Big 10 Expansion Thread -Big Ten ready for a playoff .. finally? - Page 36

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 01:58 PM

Going back to the two auto bids, someone mentioned this on the radio here in Socal

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Interesting that the end game could actually be eight eight-team conferences with four umbrella organizations to unite two conferences each for contract purposes.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:01 PM

Pretty official looking

Solecismic · 06-10-2010, 02:04 PM

The problem with Missouri is that it's decent in every category you can use to measure value, but always a distant second to someone else. Missouri is the plain girl you keep smiling at just in case while you ask others to the prom.

If the Big Ten goes to 16, could be an interesting decision between Kansas and Missouri.

So, yes or no, does Nebraska make the announcement tomorrow?

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:04 PM

If it is true about OSU, kudos to them. They are essentially forcing OU's hand, and thus forcing UT to ignore the pleas of Baylor.

Samdari · 06-10-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by timmynausea

Another rumor floating around about SEC expansion that could make sense:

Needing 9 of 12 votes to admit a new member, UF, UGA, UK and USC have an agreement to block FSU, GT, Louisville and Clemson.

Sure, the ADs do, until the state governments in GA and SC cast the votes for them and they become yes's.

timmynausea · 06-10-2010, 02:10 PM

Craziest rumor yet? This from the WVU board:

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A rumor posted on some boards has Notre Dame talking to the Big East about joining the football conference.

The conditions stated were:

-That they would be able to keep their NBC contract going and keep every bit of the proceeds
-The Big East football conference is limited to 8 teams so ND only has to play a 7 game conference schedule (to keep some flexibility with their schedule). The rumor says that the missing team (to keep the BE at 8) would be RU, who would be going to the Big Ten.

I'd dismiss it pretty completely, but the NW Rivals guy who seems to have a legit source said this today, which could be in reference to ND considering BE football:

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First, some very interesting things are happening in the Big East right now. If I said anything more about that, it would jeopardize the position of the Big Ten, so suffice it to say that this depends on the status of that school in South Bend.

What I'm wondering is even if ND decided to go this route, is it possibly too late? Will the other moves lead to ACC/SEC invites for Big East schools that will ravage BE football even if ND joins?

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by timmynausea

Craziest rumor yet? This from the WVU board:

I'd dismiss it pretty completely, but the NW Rivals guy who seems to have a legit source said this today, which could be in reference to ND considering BE football:

What I'm wondering is even if ND decided to go this route, is it possibly too late? Will the other moves lead to ACC/SEC invites for Big East schools that will ravage BE football even if ND joins?

Interesting. In a sense I can see it because it gives ND freedom and only 7 games but they are so stodgy that, no offense, but I can't see them wanting to go play WVU, Louisville, USF, etc.

digamma · 06-10-2010, 02:13 PM

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Sure, the ADs do, until the state governments in GA and SC cast the votes for them and they become yes's.

The AD's don't. Adding your in-state rival is a windfall because it frees up a non-conference game for you. This is why Florida would be much more in favor of adding FSU than Miami. Home games bring money straight to your bottom line that you don't have to share with the conference. For Georgia, Florida and South Carolina, that is about 2-3 million a game. That's not to say there isn't some puffery going on and squash your rival stuff, but when the schools really analyze this home games still pay the bulk of their expenses.

timmynausea · 06-10-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Interesting. In a sense I can see it because it gives ND freedom and only 7 games but they are so stodgy that, no offense, but I can't see them wanting to go play WVU, Louisville, USF, etc.

I did consider that, particularly about USF and Cincy, but ND has had series in the past 10 years with WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Uconn off the top of my head.

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by timmynausea

I did consider that, particularly about USF and Cincy, but ND has had series in the past 10 years with WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and Uconn off the top of my head.

It makes sense if ND gets over themselves (donors, president, etc) because it caters 100% to them which is what they want.

Solecismic · 06-10-2010, 02:18 PM

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If it is true about OSU, kudos to them. They are essentially forcing OU's hand, and thus forcing UT to ignore the pleas of Baylor.

As I look at the top 30 athletic departments in terms of revenue, there are only three real surprises:

7. Auburn, 10. Oklahoma State, 23. Duke.

It's an interesting playing field where the Cowboys rake in more dollars than the Sooners.

I am a little surprised the Pac Ten is proceeding in this manner. Academics are important to the conference. Not Big-Ten important, but close. Colorado is a good fit. OSU is not.

So I'm looking at this latest report with a little skepticism. Colorado is a good fit. Texas A&M is a good fit. Texas is like winning the lottery. The others? I'm not certain they're anything more than window dressing for Texas. I would be amazed if OSU is offered without Texas already in the fold.

