WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!!

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Norm, I changed my vote b/c I think I know what you are. I would suggest you reveal all of your scans before night if you are what I think you are. I would also suggest Poli protect you.

I may be wrong on this however.

Yeah, I was going to do this because I think I've dropped enough hints already, and since it appears this camp is at a loss for us it's important that we thin the sympathizers out a little bit. *Puts on Encyclopedia Brown hat*

On night 1 I investigated Lathum purely on reputation--he's Labor.
For the next few nights I chose to investigate those that went on the mission because I thought it was an absolute certainty a sympathizer would go there. Poli turned up as labor on night two. I chose Jackal on night 3 and he is definitely working the other side.

...and EF, I've read over my description a bunch of times and I'm only a x1 without a gun.

[Danny]

Looks like I was right

Vote Jackal

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Yeah, I was going to do this because I think I've dropped enough hints already, and since it appears this camp is at a loss for us it's important that we thin the sympathizers out a little bit. *Puts on Encyclopedia Brown hat*

On night 1 I investigated Lathum purely on reputation--he's Labor.
For the next few nights I chose to investigate those that went on the mission because I thought it was an absolute certainty a sympathizer would go there. Poli turned up as labor on night two. I chose Jackal on night 3 and he is definitely working the other side.

...and EF, I've read over my description a bunch of times and I'm only a x1 without a gun.

I am curious where PB stands, not trying to influence the scan but his flop on day 2 stood out to me more than yours did to be honest.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I agree.

This adds a very nice CoT for us with: BK, Poli, TheNorm and myself

This narrows down the list of other potential choices.

While I should not be in a trust list, I think my pushing so strong for Jackal yesterday should buy me a little bit of trust.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Danny

While I should not be in a trust list, I think my pushing so strong for Jackal yesterday should buy me a little bit of trust.

You'll make the second tier list.

[EagleFan]

This could be a nice run by the roled players. A duke to a sympathizer, seer reveals another and the BG with a block.

[Danny]

I'm also taking an assist for the scan on Jackal, TheNorm believed in my my read enough to scan him!

[PurdueBrad]

I will follow the Norm on this line of thinking as well.

vote the Jackal

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I will follow the Norm on this line of thinking as well.

vote the Jackal

This post sounds very odd considering Norm is the seer and outed a wolf, I don't think it's really following someone on a line of thinking.

[Danny]

1. Poli
2. Lathum
4. dubb
5. claphamsa
6. ntndeacon
7. USFLTecmo
8. TheNorm
9. EagleFan
10. Glengoyne
11. Chief Rum
12. DaddyTorgo
13. Danny
14. PurdueBrad
17. The Jackal
18. RendeR
19. Barkeep
20. jeheinz

We have a nice trust list going now.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Some people know I don't vote early, and here I am doing so now. That should tell you a lot.

Ummm, I thought Norm was staying a little tongue in cheek Danny, see what I'll quote below. Sorry for not announcing "NORM IS SEER, I WILL FOLLOW HIM WHEREVER HE MAY GO"

[PurdueBrad]

Dola- put quote in the wrong place, meant quote above.

[PurdueBrad]

Although NM, I also just saw his post above where he lists his scans. Sorry for not reading all the way through and voting when I saw Norm first announce it.

And can you pat yourself on the back and beg for trust a little more Danny, while we're over-analyzing quotes?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Yeah, I was going to do this because I think I've dropped enough hints already, and since it appears this camp is at a loss for us it's important that we thin the sympathizers out a little bit. *Puts on Encyclopedia Brown hat*

On night 1 I investigated Lathum purely on reputation--he's Labor.
For the next few nights I chose to investigate those that went on the mission because I thought it was an absolute certainty a sympathizer would go there. Poli turned up as labor on night two. I chose Jackal on night 3 and he is definitely working the other side.

...and EF, I've read over my description a bunch of times and I'm only a x1 without a gun.

I think this post made it pretty darn obvious

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Although NM, I also just saw his post above where he lists his scans. Sorry for not reading all the way through and voting when I saw Norm first announce it.

I think this quote should pretty well explain why I didn't see that one. I went with him immediately, didn't wait to read through.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Although NM, I also just saw his post above where he lists his scans. Sorry for not reading all the way through and voting when I saw Norm first announce it.

And can you pat yourself on the back and beg for trust a little more Danny, while we're over-analyzing quotes?

