Maximum Football???

[Rizon]

[Ragone]

Originally Posted by bbor

This could be an awesome drinking game.

Everytime there is a spelling mistake....1 shot
Yardage bug.....1 shot
Logo infringment....2 shots
Etc,Etc

this won't work bbor.. we'd all be roasted before the game even got released

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Dude, why didn't you tell us that you were really from Wisconsin? It's not THAT embarassing. And to tell you the truth, I never fell for the whole Dutch Boy act. Really...football fans in The Netherlands? WhatEVAR!

Okay, I admit it, it was all a trick, the bad English, the football knowledge, it never made sense. The time I told y'all that wooden shoes and wind mills are no longer used in the Netherlands should have showed you all my true identity.

I'm really John Dixon, former Cleveland Browns linebacker, cut a day after being signed as a undrafted rookie free agent. I'm 47, had a wife, three kids from a previous marriage, and I've only gotten onto FOFC because I'm anxiously awaiting FOC. I actually never played volleyball and never even saw the Atlantic Ocean.

I didn't realize I misspelled my screen name with an additional I until now... I guess that the 19th attempt to sign on was just lucky.

By the way, it's actually Wiscounsin, I've got English roots.

Still, the Houston Oilers are still the best football team in Texas, no matter how many games the Dallas Cowboys will win!

[FrogMan]

just want to say that the First Baptist Church "Maixmum" sign and the "Cauiton, slippery when backpedaling" sign have me laughing like a little boy here, great stuf Rizon!

FM

[Toddzilla]

OK - these are the last logos that I could find - I was digging through the v43.323 of the "gold" copy for some time last night. Whew! Again, any similarity you may find between these logos and actual trademarked logos are purely coincidental and subject to adjudication:

[Karlifornia]

The rooster and the buffalo are amazing.

[Bee]

The Iraqi Information Director has announced no release today. Come back tomorrow.

[FrogMan]

Damn, just had this waiting in my inbox...

FM

[MizzouRah]

unconrollable laughter to start the morning...

[1stAnd10]

What a trainwreck.

If I paid $40 for the enjoyment I've gotten out of this thread it would be a much smarter purchase than $40 for that game.

[MizzouRah]

It's taking over my life.

[Ben E Lou]

The Minister Of Information strikes again...



http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=1059856

RE: Week of 2/13 - 2/12/2006 8:04:51 PM

Erik Rutins Administrator Posts: 6831 Joined: 3/28/2000 From: Vermont, USA Status: online

I think most gamers are used to the schedules followed by the mainstream publishers, which are aimed at retail distribution. Based on those schedules, the gap between gold master and retail shelf can be 4-6 weeks due to physical production times and distribution snags. However, that pretty much means that 4-6 weeks before release, someone can say "this game is going to be out in a month". In our case, that gap is much smaller. We don't see any reason to keep you all waiting an additional 4-6 weeks, so we often have only a few days between gold master and release. In a few cases, it's been as little as a day if previous release candidates were well tested and stable. To make a long story short, I've been working on finishing the GM this week and weekend. It looks likely that I'll have it finished and ready for final checks by tonight. That makes a release by Wednesday (15th) likely. If there's a final snag of some kind, I still couldn't see this pushed back beyond next Monday or Tuesday (20th/21st). So, like I said - a release in February is certain, mid-February is likely. Believe me when I say we have no reason to want to hold release info back, we're just waiting to be sure before giving out the exact date - we're not sitting on the finished gold master and throwing darts at a calendar... Regards, - Erik _____________________________ Erik Rutins Director of Product Development and Business Relations

but then today...
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=1073537

RE: Release Info - 2/28/2006 1:29:36 PM
Erik Rutins Administrator Posts: 6831 Joined: 3/28/2000 From: Vermont, USA Status: online	We are still working on the last issue on the list, no release today, sorry folks. Regards, - Erik _____________________________ Erik Rutins Director of Product Development and Business Relations

[Ben E Lou]

Dola:

Now that the link is posted, I wonder how long it will take for someone to bump the "a release in February is certain" comment. More good times a-comin' today, I would think.

[albionmoonlight]

Couple thoughts:

1.) I think that Baboonheart is one of our "well respected" posters over here. No reasoning behind that, just a gut feeling.

