Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I could possibly see that you are sympathetic to the Olympians, but your victory condition is the same: eliminate us.

No, your victory condition calls for you to kill me, because I count as a Titan. I, however, win with the Olympians.

[Neon_Chaos]

Chief, can you give us a rundown of all the roles revealed to you, then?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Apollo, can you identify monster as well with your ability?

Oh, so now I'm Apollo? Guess you'll be voting for Lathum then, right?

Anyhow, yes. I can identify Olympian, Titan, Monster, or Human.

Also, looking back at Telle's scan results, that night somebody did something to make me sick and it wasn't Telle. Anyone want to take credit for that?

[Abe Sargent]

BTW - I am backing CR 100% on his reveal, and he is now fully trusted. I pushed him just in case, but my pm cam back sayign that it wasn;t sure if it worked or not. NEver gotten that before - it was either a failure apm with hoops when he was missing or nothing, so I assumed it didnt know, but because of the wording I did not want to just jump out.

Therefore I have CR in my absolute CoT right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm confused!!

so racer is a titan, chief rum is a good titan...lathum is a titan, anxiety is a titan?

that doesn't all add up

[Neon_Chaos]

Anxiety, are we agreed that we take care of Lathum today, and Racer the next?

[Abe Sargent]

Im not a titan, Im Ares

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, especially if I can get a bg reveal.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

DaddyT, Telle, we need to be united on this.

Telle, what did your role reveal to you tonight?

I learned a role that is in the game. I don't want to say it yet so that I can vouch for the person when/if he eventually reveals.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

No, your victory condition calls for you to kill me, because I count as a Titan. I, however, win with the Olympians.

Strange that wasn't in the rules. Not debating it, but just strange.

[Abe Sargent]

Although I have my doubts, I only trusted Lathum through someone else, not primarily, and the final piece with CR slid into place, and if right, brings us the final bad guy.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

CR, your power sucks if that is true. What's the point of using more APs towards your power?

You don't think catching people in lies about their reveals is a good ability?

I have one other ability, but, I'm not sure why ANxiety thinks I had the choice to use it. It's a one time use, and I wasn't electing to use it tonight. Basically, Anxiety usurped my power tonight and focused it on hoops' role.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm confused!!

so racer is a titan, chief rum is a good titan...lathum is a titan, anxiety is a titan?

that doesn't all add up

Chief Rum is apparently a good titan, and says that Racer lied.

RA says that Lathum is a titan as well.

Anxiety is not a titan, not by any account I've seen.

I actually envisioned the situation between ar and Racer being both Titans, and were just fucking with us. Come to think of it, it is VERY plausible.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Lathum

This will be just one AP so I can send a BG to guard Apollo at 4 AP strength.

[Raiders Army]

I'm punching out. Fun night after the lynch. I enjoyed it a lot.

[Neon_Chaos]

I meant ae and racer.

[Abe Sargent]

Busy Friday night. Anybody need anything before I retire?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Strange that wasn't in the rules. Not debating it, but just strange.

Actually, if you look in the Titans section, you will see that the good Titans are on the side of the Olympians. It actually says several, but to my knowledge thus far, I am the only "good" Titan.

I actually assumed the I need to die thing for Olympians because you guys have to kill all Titans, don't you? Don't I count for the Titans in a 1:1? That was the impression I had. But you know your victory conditions better than I.

[Abe Sargent]

CR, as Ares, let me say that I'd want to take out the bad guys first. Then, of the game hasn;t ended, we'll figure it out from there, alright? For now, just stick tight.

[Telle]

Are people seriously buying this story from Chief Rum?? Seems much more plausible to me that he's either Medusa or a Titan as Anxiety first thought, and is now trying to cover his ass.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Telle

Are people seriously buying this story from Chief Rum?? Seems much more plausible to me that he's either Medusa or a Titan as Anxiety first thought, and is now trying to cover his ass.

Actually Telle you should listen to me. You're someone I had a lot of questions about yesterday, and I queried your role, and it did come up. So I believe you are who you say you are (since no one has countered your reveal).

[Chief Rum]

I am writing up the roles I have queried and why. I know people will want to know that. Gimme a sec.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Actually Telle you should listen to me. You're someone I had a lot of questions about yesterday, and I queried your role, and it did come up. So I believe you are who you say you are (since no one has countered your reveal).

