WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!!

[EagleFan]

As of 1700:

Work:
Hunting - Danny (1534), Barkeep49 (1536), jeheinz72 (1593), ntndeacon (1599), The Jackal (1626), TheNorm (1651) (6/10)
Patrol - Chief Rum x3 (1528), PurdueBrad (1696) (4/10)
Mission - claphamsa (1588), DaddyTorgo (1608), Poli (1620) (3/?) - locked (1632)
Jail - USFLTecmo (1642)

Voting:
Jackal 1 - TheNorm (1545)
Danny 1 - EagleFan (1567)
ntndeacon 1 - dubb93 (1651)
dubb93 1 - Poli (1675)
TheNorm 1 - jeheinz72 (1682)

[Lathum]

yesterdays final vote count

Pass-1- Clap (1116)
Render-4- Lathum (1134), Autumn (1190), Pass (1331),The Jackal (1377)
Jackal-6-Danny (1166), Poli (1202), Heinze (1216), BK (1312), PB (1334), Render (1354)
Autumn-1- CR (1255)
Schmidty-2-USFL (1358), Dubb (1361),
No Lynch-1-TheNorm (1370)
PB- 1- Ef (1373)

[Lathum]

vote sequence

914 EF Votes PB
986 Pass votes Poli
989 Pass unvotes Poli
991 Pass votes Poli
998 Poli votes Pass
1063 Heinze votes Autumn
1116 Clap votes Pass
1134 Lathum votes Render
1149 Poli unvotes pass
1154 Pass unvotes Poli
1154 Pass votes Clap
1166 Danny votes Jackal
1190 Autumn votes Render
1202 Poli votes the Jackal
1205 The Jackal votes Render
1209 Dubb votes Render
1216 Heinze unvotes Autumn
1216 Heinze votes Jackal
1250 Dubb unvotes render
1250 Dubb votes BK
1255 CR votes Autumn
1300 Dubb unvotes BK
1304 Dubb votes Jackal
1312 BK votes Jackal
1331 Pass unvotes Clap
1331 Pass votes Render
1334 PB votes Jackal
1340 EF unvotes PB
1340 EF votes Jackal
1341 Dubb unvotes JAckal
1341 Dubb votes Render
1354 Render votes Jackal
1358 USFL votes Schmidty
1361 Dubb unvotes render
1361 Dubb votes Schmidty
1370 TheNorm votes no lynch
1372 The Jackal unvotes Render
1372 The Jackal votes Schmidty
1372- EF unvotes Jackal
1372- EF votes PB
1377 The Jackal unvotes Schmidty
1377 The JAckal votes Render

[EagleFan]

dola:

As of 1701:

No work orders: Lathum, ntndeacon, EagleFan, Glengoyne, RendeR

No vote: Lathum, claphamsa, ntndeacon, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo. Danny, PurdueBrad, The Jackal, RendeR, Barkeep49

[Lathum]

A few things that struck me

Dubb was all over the place

Pass cast a pretty late vote on Render, that elevates Render a bit.

EF's late vote on PB was odd

TheNorm abstaining from voting in such a close race struck me as odd

Clap's second vote on Pass elevates him a bit

CR seemingly buried his vote on Autumn

USFL's vote on Schmidty came to late to probably matter and could be a great way to bury a vote, would the wolves be bold enough to ship one of their own to prison today?

I think we learn a lot if we lynch Jackal today, we have 2 trusted people who voted him. If he comes up villager it is possible a sympathizer was on him.