Come on, you know my post was very tongue in cheek.

[PurdueBrad]

I hope you know I'm just giving you shit and not being seriously pissy.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I think this quote should pretty well explain why I didn't see that one. I went with him immediately, didn't wait to read through.

Ok, fair enough then.

[PurdueBrad]

So what job is Jackal? I didn't keep a list but I'm wondering if we can narrow it down as there are no wolves that have duplicate responsibilities.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I hope you know I'm just giving you shit and not being seriously pissy.

You can be pissy, just don't piss on me . Even though I know we have to work long hours in a pretty tight space

[Danny]

TheNorm, obviously it's up to you, but I wouldn't mind a Chief Rum scan. He is dangerous as both villager and wolf, so knowing where his allegiance is would be a big help.

[PurdueBrad]

Danny, did you see my above question?

I'm just thinking: Pass was a hunter, as is Norm and Autumn was. 1 bad guy, 2 good.

If we look at jobs, we can narrow down our shots on this I think.

[Danny]

I'll look for Jackals job. But I do think we need to be cautious about thinking each job only got a maximum of 1 wolf. It may have been completely random.

[Danny]

1. Poli Searching
2. Lathum Food Distribution
3. Passacaglia Hunting
4. dubb Gladhandling
5. claphamsa Gladhandling
6. ntndeacon x3
7. USFLTecmo Patrolling
8. TheNorm
9. EagleFan Food Distribution
10. Schmidty
11. Chief Rum Patrolling
12. DaddyTorgo Oratory
13. Danny Food Distribution
14. PurdueBrad Oratory
15. Autumn Hunting
[dead]16. path Treasury[/dead]
17. The Jackal Searching
18. RendeR Searching
19. Barkeep Treasury
20. jeheinz Gladhandling

[Danny]

Render is the only other searcher and I do feel pretty good about him already.

[PurdueBrad]

Knowing Abe, that is very possible as he and his dice rule most things, but it may not be a bad idea. I'm just thinking that we would've been screwed if 2 wolves were on the same job because even had we caught and ousted them, that means we would lose our workers when those needs came up on a mission or camp.

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, exactly. Thanks Danny. I feel good about RendeR as well.

We should probably look oratory, patrolling, gladhanding, or food distribution. It doesn't narrow us a ton, but some.

[Danny]

Lathum, EF and I are the food distributors. Barring a cunning role, both EF and Lathum are good, so I know all food distribs are good.

[Danny]

We can also look at the voting now that we know Jackal is bad, so I will do that now.

[PurdueBrad]

Oratory: PB, DT
Patrolling: USFL, CR
Gladhanding: Dubb, Claph, Heinz
Food: Danny, Lathum, EF

From that list, EF and USFL are cleared and Danny has garnered some trust. That leaves PB, DT, CR, Dubb, Claph, Heinz, and Lathum.

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, forgot about Norm's scan on Lathum.

So that leaves PB, DT, CR, Dubb, Claph, and Heinz.

[PurdueBrad]

I figure we have 2 or 3 wolves remaining (4 or 5 for a 20 person game seems right), that means we have a 2/6 or 3/6 shot of hitting there. I like that possibility.

[PurdueBrad]

*remaining numbers are after the Jackal lynch.

[Danny]

914 EF Votes PB
986 Pass votes Poli
989 Pass unvotes Poli
991 Pass votes Poli
998 Poli votes Pass
1063 Heinze votes Autumn
1116 Clap votes Pass
1134 Lathum votes Render
1149 Poli unvotes pass
1154 Pass unvotes Poli
1154 Pass votes Clap
1166 Danny votes Jackal
1190 Autumn votes Render
1202 Poli votes the Jackal
1205 The Jackal votes Render
1209 Dubb votes Render
1216 Heinze unvotes Autumn
1216 Heinze votes Jackal
1250 Dubb unvotes render
1250 Dubb votes BK
1255 CR votes Autumn
1300 Dubb unvotes BK
1304 Dubb votes Jackal
1312 BK votes Jackal
1331 Pass unvotes Clap
1331 Pass votes Render
1334 PB votes Jackal
1340 EF unvotes PB
1340 EF votes Jackal
1341 Dubb unvotes JAckal
1341 Dubb votes Render
1354 Render votes Jackal
1358 USFL votes Schmidty
1361 Dubb unvotes render
1361 Dubb votes Schmidty
1370 TheNorm votes no lynch
1372 The Jackal unvotes Render
1372 The Jackal votes Schmidty
1372- EF unvotes Jackal
1372- EF votes PB
1377 The Jackal unvotes Schmidty
1377 The JAckal votes Render

Reposted from Lathum's post. Jeheinz made a key third vote on the Jackal. Clap put a second vote on Pass early. I think both are unlikely wolf moves.