Actually, I mean two days ago when I say yesterday, Day Three. Technically, I guess "yesterday" is now Day Four.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Actually Telle you should listen to me. You're someone I had a lot of questions about yesterday, and I queried your role, and it did come up. So I believe you are who you say you are (since no one has countered your reveal).

You can butter me up all you want but I'm still not buying it. It's just all too convenient for my taste. And THREE people targeted the same person last night?? And of course by the time you showed up to respond to allegations you already knew that Hoops was Hades because we were told that in the write-up. You're bringing nothing new here.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Chief, can you give us a rundown of all the roles revealed to you, then?

Sorry, missed this. Yes, I can.

On Day One, I decided it was most important to see what Titans were in the game. I actually assumed Cronus was in the game, so I didn't query him. Turned out to be smart because path died that day anyway.

I queried the next four on Alan's list on page one: Coeus, Crius, Hyperion and Atlas. All but Crius came back positive. I only used 1 AP on my vote.

I figured there were four Titans, so seeing path come up Cronus means the three remaining Titans were Coeus, Hyperion and Atlas.

On Day Two, I attempted four queries again, but got nothing back because of King Triton. For some reason, him showing up blew my action points all to hell.

On Day Three, I queried Achilles, Ares, Hephaestus and Asclepius, all some of the reveals that had happened. All came back positive, which means I had new trust in those players claiming those roles, so long as they weren't countered.

On Day Four, tonight, most of my role requests were usurped to query hoops' role. I only had one point left, and Alan used it on the first role I listed: Odysseus.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Telle

You can butter me up all you want but I'm still not buying it. It's just all too convenient for my taste. And THREE people targeted the same person last night?? And of course by the time you showed up to respond to allegations you already knew that Hoops was Hades because we were told that in the write-up. You're bringing nothing new here.

I didn't target hoops. I was "forced" to target Hades.

I would guess that Medusa and the remaining Titans did not (and likely still do not) know who each other are and are not in communication, because I don't see why they would both focus on the same target.

[Neon_Chaos]

Just remember, let's not get sidetracked by this discussion.

It's an RA/Lathum vote day.

We will deal with CR when we're done with this.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Telle

You can butter me up all you want but I'm still not buying it. It's just all too convenient for my taste. And THREE people targeted the same person last night?? And of course by the time you showed up to respond to allegations you already knew that Hoops was Hades because we were told that in the write-up. You're bringing nothing new here.

Telle, out most pressing agenda is RA's reveal that Lathum is a Titan.

Granted, noone has come out as an alternative BG yet.

We need to concentrate on this. Chief Rum's innocence, or lack thereof will be dealt with after we resolve the first.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Telle, out most pressing agenda is RA's reveal that Lathum is a Titan.

Granted, noone has come out as an alternative BG yet.

We need to concentrate on this. Chief Rum's innocence, or lack thereof will be dealt with after we resolve the first.

Yeah yeah.. I know. Just my bullshit meter went off the map when he started in on his story and I was shocked that everyone else seemed to be just nodding along with him.

But back to the matter at hand..
VOTE LATHUM

[Neon_Chaos]

CR, are you willing to participate in the Lathum/RA showdown?

[Chief Rum]

Well, FWIW, given questions about me, my role indicates Achilles--Lathum's claimed role--is in the game, and no one has countered yet. I don't get WW role info, though--so can't confirm if Achilles is the BG.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

CR, are you willing to participate in the Lathum/RA showdown?

Yes, but I haven't decided which way to go. As I just posted above, I have received information that Achilles is in the game. I have not queried Apollo, but I believe Raiders Army is Apollo. Start with that fact: Achilles is in the game. Probable fact (assuming RA is on the up and up), Lathum is a Titan. Achilles =! Titan, ergo Lathum cannot be Achilles.

But my information says Achilles is in the game, and Lathum claimed that role days ago. Why hasn't someone come out against him if he isn't Achilles?

So right now, I am actually awfully confused.

[Telle]

Lathum didn't say he was Achilles.. he said he's Heracles.

[Neon_Chaos]

Lathum claimed to be Heracles, CR.

[Chief Rum]

Woah, really? Did I F that up that badly? I thought he said Heracles.