[EagleFan]

go on hunting mission

[EagleFan]

As of 1706:

Work:
Hunting - Danny (1534), Barkeep49 (1536), jeheinz72 (1593), ntndeacon (1599), The Jackal (1626), TheNorm (1651) (6/10)
Patrol - Chief Rum x3 (1528), PurdueBrad (1696), EagleFan (1706) (5/10)
Mission - claphamsa (1588), DaddyTorgo (1608), Poli (1620) (3/?) - locked (1632)
Jail - USFLTecmo (1642)

Voting:
Jackal 1 - TheNorm (1545)
Danny 1 - EagleFan (1567)
ntndeacon 1 - dubb93 (1651)
dubb93 1 - Poli (1675)
TheNorm 1 - jeheinz72 (1682)


No work orders: Lathum, ntndeacon, Glengoyne, RendeR

No vote: Lathum, claphamsa, ntndeacon, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo. Danny, PurdueBrad, The Jackal, RendeR, Barkeep49

[Lathum]

Vote The Jackal

[Lathum]

Work on Patrol

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

CR seemingly buried his vote on Autumn

Anything you want to know? I gave my reasons at the time. I didn't (and still don't) think The Jackal and Render are wolves, and those were the two choices presented. I was wrong on Autumn, but I even said then it wasn't a vote I had much confidence in.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

A) Was fishy on him first two days.

B) Didn't like the somewhat quick 2nd vote he put on Jackal today

C) Don't like the bait he cast about the gun earlier. Either it's a poor villager play to reveal that or it's a wolf trying to see who else might have such a bonus for future targeting.

A) Don't know what would make you think that, but that's okay.
B) You might not like it but I'm strongly convinced on this one, and there's no way in hell I'm changing it.
C) Just mentioning what my role is with hunting--I'm not asking for the gun nor did I receive one. I mentioned why I wanted to go on the mission, and that was for a chance to find a gun that would make me a more efficient hunter. There's nothing fishy about it--I want to help the camp, and when it became apparent that there were strong objections to it I relented and worked in the camp. Reluctantly yes--guilty as charged there.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Lathum

hey Glen

Heinzey, I am also suspect of the way TheNorm is playing. His reactions are similar to last game when he was a wolf.

...and I understand why you feel that way, but I'm one of the good guys this go round.

I know this game's all about reading into what someone does or doesn't post, etc. My vote is not changing.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Anything you want to know? I gave my reasons at the time. I didn't (and still don't) think The Jackal and Render are wolves, and those were the two choices presented. I was wrong on Autumn, but I even said then it wasn't a vote I had much confidence in.

why do you think Jackal and Render are in the clear?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

why do you think Jackal and Render are in the clear?

Feel, mostly. From reading their posts. The case on The Jackal was based on nothing more than a couple vibe votes and then the momentum of two candidates. He was understandably upset at that. Render was saying a lot of things that were more less exactly my take on things, which tells me he's coming from the same place I am.

That whole vote was a CF from the start. Two candidates picked for slim reasoning, and the village ignored all others. Not saying there was a great case to be made for anyone (we just don't have enough info), but that doesn't mean I have to accept the flimsy cases that are being made at face value.

[Lathum]

fair enough, any thoughts on anyone?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

fair enough, any thoughts on anyone?

A jumble of half-formed thoughts, really. Fact is, I have been so busy this week, I have had to skip sections of the thread, or just skim it, so I haven't been able to really develop feels for everyone in the game just yet. It's my intent to take this weekend to read through the thread again properly and put together some conclusions.

I did feel good about both BK and Poli before they came out, so I am gratified that came out well, but I was wrong on Autumn (a rushed vote, really), so has to be shots in the dark right now.

[EagleFan]

As of 1716:

Work:
Hunting - Danny (1534), Barkeep49 (1536), jeheinz72 (1593), ntndeacon (1599), The Jackal (1626), TheNorm (1651) (6/10)
Patrol - Chief Rum x3 (1528), PurdueBrad (1696), EagleFan (1706), Lathum (1709) (6/10)
Mission - claphamsa (1588), DaddyTorgo (1608), Poli (1620) (3/?) - locked (1632)
Jail - USFLTecmo (1642)

Voting:
Jackal 2 - TheNorm (1545), Lathum (1708)
Danny 1 - EagleFan (1567)
ntndeacon 1 - dubb93 (1651)
dubb93 1 - Poli (1675)
TheNorm 1 - jeheinz72 (1682)


No work orders: ntndeacon, Glengoyne, RendeR

No vote: claphamsa, ntndeacon, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo. Danny, PurdueBrad, The Jackal, RendeR, Barkeep49

[EagleFan]

Not sure if it means anything but maybe we try to get a full 10 on one task. Maybe we can still take the camp if we complete one fully and com close on another, especially if one is seen as more important than the other (I guess the question is which one matches that criteria).