2.) I give lots of credit to Erik. I am sure that Matrix now realizes the problems they got when they signed up with Maximum Football. But they are not throwing Mr. Winter under the bus. They are doing what they can to take responsibility for the product themselves. For instance, when the movie showing the down and distance bug was posted, David Winter's response was (if you noticed) to shift the blame to Erik for posting the video taken from the Gold Master. Erik, graciously, did not tell David Winter to shove his Gold Master up his ass and point out that he did not actually program the game, but accepted the blame for the mistake himself.

Matrix made a mistake here by taking on M-F, but they are handling the mistake with class.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by tucker342

Man, I've got to say you guys have been on a role this entire thread... I salute thee! To make this thread complete we obviously need an antmeister song and a fiere cartoon.

I seriously thought about doing a flere tribute image, but I'll leave that to him. I'm getting better at Photoshop coming up with these.

[Mustang]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaa Daaaaaaaaaaaa Daaaaaaaaaa

DA DA

bom bom bom bom

(ok.. can't do the theme. )

[FrogMan]

anybody thinks this thread should be retitled "MAIXMUM FOOTBALL"?

FM

[Bee]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Couple thoughts:

1.) I think that Baboonheart is one of our "well respected" posters over here. No reasoning behind that, just a gut feeling.

2.) I give lots of credit to Erik. I am sure that Matrix now realizes the problems they got when they signed up with Maximum Football. But they are not throwing Mr. Winter under the bus. They are doing what they can to take responsibility for the product themselves. For instance, when the movie showing the down and distance bug was posted, David Winter's response was (if you noticed) to shift the blame to Erik for posting the video taken from the Gold Master. Erik, graciously, did not tell David Winter to shove his Gold Master up his ass and point out that he did not actually program the game, but accepted the blame for the mistake himself.

Matrix made a mistake here by taking on M-F, but they are handling the mistake with class.

Just wanted to say I agree. I think Erik is doing a good job, but is in a bad situation. I thought it was bad form for Daivd to hang Erik out to dry on the video thing.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Bee

Just wanted to say I agree. I think Erik is doing a good job, but is in a bad situation. I thought it was bad form for Daivd to hang Erik out to dry on the video thing.

It was HORRIBLE form by Daivd. Very, very unprofessional.

[SFL Cat]

Originally Posted by Antmeister71

...I seriously doubt he is going to be committed to squashing any bugs

Bah! Squashing bugs is a job for third-party modders.

[SFL Cat]

dola -- I agree about Erik over at Matrix. He's been a trooper, making the best of a bad situation. I'm sure he's downing a bottle of Maalox every day.

[Bee]

I think it's funny that the apologists are referring to us here as whining. The only whining I see are from them. We are criticizing (often harshly, but almost always with humor). There's a difference between whining and criticizing which obviously they understand on about the same level of clarity as the actual rules to football.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Couple thoughts:

1.) I think that Baboonheart is one of our "well respected" posters over here. No reasoning behind that, just a gut feeling.

2.) I give lots of credit to Erik. I am sure that Matrix now realizes the problems they got when they signed up with Maximum Football. But they are not throwing Mr. Winter under the bus. They are doing what they can to take responsibility for the product themselves. For instance, when the movie showing the down and distance bug was posted, David Winter's response was (if you noticed) to shift the blame to Erik for posting the video taken from the Gold Master. Erik, graciously, did not tell David Winter to shove his Gold Master up his ass and point out that he did not actually program the game, but accepted the blame for the mistake himself.

Matrix made a mistake here by taking on M-F, but they are handling the mistake with class.

I agree. I believe Matrix will do its best to try to minimize losses and to have everyone save face. I think they were promised something that was not delivered so that's why I thought about them just releasing this as a budget title and be done with it. The "last thing on the list" is just developer/publisher-speak for "last thing needed to make the game run before we call it 1.0". How it runs become irrelevant for a dead title.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Bee

I think it's funny that the apologists are referring to us here as whining. The only whining I see are from them. We are criticizing (often harshly, but almost always with humor). There's a difference between whining and criticizing which obviously they understand on about the same level of clarity as the actual rules to football.

I was going to come over here and post essentially the same thing...

