Werewolf CLX - Atlantic City - GAME OVER

[Chief Rum]

And, thanks both of you. This was a very difficult and intriguing ruleset, again. Autumn made it even more interesting than the Vegas game.

Narc you were terrific all game. Kudos in particular to yuo and to JAG, who just amazing for the village.

And the jackal not only was a strong villager throughout the game, but I felt I put a pretty compelling case up against him at the end, and he came in and stood up to that and helped keep Narc from running away with his wolf paranoia.

[JAG]

Opened up the out of game thread to you three finalists.

Out of game thread

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by JAG

Good job guys, especially Narc with the final deciding vote. Chief, really nice job hanging in there and almost pulled off a crazy comeback.

I'm better at the procedural stuff and working the rules than the actual finding of wolves. Without the extra day we'd have lost.

[Narcizo]

And working out who had what bids helped a lot.

Gut reads and normal analysis I'm not so good at.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Your explanation of day one and two was superb.

I had so much fun writing that one up. It didn't even occur to me to suggest that scenario until I started looking for it.

path12, as I noted, actually pointed the possibility out a week ago (I swear I drummed it up on my own and only saw his post after the fact). path12 was actually very good this game, and sorry I had to use your bank account. Well, you bought the hitman, I had to make use of you somehow.

Also, CW, I know you were getting upset the other day with how things were going. I felt you played a great game, too. Considering you were under suspicion for most of the game, to have kept off the lynch mob for so long is quite impressive.

I would love to hear from the Atlantic City mafia and hear what was going on in their camp.

[JAG]

Yes, I was just going to write that without Coffee's scan on Narc, the ending would have been tough for the village.

[mauchow]

Nicely done guys

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JAG

Yes, I was just going to write that without Coffee's scan on Narc, the ending would have been tough for the village.

Tough to say, actually. Yes, an uncleared Narc would have been scary. But if CW doesn't scan Narc, he scans me. Game over.

I killed mau because I thought he was going to win the seer that night.

[Chief Rum]

Or I should say, I felt mau had won the seer that night.

[The Jackal]

I am very glad I decided not to use the hitman

[The Jackal]

And I still fully admit what I did on N1 was ballsy and probably a dumb move, but it set a good chain of events in motion

[Autumn]

You villagers and your hitmen.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Or I should say, I felt mau had won the seer that night.

I thought he had also, he sold the reverse pretty well combined with mau's comment. That was what I meant about being lucky the scan was out there, as you had a 50-50 shot on who bought it.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JAG

I thought he had also, he sold the reverse pretty well combined with mau's comment. That was what I meant about being lucky the scan was out there, as you had a 50-50 shot on who bought it.

Really, I had no choice of killing CW. He was the only one who was clearly pinging everyone, even more than mau. I couldn't afford to kill him, because I needed the suspicuion of him for lynching purposes.

So it had to be mau, and I was hoping he would do me the favor of buying the seer too.

[JAG]

Autumn, thanks for running the game and particularly this rule set again. Like in the first one, I enjoyed the money / bid / bet management that gives you a lot of choices to make each day.

[Danny]

Honestly, I think Chief deserved the win more than Narc and Jackal :P.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

You villagers and your hitmen.

I know, right? They bought more hitmen than the wolf teams combined, I think.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Danny

Honestly, I think Chief deserved the win more than Narc and Jackal :P.

I have actually probably earned more than my fair share of Day One scans, lynches and nightkills in this one.

[Chief Rum]

So, Autumn, any thoughts on the game and the various decisions we all made?

[Autumn]

Well, it's funny how it turned out like the Vegas game. The wolves seemed ready to go home completely scoreless, and then turned around at the last moment. I can't remember if the last one came down to three people, but I think it might have.

This is one of those rulesets that can require more engagement with the rules than normal, and unfortunately for the wolves I think the majority of them were very busy early in teh game. That obviously cost them. I couldn't believe their bad luck as well - basically every scan and kill hit a wolf.