[Danny]

Chief Rum's latest collection of posts is awfully similar to what I've seen from him before as a wolf. I'm not ready to vote him just yet though.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Danny

Chief Rum's latest collection of posts is awfully similar to what I've seen from him before as a wolf. I'm not ready to vote him just yet though.

I have posted that way before as a wolf. I have also posted that way as a villager. Really, it's the way I post when real life is busy, and I can't go full out reading every post (which happens in probably 2/3 to 3/4 of the games I am in).

Pass's game, the last one, was one where I did find a little more time to read, and was able to post much more.

I'm just a harmless villager in this one, no special skills, so if you come after me, it doesn't cost the village as much. That said, you won't get a wolf taking me down either, so you're not going to help them there.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I have posted that way before as a wolf. I have also posted that way as a villager. Really, it's the way I post when real life is busy, and I can't go full out reading every post (which happens in probably 2/3 to 3/4 of the games I am in).

Pass's game, the last one, was one where I did find a little more time to read, and was able to post much more.

I'm just a harmless villager in this one, no special skills, so if you come after me, it doesn't cost the village as much. That said, you won't get a wolf taking me down either, so you're not going to help them there.

For me you're the hardest player to get a read on, so I think I will just assume you are a wolf from now on. But since there is nothing objective I'm not voting you... yet

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Danny

For me you're the hardest player to get a read on, so I think I will just assume you are a wolf from now on. But since there is nothing objective I'm not voting you... yet

Heh...that's what I usually recommend to others. Assume I am a wolf and just keep trying to kill me until I am cleared. I, of course, don't like that so much, since, wolf or villager, I get a lot less out of WW games if people be killin' me so early.

You're not bad yourself, BTW, in being unreadable, I have found (and, no, you'r not cleared in my book either ).

[dubb93]

Eagle, recheck your numbers you have ATLEAST yourself in the wrong place. You signed up to work on hunting and you have yourself in patrol.

[dubb93]

Work on Hunting

[Glengoyne]

I'm almost half way through and at least I don't suspect Schmidty at this point.

back to reading.

I think some of you post just to hear the keys.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I'm almost half way through and at least I don't suspect Schmidty at this point.

back to reading.

I think some of you post just to hear the keys.

You are Schmidty

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Eagle, recheck your numbers you have ATLEAST yourself in the wrong place. You signed up to work on hunting and you have yourself in patrol.

patrolling - CRx3, PB, Lathum (5/10)
hunting - Danny, BK, heinz, ntn, jackal, Norm, EF, dubb (8/10)

mission - Poli, clap, DT

arrested - USFL

Jackal 2 (TheNorm 1545, Lathum 1708)
Danny 1 (EF 1567)
ntn 1 (dubb 1651)
dubb 1 (Poli 1675)
TheNorm 1 (heinz 1682)

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think we learn a lot if we lynch Jackal today, we have 2 trusted people who voted him. If he comes up villager it is possible a sympathizer was on him.

With the reasoning for votes that were put on me, I'm not sure lynching me is going to tell you much.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Not sure if it means anything but maybe we try to get a full 10 on one task. Maybe we can still take the camp if we complete one fully and com close on another, especially if one is seen as more important than the other (I guess the question is which one matches that criteria).

I don't know if this will or will not help but it doesn't hurt to try.

unwork patrolling

work hunting

[The Jackal]

-cough go caps cough-

[PurdueBrad]

You realize I haven't voted yet, right? I think you being a Flyers fan and now going for the Caps is better than voting on a vibe.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

You realize I haven't voted yet, right? I think you being a Flyers fan and now going for the Caps is better than voting on a vibe.

