leave it at that:

If the Missouri brass honestly didn't feel that there was a chance Anderson would leave after he didn't immediatly distance himself from the Arkansas job, even after the contract extension was granted, they are an office of fools.

[Crapshoot]

This thread is awesome. Has anyone realized what MBBF's previous job entailed?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Are you kidding me?

i'll just say this and leave it at that:

If the Missouri brass honestly didn't feel that there was a chance Anderson would leave after he didn't immediatly distance himself from the Arkansas job, even after the contract extension was granted, they are an office of fools.

The MU AD laid out the situation pretty clearly. MU gave Anderson space during the day or two leading up to the funeral as requested. He didn't even consider requesting permission to talk to UA until late last night. It literally took less than 12 hours to go from interested to signing with UA.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The MU AD laid out the situation pretty clearly. MU gave Anderson space during the day or two leading up to the funeral as requested. He didn't even consider requesting permission to talk to UA until late last night. It literally took less than 12 hours to go from interested to signing with UA.

Pretty sure he's been interested in the Arkansas job for a while

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by LloydLungs

And to think UNO's epic Division II coach search hasn't even started yet. We're going to be completely impossible to deal with then.

Any fans from the Colorado School of Mines on here? We want y'all's guy. Let's get this shit started.

[JonInMiddleGA]

FWIW ... Tennessee said to have a short list of five targets, according to a source inside the UT athletic department.
The five coaches that were at the top of UT's list after Bruce Pearl was fired on Monday are Pittsburgh coach Jamie Dixon, Villanova coach Jay Wright, Alabama coach Anthony Grant, Texas A&M coach Mark Turgeon and Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall. ... Two other coaches interested in the job are Oakland coach Greg Kampe and Belmont coach Rick Byrd. At this time, there's no indication UT has shown interest in either.
Five coaches targeted to replace Pearl; two others interested » GoVolsXtra

[MrBug708]

I can't imagine Jay Wright and Jaime Dixon leaves their current school

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I can't imagine Jay Wright and Jaime Dixon leaves their current school

{shrug} Costs relatively little for UT to ask, especially if Marshall is the actual expected hire (which is my own suspicion).

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

From what I can tell, Anderson agreed to the Missouri contract. It was sent to the Board of Curators for approval. What Missouri people didn't know was that Anderson was talking to Arkansas despite no written approval from the University of Missouri (which was required by his most recent extension).

Anderson is actually in breach of his current contract due to that action. Whether Mizzou follows through with action against him is still up in the air. My guess is that they won't do so for fear they might scare off any potential coaches. They're best off taking the high road and staying out of the mud.

As another mizzou fan on this board, let me address these two issues. First and foremost, mizzou wouldn't be able to offer anderson any extension until AFTER the board of curators approve the offer. So agreeing to something that from what I have heard was never officially offered is tough to do. And all the mizzou stuff I read has said the approval from the board was never made public/official(maybe it has been today, it wasn't yesterday). So he certainly didn't break his word there.

As for the breach of contract, what evidence do you have that he breached his contract? Arkansas requested to speak to him, it looks like it was granted, and they knocked out a deal. No matter what back-office deals you suspect(and being honest likely happened) between Anderson's agents and Arkansas, these agents know the rules and wont break them. No need to, there are enough loopholes.

Now Anderson saying a week ago he wanted to retire here looks bad now, but in all honesty after his open flirtations the past two years, and his past with Arkansas, I knew this was coming. If Arkansas offered, he was going to accept. I wasn't sure they would after the Richardson mess, but they were always the elephant in the room with Anderson. Am i happy he moved, no. But were in a MUCH better position then when Anderson got here, with a heavy upper-class ratio meaning a new coach can mold his own roster pretty quickly. Were not Kansas, but were a solid squad who can attract a good coach. Knowing our AD and all of his hires in the athletic department, it will be an mid-major coach who has had success. He really hasn't had a misfire in almost a decade, so lets look to the future and wish Arkansas and Anderson the best of wishes. At the end of the day were better off for having Anderson while we did, and that's life.

[Ragone]

lets be honest here... Arkansas was Anderson's dream job.. who among us wouldn't leave whatever job we are doing now for their "dream job". Most if not all of us would do whatever that took.. including forsaking our previous employer.

Was it dirty dealings? probably.. is it business as usual in the ncaa? defintely

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

{shrug} Costs relatively little for UT to ask, especially if Marshall is the actual expected hire (which is my own suspicion).

Marshall's Winthrop teams dominated the Big South, and looks like he's contined to do well at Wichita State, so may be a good fit for Tennessee if he can handle the big stage.