Blade6119 · 06-10-2010, 02:20 PM

Funny, according to some NU guys Tom Osborne is lobbying for MU to get into the Big 10 while ND lobbies away for Rutgers...it would be highly ironic if after this all it is nebraska that bails Mizzou out

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

As I look at the top 30 athletic departments in terms of revenue, there are only three real surprises:

7. Auburn, 10. Oklahoma State, 23. Duke.

It's an interesting playing field where the Cowboys rake in more dollars than the Sooners.

I am a little surprised the Pac Ten is proceeding in this manner. Academics are important to the conference. Not Big-Ten important, but close. Colorado is a good fit. OSU is not.

So I'm looking at this latest report with a little skepticism. Colorado is a good fit. Texas A&M is a good fit. Texas is like winning the lottery. The others? I'm not certain they're anything more than window dressing for Texas. I would be amazed if OSU is offered without Texas already in the fold.

Oh, dont think academics isnt as important, I think if they could, they would kicked out the OSU, WSU, and ASU if they could away with it

Warhammer · 06-10-2010, 02:23 PM

If ND winds up in the Big East I would be pissed as an Irish fan. If you want to be independent fine. But if you join a conference, go to the Big 10, not the Big East.

Blade6119 · 06-10-2010, 02:24 PM

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Oh, dont think academics isnt as important, I think if they could, they would kicked out the OSU, WSU, and ASU if they could away with it

You really think the Pac 10 wants to dump the phoenix market? ASU isnt stanford, but that makes absolutely no sense for the conference

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 02:24 PM

BTW the more I think about it, the more ND to the Big East makes too much sense. They can still (maybe) schedule Michigan and USC, and if they lose, so be it, they can make a ton of cash and still win the Big East.

With these new conferences though I have my doubts that the Michigan/ND series continues, especially since there is nothing more then a verbal agreement to play every year forever basically.

duckman · 06-10-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

If it is true about OSU, kudos to them. They are essentially forcing OU's hand, and thus forcing UT to ignore the pleas of Baylor.

TMZ report is wrong. NewsOK.com has reported that there has been no contact between OSU and the Pac-10. However, they have been assured by Texas that they would be part of any movement that Longhorns make.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-10-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

Sure, the ADs do, until the state governments in GA and SC cast the votes for them and they become yes's.

You won't see the GA legislature bucking the sports admin at UGA.

digamma · 06-10-2010, 02:33 PM

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You won't see the GA legislature bucking the sports admin at UGA.

Preach.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

TMZ report is wrong. NewsOK.com has reported that there has been no contact between OSU and the Pac-10. However, they have been assured by Texas that they would be part of any movement that Longhorns make.

Okie State's president will be releasing a statement later today. I dont think it's to say they are joining the PAC-10, but probably a response to what has been said

Swaggs · 06-10-2010, 02:42 PM

Latest from Frank the Tank via Twitter:

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Latest chatter: Texas A&M has unconditional SEC invite. Virginia Tech, too?

Swaggs · 06-10-2010, 02:47 PM

If Virginia Tech can find a home in the SEC, I think the Big Ten could do very well by grabbing Syracuse, Rutgers, Maryland, and UVA.

They are are all AAU schools and, other than Syracuse, they are all large state universities that are contigious to the existing Big Ten footprint. They are all traditionally competitive in football and basketball, but not enough so to alter the balance of power. And, they introduce the Big Ten to some of NYC and all of New Jersey, Virginia, and Maryland which would give a greater presence in Philadelphia and add Baltimore and D.C. (where there are presumably a lot of Big Ten grads).

SnDvls · 06-10-2010, 02:54 PM

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Oh, dont think academics isnt as important, I think if they could, they would kicked out the OSU, WSU, and ASU if they could away with it

they'd have to dump uofa too.

ASU and uofa have the exact same admission standards. Those standards are set by the Arizona Board of Regents. It's a common mistake many make thinking one is "better" than the other or the entrance requirements are different.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:57 PM

I was making an arbitrary statement off of a set of college rankings. ASU would be the most likely to stay of the three

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 03:03 PM

Texas Hold 'Em: Longhorns, A&M To Big Ten

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- High level sources in multiple conferences have told KCTV5 that Texas and Texas A&M are looking to move to the Big Ten Conference and have petitioned for membership, while the University of Oklahoma is planning on petitioning the Southeastern Conference to become a member of its conference.
KCTV5's sources said that Texas and Texas A&M do not have to include Texas Tech or Baylor in their plans. Sources told KCTV5 that there have already been discussions about the two schools entering the Big Ten and that the agreement could be made as soon as Thursday.