I didn't vote for you either, right? Friggin Flyers.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

With the reasoning for votes that were put on me, I'm not sure lynching me is going to tell you much.

It tells us the circumstances in yesterday's voting.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Eagle, recheck your numbers you have ATLEAST yourself in the wrong place. You signed up to work on hunting and you have yourself in patrol.

lol, thanks. That was me thinking one thing and doing another. In my mind I was saying patrol but typed hunting for some reason. I'll update the totals and may swtich to patrol if needed.

[EagleFan]

As of 1734:

Work:
Hunting - Danny (1534), Barkeep49 (1536), jeheinz72 (1593), ntndeacon (1599), The Jackal (1626), TheNorm (1651), EagleFan (1706), dubb93 (1724), PurdueBrad (1729) (9/10)
Patrol - Chief Rum x3 (1528), Lathum (1709) (4/10)
Mission - claphamsa (1588), DaddyTorgo (1608), Poli (1620) (3/?) - locked (1632)
Jail - USFLTecmo (1642)

Voting:
Jackal 2 - TheNorm (1545), Lathum (1708)
Danny 1 - EagleFan (1567)
ntndeacon 1 - dubb93 (1651)
dubb93 1 - Poli (1675)
TheNorm 1 - jeheinz72 (1682)


No work orders: Glengoyne, RendeR

No vote: claphamsa, ntndeacon, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo. Danny, PurdueBrad, The Jackal, RendeR, Barkeep49

[EagleFan]

unvote Danny

vote TheNorm


Isn't his skill hunting, yet he says that he is only a x1 (unless he gets a gun). Almost sounds like a sympathizer trying to setup and excuse for two things, one being why we don't get enough work units and the oter to try to get someone to pass him a gun.

[EagleFan]

As of 1736:

Work:
Hunting - Danny (1534), Barkeep49 (1536), jeheinz72 (1593), ntndeacon (1599), The Jackal (1626), TheNorm (1651), EagleFan (1706), dubb93 (1724), PurdueBrad (1729) (9/10)
Patrol - Chief Rum x3 (1528), Lathum (1709) (4/10)
Mission - claphamsa (1588), DaddyTorgo (1608), Poli (1620) (3/?) - locked (1632)
Jail - USFLTecmo (1642)

Voting:
Jackal 2 - TheNorm (1545), Lathum (1708)
ntndeacon 1 - dubb93 (1651)
dubb93 1 - Poli (1675)
TheNorm 2 - jeheinz72 (1682), EagleFan (1736)


No work orders: Glengoyne, RendeR

No vote: claphamsa, ntndeacon, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo. Danny, PurdueBrad, The Jackal, RendeR, Barkeep49

[RendeR]

SO based on your numbers we cannot complete both work requirements?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by RendeR

SO based on your numbers we cannot complete both work requirements?

Nope. Which is why I was thinking that if we complete one of the tasks an come close on the other maybe we can salvage it.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by RendeR

SO based on your numbers we cannot complete both work requirements?

Based on TheNorm saying he is oly x1 we were screwed from the start as that means we would have needed 16 of the 17 on the camp with only 1 on mission. My initial calculations were assuming he was a x3.

Something isn't making sense. We are missing something that must be right under our noses. If TheNorm is just x1 we had no chance of completing both camp jobs today, even if everyone went on one of the camp tasks as the arrest of USFL doomed us no matter what else happened.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

unvote Danny

vote TheNorm


Isn't his skill hunting, yet he says that he is only a x1 (unless he gets a gun). Almost sounds like a sympathizer trying to setup and excuse for two things, one being why we don't get enough work units and the oter to try to get someone to pass him a gun.

I've only been saying it since Day Two when the mission came up, and it hasn't changed.

Even with a couple of the votes coming my way, there's no way my vote comes off of Jackal. If you want to eliminate a sympathizer you'll do the same. I know some of you look to what a player has done in previous games to get a read on them, and some to great effect. Some people know I don't vote early, and here I am doing so now. That should tell you a lot.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

I've only been saying it since Day Two when the mission came up, and it hasn't changed.