If not for the crazy avalance of events on the day Britrock got lynched, it probably would have been over quickly. But the wolves got every bit of luck in one day -happening to have the PI scan Brit, who had been framed, and having him turn out to be the Celeb with the hidden lynch rule. On top of that, JAG's bidding plan would have worked perfectly I think if they hadn't gotten Path in their pocket that very same day. This was very close to being a disastrous game for the wolves.

[Autumn]

Earlier in the game there were a lot of lost opportunities on both sides. A lot of missed bets or bids, and useful services just sitting there. I think keeping things to only one bid per person made the game better, but it resulted on a lot sitting on the table at times.

[Autumn]

I revealed a lot fo the secrets in JAG's thread so I'll try to remember what you guys don't know here. One is the Mafias' secret rule. If they discovered a member of the opposite mafia either through the PI or killer they could offer that person an amoun tof money the next night secretly. If that was more than the person had in their account, they were converted.

When converted they still remained in chat with their former family. they didn't learn the names of the other family. But they now won with the others. I was hoping this would result in some amusing mafia paranoia never knowing if their teammates had been converted, but htat didn't really work out. I've always liked the idea of that kind of conversion, especially in a rules-heavy game like this where they might lie about their bids or money to each other. So it was a bummer that Danny got scanned as soon as he was converted. Another bit of bad luck for the wolves.

[fontisian]

So close! Well done Chief and all you villagers.

[DaddyTorgo]

Never been much of a "postgamer" but I have to apologize to my mafia teammates for my miserable play this game. In fact our whole mafia-team was commiserating that we were all fairly disconnected from the game and uncoordinated.

So I think we made it extra hard on the other team - nice to see they were able to string it out for a while though.

[Coffee Warlord]

First game I ever lost my temper in. Still feel bad about that.

Glad everything worked out, even though I had to fall on my sword in the end.

AND I FUCKING TOLD YOU PEOPLE THEY COULDN'T DO MULTIPLE BIDS.

[path12]

Yeah village! Good job to all three of you, that last day and a half was fun to read.

[JAG]

When you LV folk scanned me N1, did you think I was a villager or mafia? Or did you care?

[Autumn]

I couldn't believe how the village was running in circles about the bids that day. The village kept saying "something's funny with Path because of blackmarket services" and then "based on all the rules we know, nobody could have made that bid." And yet never seemed able to put the two together. It's one of those things that seems blindingly obvious from the outside,but I know when I'm playing things like that are always going over my head too.

[britrock88]

I've been shaking my head at this thread for a week. Glad you got the last vote right, Narc!

[britrock88]

Also, it's fun to be associated with a "disaster."

BTW, Autumn, did DV hit a win condition by surviving me?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JAG

When you LV folk scanned me N1, did you think I was a villager or mafia? Or did you care?

I was primarily the one who picked you there, as I really did win the scan, and I wanted you to be mafia. I had no reason to think so; I was just looking at a chance to convert a strong player.

Incidentally, I also won the seer on Day Two. But I couldn't explain my $1100 bid (fontisian won the Money Hole, and that became like free money for us) so I suggested Zinto use my scan of The Jackal to build trust for himself.

It was Zinto who ended up finding Danny. He bought the nightkill, and I was thinking we should go after a couple more open options (Danny was really busy and not in thread much), but he thought Danny would be a good choice. So he went that route and found us an AC mafia dude. Too bad Danny got scanned the same day we made our "offer."

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Also, it's fun to be associated with a "disaster."

BTW, Autumn, did DV hit a win condition by surviving me?

No, DV's major win condition as Paparazzi was to find you and get pictures of you. He was having internet troubles though and so didn't get a lot of searches in.l . The funny thing was that on the two nights you both searched for each other you both picked the same targets. There was one night I think you both scanned Jackal, and one night you both scanned Path.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Too bad Danny got scanned the same day we made our "offer."