I see no whining in this thread... I see serious questions.. I see mocking.. I see limmericking... I see damned funny photoshopping.... But I don't see ANY whining...

[KWhit]

The doctored images are starting to make their appearance on the MF forums.

[1stAnd10]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Couple thoughts:

1.) I think that Baboonheart is one of our "well respected" posters over here. No reasoning behind that, just a gut feeling.

2.) I give lots of credit to Erik. I am sure that Matrix now realizes the problems they got when they signed up with Maximum Football. But they are not throwing Mr. Winter under the bus. They are doing what they can to take responsibility for the product themselves. For instance, when the movie showing the down and distance bug was posted, David Winter's response was (if you noticed) to shift the blame to Erik for posting the video taken from the Gold Master. Erik, graciously, did not tell David Winter to shove his Gold Master up his ass and point out that he did not actually program the game, but accepted the blame for the mistake himself.

Matrix made a mistake here by taking on M-F, but they are handling the mistake with class.

I have to agree. Matrix is doing the best they can but a dog is a dog and sometimes you have to put it down.

I have a feeling Matrix didn't know the honest state of the game until recently and now they are stuck in a tough position. What's worse for them, release a crap game & try to recoup whatever money they have invested in it at the risk of damaging their reputation, or pull the plug on it and lose the money that they have already invested plus the flack they will get for doing it?

It's tough to be a small publisher and having to deal with indie game developers. For most indie's, game development is a hobby and they work on their games in their spare time. It has to be frustrating for the publisher to have money in something and you're depending on a guy who has a full time job to finish this investment. It also has to be frustrating from the developer's standpoint to have a company breathing down your neck everynight expecting you to finish a checklist of thing and upload a new build by 12-1am each night after you've probably finished a full time day of programming. But like I said, if you can't hack it, stick with game development as a hobby, once you cross over that money line, sympathy goes out the window. I'm sure Matrix and DW are getting frustrated with each other by this point in time.

Erik is usually more forthcoming with information. His post today struck me as having a different tone, either he's tiring of putting up with the trolls or there's more tension going on behind the scenes. I have a feeling it's a little of both.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by 1stAnd10

Erik is usually more forthcoming with information. His post today struck me as having a different tone, either he's tiring of putting up with the trolls or there's more tension going on behind the scenes. I have a feeling it's a little of both.

It appears that the uber-Mod for Matrix has now made an appearance. Some guy by the name of VicKevlar has laid down the law on cheap shots and personal attacks at the Matrix forums, while at the same time referring to us (I'm guessing) as the Vinnie and Doggie Mad Cow Steakhouse.

I guess he didn't take his fiber for the past month or so.

[1stAnd10]

If they banned everyone who complained about the game they'd have 2 people left posting in that forum. Erik & David.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by cartman

It appears that the uber-Mod for Matrix has now made an appearance. Some guy by the name of VicKevlar has laid down the law on cheap shots and personal attacks at the Matrix forums, while at the same time referring to us (I'm guessing) as the Vinnie and Doggie Mad Cow Steakhouse.

I guess he didn't take his fiber for the past month or so.

Gotta defend the Matrix guy again.. I'm somewhat with the others that these Matrix guys are not the bad-guys here...

http://www.madcowssteakhouse.com/

Looks like off of their main forum listings this is an actual forum...

[cartman]

Dola,

So I'm guessing Doggie is SkyDog. That ranks up there in smart moves along side doubting the power of a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick. The questions that remain are:

Who is Vinnie, and
Where did the steakhouse reference come from? If anything, they've been providing us the beef to feast on.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Gotta defend the Matrix guy again.. I'm somewhat with the others that these Matrix guys are not the bad-guys here...

http://www.madcowssteakhouse.com/

Looks like off of their main forum listings this is an actual forum...

Ah, I see. I thought he was referring to the "Funny read while you wait" post that led people over here.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by cartman

Ah, I see. I thought he was referring to the post that led people over here.

I did too at first, that's why I checked to make sure there wasn't really something called that (I figured, no way!)... but there it is, next to last link on their main forum listings...

[Coffee Warlord]

[Bee]

Originally Posted by wade moore

I did too at first, that's why I checked to make sure there wasn't really something called that (I figured, no way!)... but there it is, next to last link on their main forum listings...