Even with a couple of the votes coming my way, there's no way my vote comes off of Jackal. If you want to eliminate a sympathizer you'll do the same. I know some of you look to what a player has done in previous games to get a read on them, and some to great effect. Some people know I don't vote early, and here I am doing so now. That should tell you a lot.

What I don't get is that you have a specialty but it is worthless to you without another object? I have been looking back over the thread today and I now see that the other hunters revealed as x2's. It just seems odd that you would not have at least a x2 as your specialty or it really isn't a specialty.

I may rehink my vote but if we follow through with the Jackal idea and he is not a sympathizer your name will defintiley be the next one "written" down.

[EagleFan]

Going with a hunch. I hope my gut isn't steering me wrong on this one. I guess if what you say is true then your desire to go on the mission day two makes more sense.

unvote TheNorm

vote The Jackal

[EagleFan]

As of 1743:

Work:
Hunting - Danny (1534), Barkeep49 (1536), jeheinz72 (1593), ntndeacon (1599), The Jackal (1626), TheNorm (1651), EagleFan (1706), dubb93 (1724), PurdueBrad (1729) (9/10)
Patrol - Chief Rum x3 (1528), Lathum (1709) (4/10)
Mission - claphamsa (1588), DaddyTorgo (1608), Poli (1620) (3/?) - locked (1632)
Jail - USFLTecmo (1642)

Voting:
Jackal 3 - TheNorm (1545), Lathum (1708), EagleFan (1743)
ntndeacon 1 - dubb93 (1651)
dubb93 1 - Poli (1675)
TheNorm 1 - jeheinz72 (1682)


No work orders: Glengoyne, RendeR

No vote: claphamsa, ntndeacon, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo. Danny, PurdueBrad, The Jackal, RendeR, Barkeep49

[dubb93]

Unvote NtN
Vote Jackal

[dubb93]

Norm, I changed my vote b/c I think I know what you are. I would suggest you reveal all of your scans before night if you are what I think you are. I would also suggest Poli protect you.

I may be wrong on this however.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Norm, I changed my vote b/c I think I know what you are. I would suggest you reveal all of your scans before night if you are what I think you are. I would also suggest Poli protect you.

I may be wrong on this however.

I agree.

This adds a very nice CoT for us with: BK, Poli, TheNorm and myself

This narrows down the list of other potential choices.

[EagleFan]

I also think that Poli shouldn't confirm that he is guarding TheNorm as there needs to be some doubt left in everyone's mind.

[EagleFan]

As of 1743:

Work:
Hunting - Danny (1534), Barkeep49 (1536), jeheinz72 (1593), ntndeacon (1599), The Jackal (1626), TheNorm (1651), EagleFan (1706), dubb93 (1724), PurdueBrad (1729) (9/10)
Patrol - Chief Rum x3 (1528), Lathum (1709) (4/10)
Mission - claphamsa (1588), DaddyTorgo (1608), Poli (1620) (3/?) - locked (1632)
Jail - USFLTecmo (1642)

Voting:
Jackal 4 - TheNorm (1545), Lathum (1708), EagleFan (1743), dubb93 (1745)
dubb93 1 - Poli (1675)
TheNorm 1 - jeheinz72 (1682)


No work orders: Glengoyne, RendeR

No vote: claphamsa, ntndeacon, Glengoyne, Chief Rum, DaddyTorgo. Danny, PurdueBrad, The Jackal, RendeR, Barkeep49

[EagleFan]

Just at a glance (if TheNorm is saying what I think he is saying):

1. Poli
2. Lathum
4. dubb
5. claphamsa
6. ntndeacon
7. USFLTecmo
8. TheNorm
9. EagleFan
10. Glengoyne
11. Chief Rum
12. DaddyTorgo
13. Danny
14. PurdueBrad
17. The Jackal
18. RendeR
19. Barkeep
20. jeheinz