Who stands out to me here is Dubb. He initially put a second vote on Render and then switched to BK around the time Pass put a vote on Render perhaps to spread out the wolves votes. Then then voted Jackal, but unvoted him when a convinient excuse for voting Schmidty came up. He was also pretty adamant about voting for schmidty the next day. Barring a scan, I see my vote going here next.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Oratory: PB, DT
Patrolling: USFL, CR
Gladhanding: Dubb, Claph, Heinz
Food: Danny, Lathum, EF

From that list, EF and USFL are cleared and Danny has garnered some trust. That leaves PB, DT, CR, Dubb, Claph, Heinz, and Lathum.

Is USFL trusted? I don't remember that

[PurdueBrad]

He was kidnapped like EF was, assumed that probably cleared him.

[Danny]

PB also put a pretty key vote on The Jackal as well.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

He was kidnapped like EF was, assumed that probably cleared him.

I think the wolves would definitely consider arresting their own if it meant the camps would fail. Especially since they get released pretty quickly.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Danny

Then then voted Jackal, but unvoted him when a convinient excuse for voting Schmidty came up. He was also pretty adamant about voting for schmidty the next day. Barring a scan, I see my vote going here next.

Yeah, but as the posts show, I damn near made this change as well. It's not an excuse for him but I'll say, the temptation was really there to vote for Schmidty just because it screwed us.

[Danny]

I also think USFL vote on Schmidty is a bit suspicious as it was clear at that point Render wasn't garnering enough support and Schmidty had a very convenient reason for voting him attached that a wolf could hide under.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Yeah, but as the posts show, I damn near made this change as well. It's not an excuse for him but I'll say, the temptation was really there to vote for Schmidty just because it screwed us.

Which is why it was a good wolf play to put Schmidty out there. It would be very tempting for a frustrated villager to go along with it and then when he came up clean, it would be very convenient to say we ousted someone who didn't work.

[Danny]

This is my list of players

Trust
Poli
Lathum
EagleFan
Barkeep
The Norm
Danny

Leaning towards trusting
Jeheinz
Claphamsa
Render

In the middle on
PurdueBrad
Chief Rum
Ntndeacon
Glengoyne
DaddyTorgo

Am suspicious of
Dubb
USFL

[PurdueBrad]

Cross-referencing your list and my list, I can narrow it to three that I would consider (and maybe a fourth as I'm consider the USFL arrest, although that move seems Hoopsian [he's my nemesis, so I measure any clever moves agains him, it's kind of like WWHD or What Would Hoops Do (in order to screw me over)]). So I would look DT, Dubb, CR, and yeah, I guess USFL.

Also, embarrassingly enough, it wasn't until three days ago that I realized Hoops wasn't playing. And I thought Alan was too for a while.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Cross-referencing your list and my list, I can narrow it to three that I would consider (and maybe a fourth as I'm consider the USFL arrest, although that move seems Hoopsian [he's my nemesis, so I measure any clever moves agains him, it's kind of like WWHD or What Would Hoops Do (in order to screw me over)]). So I would look DT, Dubb, CR, and yeah, I guess USFL.

Also, embarrassingly enough, it wasn't until three days ago that I realized Hoops wasn't playing. And I thought Alan was too for a while.

That's a good list I think. That's why I am hoping the scan is one of those so we can narrow down the choices.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE JACKAL

well done Norm!

[dubb93]

Since it seems I am going to be the vote tomarrow I would like to request I am the scan tonight. Atleast this way we get 1 more cleared villager.

[The Jackal]

Fudge.

[The Jackal]

Go sympathizers, you know who you are.

[Abe Sargent]

In late 1912, in order to stop the strikes in Cabin and Paint Creek, and after deploying all national guard units at these sites that WV had, Governor Glasscock orders representatives from the company and labor to meet in the House of Delegates chamber to work out the issues. Labor sent hundreds of their top representatives, while the companies failed to show, sending a single lawyer to say they were not interested in negotiations.

[The Jackal]

Why would we want to negotiate? Stranglehold, baby.