POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's a superficial issue to get people angry. So yeah, perfect for the Fox News crowd. They have no interest in a deep dive into why many younger people today are choosing to be child free.

My understanding is this is a corollary to his belief that people who don't have kids (namely, gays and Godless liberal women who don't view themselves as child factories) therefore don't have "skin in our democracy" and should no longer be able to vote. So this is the dilution of their vote since you can't run for VP directly arguing to take voting rights away from people.

Did he specify people who have their own children, because I believe previously he threw "step-parents" into the pot with gays?

[Flasch186]

Until they find out how many kids an inner city woman can have


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[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by stevew

We need a Padmé

Someone put a mic in front of Natalie Portman and have her call for a vote of nonconfidence

I mean, if you WANT the Empire, then sure!

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Politicians aren't pawns, but if the people demand other options they will get them. The party absolutely cannot make clear who is going to be the nominee. The only way they get away with that is if people tolerate it. If they want another option, politicians will step up and give it to them.

There were like 11 states that didn't even hold a primary. Another state was told their results wouldn't count because they refused to change the date of it. There wasn't any scheduled debates which would have been helpful in determining Biden's mental status. And anyone who dared step up to challenge was inundated by lawsuits, threats, and blacklisted from the party.

Pretending this was some open primary that the party was holding and giving everyone a fair shot is just a fallacy. The party decided that Biden would be the nominee and didn't want anyone else standing in his way.

When people vote for another option (3rd party candidate) as you suggest, liberals cry about how that candidate stole their vote and helped Trump.

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Any of the elected Democrats now saying Biden should step down could have called for a different candidate. People could have lobbied their representatives at any level. They could have urged their own senators/governors to run. They could have done any number of things that they chose not to do. They aren't just helpless bystanders in this process, they have the power. When you choose not to exercise it, that's not the fault of the party who you delegated that authority to of your own free will. It's the fault of the electorate, period.

Biden folks run the DNC and were making it clear they would destroy the political prospects of anyone who dared speak up. Even if it hurt the party.

Just a moment...

I think people were cowardly for not speaking up, but the party has been very clear that you can't cross them when they want something. This of course excludes Sinema, Manchin, and others who blocked policies because Dems don't really give a shit about that stuff.

[stevew]

How many votes do you get if you fuck gloves in between couch cushions

[thesloppy]

Although the media is focused on Biden's age in terms of being infirm and incapable I think that also obscures that the voters (myself included) see many attractive points to Biden stepping down.


One is simply change, we're all tired of seeing the same old politicians getting trotted our and as long as the possibility of replacement remains out there but is undefined, you can imagine all sorts of best case scenarios for yourself. I would be remiss to not mention this is exactly what appeals to MAGA voters too.



Secondarily I think there's a massive amount of voters who would like to see the boomers finally transfer power to the other generations. This is along the lines of age and change, but more specific. Harris is still technically a boomer, but like the above, as long as that option remains undefined we can still pretend some young up and comer will step in.


I think there's a lot of voters that would take that change and transfer of generational power even if it comes at the cost of a lost election (I dunno if I count myself in this group), because it would finally signal a foundational shift that has been long overdue.

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

Until they find out how many kids an inner city woman can have


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They could only count black kids at a reduced rate... say three fifths?

[stevew]

Kamala Harris is also a baby boomer, I believe. Like on the very very end of it. Biden isn’t even a boomer.

[RainMaker]

WSJ, breaking: “The gunman who tried to kill Donald Trump was able to fly a drone and get aerial footage of the western Pennsylvania fairgrounds shortly before the former president was set to speak there, law-enforcement officials briefed on the matter said, further underscoring…

— Josh Kraushaar (@JoshKraushaar) July 19, 2024

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

They could only count black kids at a reduced rate... say three fifths?

Not meant for you, but for anybody else they might not know about ChatGPT.

“During the Constitutional Convention, a major point of contention between Northern and Southern states was how to count the enslaved population. Southern states wanted enslaved individuals to be fully counted to boost their representation in the House of Representatives, while Northern states, where slavery was less prevalent, opposed this since it would give the South more political power.”

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Secondarily I think there's a massive amount of voters who would like to see the boomers finally transfer power to the other generations.

Well, I guess we could also say that the boomers want to see "The Silent Generation" finally transfer power to the other generations. Biden is so old that he doesn't even make the cut as a boomer. First elected to congress when Richard Nixon was president.

[Danny]

Biden was there to greet Lewis and Clark when they returned from their journey.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by stevew

Kamala Harris is also a baby boomer, I believe. Like on the very very end of it. Biden isn’t even a boomer.

She is a boomer technically...which I did mention in my post, but as you and Vic mentioned it is crazy that Biden isn't even young enough to be a boomer. Dude was alive when they bombed Pearl Harbor.

[CrimsonFox]

why is this country so agist...

[PilotMan]

C'mon CF.... this ain't like pushing the 55yr of from the company of 20 years to make way for the younger, cheaper, "better" employee.

[GrantDawg]

Pete getting ready for those VP debates...

Uhh Pete Buttigieg just destroyed JD Vance on @RealTimers pic.twitter.com/EFQnasWRJh

— chyea ok (@chyeaok) July 20, 2024

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

why is this country so agist...

I didn’t get a sense for anything like that during Biden’s presidency (until he trounced himself at the debate). While the concept of younger people like GWB and Obama running isn’t new, this hasn’t been the case lately. Just a few months ago the country voted overwhelmingly for Biden and Trump to run for office. The country is definitely concerned about Biden’s cognitive decline, not his age. If he still had his wits (more consistently) about him, this would never have come up.