I. J. Reilly · 06-10-2010, 03:04 PM

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You really think the Pac 10 wants to dump the phoenix market? ASU isnt stanford, but that makes absolutely no sense for the conference

And OSU and WSU were founding members of the original Pacific Coast Conference in 1916. So I don’t think any of the three are going anywhere any time soon.

But I didn’t think Kansas would ever be a mid-major either, so what do I know.

Galaxy · 06-10-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by timmynausea

Craziest rumor yet? This from the WVU board:

I'd dismiss it pretty completely, but the NW Rivals guy who seems to have a legit source said this today, which could be in reference to ND considering BE football:

What I'm wondering is even if ND decided to go this route, is it possibly too late? Will the other moves lead to ACC/SEC invites for Big East schools that will ravage BE football even if ND joins?

I think that if at least two BE schools are plucked by the other three major players, it would certainly put the BE on the ropes.

timmynausea · 06-10-2010, 03:08 PM

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Texas Hold 'Em: Longhorns, A&M To Big Ten

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- High level sources in multiple conferences have told KCTV5 that Texas and Texas A&M are looking to move to the Big Ten Conference and have petitioned for membership, while the University of Oklahoma is planning on petitioning the Southeastern Conference to become a member of its conference.
KCTV5's sources said that Texas and Texas A&M do not have to include Texas Tech or Baylor in their plans. Sources told KCTV5 that there have already been discussions about the two schools entering the Big Ten and that the agreement could be made as soon as Thursday.

Wow. This thing is just crazy. Here's the link: Texas Hold 'Em: Longhorns, A&M To Big Ten - Sports News Story - KCTV Kansas City

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 03:09 PM

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And OSU and WSU were founding members of the original Pacific Coast Conference in 1916. So I don’t think any of the three are going anywhere any time soon.

But I didn’t think Kansas would ever be a mid-major either, so what do I know.

Who else were founding members of the PAC-10? Montana, Idaho et al?

And they only need one Arizona team to have the Phoenix market, if it came down to that.

Warhammer · 06-10-2010, 03:09 PM

If Texas and A&M go to the Big 10, that means ND is done.

Ksyrup · 06-10-2010, 03:11 PM

Oh come on! This is getting ridiculous.

The next rumor could be the establishment of the Nanu Conference on the moon with the top 4 teams from the Big 12, Big 10, Pac 10, and SEC, and I wouldn't even bat an eye at this point.

Airhog · 06-10-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Texas Hold 'Em: Longhorns, A&M To Big Ten

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- High level sources in multiple conferences have told KCTV5 that Texas and Texas A&M are looking to move to the Big Ten Conference and have petitioned for membership, while the University of Oklahoma is planning on petitioning the Southeastern Conference to become a member of its conference.
KCTV5's sources said that Texas and Texas A&M do not have to include Texas Tech or Baylor in their plans. Sources told KCTV5 that there have already been discussions about the two schools entering the Big Ten and that the agreement could be made as soon as Thursday.

I think this is probably a very low probability of this occuring. especially since they claim that OU would move to the SEC

Poli · 06-10-2010, 03:12 PM

Where did I hear that this is eventually going to destroy the NCAA? I could see that happening.

Izulde · 06-10-2010, 03:13 PM

Wow, Texas and A&M to Big 10? That would be crazy unexpected.

timmynausea · 06-10-2010, 03:14 PM

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I think this is probably a very low probability of this occuring. especially since they claim that OU would move to the SEC

Who knows at this point? We do know that Texas and A&M met today, and then those two met with Tech and Baylor (possibly an "it's not you, it's me" style break-up). The fact that this is the first news to leak out there after those meetings makes me wonder.

Swaggs · 06-10-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

If Texas and A&M go to the Big 10, that means ND is done.

Why?

The Big Ten now probably just holds at 14 (w/ Nebraska, Texas, and ATM) until Notre Dame is ready/willing. Notre Dame remains status quo (unless they choose to go to the Big Ten).

The Pac 10 can nab Utah to go with Colorado and have their title game.

The Big 12 could still rebuild around Oklahoma and remain as viable as the Big East or ACC. They can add TCU, BYU and two others from the Texas schools, Memphis, or the MWC.

cuervo72 · 06-10-2010, 03:16 PM

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Oh come on! This is getting ridiculous.

The next rumor could be the establishment of the Nanu Conference on the moon with the top 4 teams from the Big 12, Big 10, Pac 10, and SEC, and I wouldn't even bat an eye at this point.

Actually I heard it was going to be called the Nanu Nanu Conference, and Colorado is required membership.