Well, then, Achilles is in the game. Heracles I don't have a clue about. So Lathum could be lying after all, far as I know.

[Chief Rum]

I mean I thought he said Achilles. ARGH!

Sorry for the confusion. I have had roles coming out of my ears, what with my ability and all of the reveals we have had.

[Chief Rum]

I only read Lathum's reveal once, smack in the middle of trying to catch up earlier this week. Achilles was always more of a natural BG in my mind, I think, and I don't know much about Heracles, so I think my mind made the switch by the time I came back to thinking about what roles to go after.

I tried to find out if Achilles was in the game on Day Two, and when King Triton screwed me over, I tried again on Day Three.

[Neon_Chaos]

Anyway...

Let's not get sidetracked with Chief's reveal. We will deal with him when the time comes.

RA has accused Lathum of being a Titan. So either RA is lying, or Lathum tried to pull the wool over our eyes.

I am out.

[Chief Rum]

In that case, BTW, my quandary is resolved. There is no conflict now with RA's story, and I have no reason to doubt him. So barring some compelling reveal, I would join in a Lathum vote.

VOTE LATHUM

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I only read Lathum's reveal once, smack in the middle of trying to catch up earlier this week. Achilles was always more of a natural BG in my mind, I think, and I don't know much about Heracles, so I think my mind made the switch by the time I came back to thinking about what roles to go after.

I tried to find out if Achilles was in the game on Day Two, and when King Triton screwed me over, I tried again on Day Three.

Kinda funny that King Triton had such an affect on you... seeing as how he's supposed to affect the Gigantes but you said you're one of the Hecatonchires.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Telle

Kinda funny that King Triton had such an affect on you... seeing as how he's supposed to affect the Gigantes but you said you're one of the Hecatonchires.

How do you know that about Triton and Gigantes? I didn't see anything in the rules. I don't know anything about Triton. I just know I had action points that night, and his arrival kaboshed them. If you look after that night's deadline, I was very curious what everyone thought about Triton. That was the reason why. He totally screwed over my night actions.

BTW, Gigantes are very similar to Hecatonchires in where they come from and who they are. So if what you say is true about Triton, I can't think it's such a stretch that his arrival would affect me.

[Telle]

I meant that Greek mythology talks about Triton's conch shell being used against the Gigantes. Through a bit of googling I saw Triton and Gigantes mentioned together quite often.. but didn't see any mention of Hacatonchires with Triton.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Telle

I meant that Greek mythology talks about Triton's conch shell being used against the Gigantes. Through a bit of googling I saw Triton and Gigantes mentioned together quite often.. but didn't see any mention of Hacatonchires with Triton.

Ah, well that's out of my element. I briefly looked up all of the groups Alan put in his post, but only really focused on the Hecatonchires after I got my role. I read enough to know the Gigantes are Tritons who more or less come from the same place as the Hecatonchires, but unlike the latter, they went against the Olympians.

[Telle]

Well, I realize that I'm beating a horse that nobody else really cares about at the moment.. so I think it's time for me to head off to bed.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Telle

Well, I realize that I'm beating a horse that nobody else really cares about at the moment.. so I think it's time for me to head off to bed.

I'm okay with your suspicions. If I were you, I would think it a stretch, too. But I have no way of proving it any further. Well, except if we lynch Racer and he turns up a Titan, I suppose.

[Chief Rum]

Alan HAS been known to come up with some pretty kookie roles, BTW.

And I always seem to get them, too, although I don't doubt it's completely random. In his Tombstone game, I was the hooker with the heart of gold (even became sheriff, the ultimate good role in the game). And in Big City, I was a neutral sports bettor who ended up with a choice to go good or bad (I chose good).

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That's right. And I can prove it. I had one left over AP after your use of my role, and it came back on Odysseus. Odysseus is not in the game at all. So Racer is a Titan.

I am not lying about my role. I am Odysseus.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Vote Lathum

This will be just one AP so I can send a BG to guard Apollo at 4 AP strength.

Why would your broadcast how you plan to use your AP points for weekend deadline? It seems like it would only play into the hands of the Titans.

[st.cronin]

Do not vote for Lathum, he IS the bodyguard. I know this for 100% now.

[PurdueBrad]

Wow, nice job last night everybody! I'll follow RA on ths one and put my vote on:

vote Lathum