He laid the smack down on druez early on before most of us started posting there as well. The post was almost the same word for word (I'm guessing he just copies and pastes it).

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Bee

He laid the smack down on druez early on before most of us started posting there as well. The post was almost the same word for word (I'm guessing he just copies and pastes it).

I did notice that.. the whole "I've checked your history, and this isn't the first time... I've got my eye on you"................... shakin in my boots!

[cartman]

Originally Posted by wade moore

I did notice that.. the whole "I've checked your history, and this isn't the first time... I've got my eye on you"................... shakin in my boots!

So:

VicKevlar in Matrix Forums = Ardent Enthusiast in the barracks?

[gstelmack]

After he started this whole thread, I want to know where Bubba Wheels got off to...

[Bee]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

After he started this whole thread, I want to know where Bubba Wheels got off to...

maybe he's busy posting as zowee over on the Max FB boards.

[KWhit]

Nah, he's been busy with his role as lead beta tester.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Bee

maybe he's busy posting as zowee over on the Max FB boards.

I was thinking he was masquerading as that German fanboy: Tullywhatever. Tullywhatever actually sent me a PM over at Matrixgames trying to get me to do something about the evil FOFCers badmouthing the paragon of perfection that has been the Maximum Football pre-release PR.

[Ben E Lou]

Heh. They deleted the "Funny Read While You Wait," thread that linked to FOFC.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Heh. They deleted the "Funny Read While You Wait," thread that linked to FOFC.

Well, there are 31 people viewing this thread right now and 22 people on the Max FB thread. I think I'd delete the link too.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Heh. They deleted the "Funny Read While You Wait," thread that linked to FOFC.

Blasphemy! People lost posts!

[SFL Cat]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

OK - these are the last logos that I could find - I was digging through the v43.323 of the "gold" copy for some time last night. Whew! Again, any similarity you may find between these logos and actual trademarked logos are purely coincidental and subject to adjudication:

The New York Jettys, Buffalo Big Woods, Indianapolis V's, Seattle Toucans, Philadelphia Roosters and Chicago Not The Bears...BRILLIANT!

I don't see how anyone could say these logos are copyright infringements! Well, maybe those FOFC haters would, but we all know how they are.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Bee

He laid the smack down on druez early on before most of us started posting there as well. The post was almost the same word for word (I'm guessing he just copies and pastes it).

Wasn't that Erik who told druez off? I could be wrong, but I did notice the similarity between the two posts...

[Bee]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Wasn't that Erik who told druez off? I could be wrong, but I did notice the similarity between the two posts...

nope, it was the same guy. Vic whatever

[cartman]

Wow, I guess they are planning a league to be based in the middle east:

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Okay, I admit it, it was all a trick, the bad English, the football knowledge, it never made sense. The time I told y'all that wooden shoes and wind mills are no longer used in the Netherlands should have showed you all my true identity.

I'm really John Dixon, former Cleveland Browns linebacker, cut a day after being signed as a undrafted rookie free agent. I'm 47, had a wife, three kids from a previous marriage, and I've only gotten onto FOFC because I'm anxiously awaiting FOC. I actually never played volleyball and never even saw the Atlantic Ocean.

I didn't realize I misspelled my screen name with an additional I until now... I guess that the 19th attempt to sign on was just lucky.

By the way, it's actually Wiscounsin, I've got English roots.

Still, the Houston Oilers are still the best football team in Texas, no matter how many games the Dallas Cowboys will win!

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Bee

nope, it was the same guy. Vic whatever

RE: Release Info - 2/28/2006 10:32:15 AM
VicKevlar Administrator Posts: 823 Joined: 1/4/2001 From: Minneapolis, MN Status: offline	quote: Ooooh...the spotlight is on me! I suppose I need a Bible to claim context is everything. But, if moderating a forum fishing for reasons to ban people gives you a feeling of power you can't get in real life, then by all means get off. Actually, in the entire history of Matrix Games only 5 users have been banned in perpetuity from the forums.

He needs some lessons in how to be a dictator sometimes, it would appear.

[Bee]

No kidding...Just 5? That's a slow week around here.