I'm pretty sure Danny only had $3. He spent 1K on the night kill and went after JAG I think so I had to lend him $5 so he could bid on something. We decided early on to save our money for night kills (Well I say early so I think it was day 3 since we didn't IM each other day one)

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

I'm pretty sure Danny only had $3. He spent 1K on the night kill and went after JAG I think so I had to lend him $5 so he could bid on something. We decided early on to save our money for night kills (Well I say early so I think it was day 3 since we didn't IM each other day one)

Well, after accepting our offer, he had $3000 more. Unfortunately, by the time he saw that, he was probably already well on his way to getting lynched in a runaway.

[Autumn]

Yeah, not only did they lose Danny but sent him a ton of money right before he got lynched, lol. I really felt bad for thewolves at this stage.

[Danny]

At least I died a wealthy man ! I spent it all on booze and one night with Allison Brie before going out.

[Danny]

And DT, no need to apologize, as a team we were all prett futile. I was busy at work, sick and then I tore up my ankle, so I was awful as well.

[The Jackal]

I just realized I survived as a villager to the end in both of these games, felt better about this one though

[The Jackal]

Wouldn't be surprised if there is a trilogy in the making

[The Jackal]

So busy at work these days, definitely can't provide the level of analysis I'd like to, but man did I miss playing in these.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Danny

At least I died a wealthy man ! I spent it all on booze and one night with Allison Brie before going out.

There are far worse fates...

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Incidentally, I also won the seer on Day Two. But I couldn't explain my $1100 bid (fontisian won the Money Hole, and that became like free money for us) so I suggested Zinto use my scan of The Jackal to build trust for himself.

Surprised you suspected Jackal was mob. Fontisian seems like a way out option for the mob to hit on the first night when there's no bodyguard.

[Narcizo]

Thanks for running the game Autumn - I love the bet/bid dynamics. I wish there could have been more involvement at the start. With 20 players who had the time to invest it would have been epic.

I think the village slipped into auto-pilot when we were just scanning wolves all the time so when things went against us it was very difficult to adjust. And the vote records were pretty useless as well. It's easy to say that we should have realised what was happening with Path but that's always easier to see when you're sitting outside of the game. I think I suggested it a few times but no-one else seemed to be listening and, like I said, I was coming up with pretty much every explanation under the sun so I was bound to get it right at some stage.

Of course a game that goes over a week is going to take its toll on me mentally, as I think you can say on the last day with my attempts to unvote Chief. Glad I could hold it together enough to see the one piece of real evidence in the whole thing.

Who did bid on the casino manager on day five?

[Narcizo]

And I get the Danny/Crimson Fox award for biggest contribution to the post count. Woohoo!

[mauchow]

I can't believe still that u didn't make me paparazzi from the get go...

[Autumn]

Heh, I knew no one would believe that, Mau. I was hoping Darth would get in the lead and try revealing, lol.

[Autumn]

If my notes are right, Narc, I think Zinto won the Casino Manager that day.

[Autumn]

The Casino Manager basically awarded you the House's profits so far. Since in this game you could split your bet there were always some profits left over from every lynch htat pooled in the House. So that turned out to be very profitable.

Oh and Murray actually used the thug on himself. Another wolf gambit that didn't end up helping them out as it didn't help to clear him at all. He also had control of two votes at one point because of villagers using the black market, but the vote was such a landslide it didn't matter.

[Autumn]

And the arms dealer turned a wolf into a brutal. Again, the wolves got hosed as Murray won that but the village wisely avoided lynching him. things like htat were why I was fine with Path getting put in the mob's pocket, as the village had gotten huge gains from using the black market.

if a villager had bought the arms dealer it would have made them Tough. Nobody bid on the cunning role, luckily for hte village I guess, lol

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Oh and Murray actually used the thug on himself. Another wolf gambit that didn't end up helping them out as it didn't help to clear him at all.

Ha, that's funny. I actually thought the other wolf team bought it, figured out he was on the opposite team, and used it against him, so I thought it was incriminating rather than clearing.