[NobodyHere]

Grindr Dating App Crashes in Milwaukee During RNC: Everything We Know

[JPhillips]

So the Trump campaign is now saying that for the past week a guy who has let his medical license expire and was demoted by the Navy, has been in charge of Trump's care.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So the Trump campaign is now saying that for the past week a guy who has let his medical license expire and was demoted by the Navy, has been in charge of Trump's care.

Good ol' Ronny Johnson

[NobodyHere]

Honestly thats better than me. I just ask my friend George how I look. He said I looked I looked fine. At least George gives me a minimal fee.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So the Trump campaign is now saying that for the past week a guy who has let his medical license expire and was demoted by the Navy, has been in charge of Trump's care.

The guy telling us Biden is sharp, energetic, and acts 25 years younger than he is has an up to date license. So there’s that.

[Mota]

So in other words, if you pay someone enough money, they'll say whatever you want them to say.

[JPhillips]

Aaron Sorkin suggesting Dems nominate Romney is the new dumbest thing in print.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Aaron Sorkin suggesting Dems nominate Romney is the new dumbest thing in print.

I mean it would make sense for the Centrist DNC

[JPhillips]

No.

Romney wouldn't run as a Dem and Dems wouldn't vote for him.

Also, it's amazing that we're all just numb to Trump's statement that Elon has to be taken care of because he's giving him 45 mil a month. Not only is that staggeringly corrupt, but he's basically admitting a crime as PACs aren't supposed to coordinate with candidates.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Aaron Sorkin suggesting Dems nominate Romney is the new dumbest thing in print.

I was coming here to post this. That makes about as much sense as Liz Cheney. Just because they haven't bent the knee to Trump doesn't mean their political positions are palatable to Democrats.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Pete getting ready for those VP debates...



This is more or less how I would expect Vance to reply.

[Coffee Warlord]

And there it is. Biden drops out.

[dubb93]

Anyone know if The Rock is a democrat?

[NobodyHere]

I still think they should go with Taylor Swift

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I still think they should go with Taylor Swift

She couldn’t handle Kanye. Trump would eat her alive. Anyway it’s 2024. It’s a man’s world.

[kingfc22]

And the candidate who actually cares about the country makes the best choice for the country.

Thank you Joe.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Anyone know if The Rock is a democrat?

The Rock has started playing footsie with Trump recently.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I still think they should go with Taylor Swift

That would be a guaranteed win, but the Democrats are too dumb to do it.

[albionmoonlight]

I think it is a mistake. But maybe there’s something I don’t know.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by dubb93

She couldn’t handle Kanye. Trump would eat her alive. Anyway it’s 2024. It’s a man’s world.

But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl

[GrantDawg]

Make no mistake on who has orchestrated this for the past week...

Nancy Pelosi is the most important Democratic politician of my lifetime and it’s not close

— dylan matthews �� (@dylanmatt) July 21, 2024

[NobodyHere]

Biden endorses Harris, no shock there.

[GrantDawg]

Cuban's reaction:

Father time is undefeated

— Mark Cuban (@mcuban) July 21, 2024

[thesloppy]

Man, I thought it was inevitable with the media coverage, and yet it I am still shocked.

It was a no win situation for Joe, but I also feel like being weak enough to submit to the pressure only confirms that he should have dropped out long ago. He and his crew put up a little fight, but if he were truly as capable as he was 4 years then he wouldn't have given up, regardless of the pressure.

[Ghost Econ]

America is fucked

[PilotMan]

Biden could have joined RBG in history as failing to see just how important their horrible decisions had been in ruining the leadership of this country. Thankfully, he made the right call. Good for everyone across the board.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I think it is a mistake. But maybe there’s something I don’t know.

Biden couldn’t win. The narrative was written 3 minutes into the debate.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Biden endorses Harris, no shock there.

There was actually some question. There were rumors he would stay neutral and allow an open nomination process. There have been Democrat think tanks floating different process ideas.



Pushing Harris is at least cleaner, and the fact she can more vigorously campaign is a plus. She still has her negatives that might play out as not as much a bump as the party might hope.

[Jas_lov]

Biden made the right decision and one that will be remembered as so. He's endorsed Kamala so she can run on continuing Biden's progress but also running as a change candidate vs Trump. Hopefully she can get back some of the young voters, minorities, women and independents that had abandoned Biden because he was too old.

[thesloppy]

I still am holding out hope for Pete. He's hardly any kind of progressive, but he's a killer in the media, and I could be convinced that's all that matters. Even as VP he'd be a good bulldog.

[GrantDawg]

ROSTER MOVES:

- Designated P Joe Biden for assignment.

- Selected the contract of VP Kamala Harris from Triple-A Washington D.C.

— choco (@ItzChoco__) July 21, 2024

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

I still am holding out hope for Pete. He's hardly any kind of progressive, but he's a killer in the media, and I could be convinced that's all that matters. Even as VP he'd be a good bulldog.

I think he'd be a better VP option this year. Shapiro, Beshear, or Pete is who I'm hoping for VP. I've seen talk about Kelly, Walz and Cooper but I think it's better to go with someone younger than Kamala.

[GrantDawg]

Donald Trump is the oldest nominee for President in American history.

— Sarah Longwell (@SarahLongwell25) July 21, 2024