MJ4H · 06-10-2010, 03:16 PM

That one has virtually no shot of being accurate.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 03:16 PM

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That one has virtually no shot of being accurate.

Which one?

MJ4H · 06-10-2010, 03:18 PM

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Which one?

Sorry the one about UT and A&M to B10 along with OU to the SEC. I would place about 1% chance of that being true.

Swaggs · 06-10-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Wow, Texas and A&M to Big 10? That would be crazy unexpected.

Not really. It has been mentioned for quite some time and it makes more sense for Texas to join the Big Ten than the Pac 11. Same time zone, better academics all-around, and the Big Ten has an established revenue stream in place.

timmynausea · 06-10-2010, 03:18 PM

Chip Brown just tweeted: "There's a Kansas City TV report saying Texas and A&M to the Big Ten. That would be news to those schools."

I. J. Reilly · 06-10-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Who else were founding members of the PAC-10? Montana, Idaho et al?

And they only need one Arizona team to have the Phoenix market, if it came down to that.

Not sure if you really want to know or if you are just making fun of me, so I'll answer the question

I think the originals were: UW, WSU, UofO, OSU, Stanford and Cal

Swaggs · 06-10-2010, 03:19 PM

For all of the great journalism schools in the Midwest, they sure are willing to take just about anything and run with it on this story.

MJ4H · 06-10-2010, 03:21 PM

I'm pissed off that they keep talking about fucking USC and other shit on CFL and sportscenter. Fuck you USC for cheating and then being annoying when I want SPECULATION.

Poli · 06-10-2010, 03:23 PM

I heard Arkansas is going back to the SWC. How's that MJ?

Ksyrup · 06-10-2010, 03:23 PM

This stuff is definitely as addicting as baseball trade deadline, NFL draft, or MLB/NFL free agency talk/speculation.

Blade6119 · 06-10-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by I. J. Reilly

Not sure if you really want to know or if you are just making fun of me, so I'll answer the question

I think the originals were: UW, WSU, UofO, OSU, Stanford and Cal

We should dump UCLA, we only need one LA team to hold that market anyways

MJ4H · 06-10-2010, 03:24 PM

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I heard Arkansas is going back to the SWC. How's that MJ?

Hell it's better than hearing about Reggie Bush and games from 2004.

Poli · 06-10-2010, 03:25 PM

When exactly would the Big XII dissolve? At the end of next year's spring semester?

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Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Oh come on! This is getting ridiculous. The next rumor could be the establishment of the Nanu Conference on the moon with the top 4 teams from the Big 12, Big 10, Pac 10, and SEC, and I wouldn't even bat an eye at this point. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Where did I hear that this is eventually going to destroy the NCAA? I could see that happening. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Pretty official looking

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Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	The problem with Missouri is that it's decent in every category you can use to measure value, but always a distant second to someone else. Missouri is the plain girl you keep smiling at just in case while you ask others to the prom. If the Big Ten goes to 16, could be an interesting decision between Kansas and Missouri. So, yes or no, does Nebraska make the announcement tomorrow?

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MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	If it is true about OSU, kudos to them. They are essentially forcing OU's hand, and thus forcing UT to ignore the pleas of Baylor.

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Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	If ND winds up in the Big East I would be pissed as an Irish fan. If you want to be independent fine. But if you join a conference, go to the Big 10, not the Big East.

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DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	BTW the more I think about it, the more ND to the Big East makes too much sense. They can still (maybe) schedule Michigan and USC, and if they lose, so be it, they can make a ton of cash and still win the Big East. With these new conferences though I have my doubts that the Michigan/ND series continues, especially since there is nothing more then a verbal agreement to play every year forever basically.

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MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I was making an arbitrary statement off of a set of college rankings. ASU would be the most likely to stay of the three

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MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Texas Hold 'Em: Longhorns, A&M To Big Ten KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- High level sources in multiple conferences have told KCTV5 that Texas and Texas A&M are looking to move to the Big Ten Conference and have petitioned for membership, while the University of Oklahoma is planning on petitioning the Southeastern Conference to become a member of its conference. KCTV5's sources said that Texas and Texas A&M do not have to include Texas Tech or Baylor in their plans. Sources told KCTV5 that there have already been discussions about the two schools entering the Big Ten and that the agreement could be made as soon as Thursday.

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Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	If Texas and A&M go to the Big 10, that means ND is done.

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MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	That one has virtually no shot of being accurate.

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timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	Chip Brown just tweeted: "There's a Kansas City TV report saying Texas and A&M to the Big Ten. That would be news to those schools."

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MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	I'm pissed off that they keep talking about fucking USC and other shit on CFL and sportscenter. Fuck you USC for cheating and then being annoying when I want SPECULATION.

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