POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Edward64]

Thanks Joe. Right call

[thesloppy]

It does instantly shift the burden and question of age and incapability entirely back to the GOP. Lots of positive angles (or wishful thinking) to this that I didn't even consider.

Even though I dislike Harris, as mentioned in this thread before, a female candidate would allow a shift of focus to abortion, where dems dominate in public opinion. Two 80-year old white dudes yelling about post-birth abortions doesn't really move the needle.

[GrantDawg]

I woman did beat Trump by 2% points, almost 3 million votes, in 2016.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I woman did beat Trump by 2% points, almost 3 million votes, in 2016.

That's true, but voting access has gotten...oh, right.

[Ksyrup]

Driving my parents back to NC when the news broke. Had to hear about what a POS Biden is and that everyone knows Obama is the puppetmaster running the show.

[Danny]

Im glad Biden made this decision. Even if Kamala is a mid candidate, I feel excited and rejuvenated knowing theres at least a chance. I cant imagine i am alone.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Driving my parents back to NC when the news broke. Had to hear about what a POS Biden is and that everyone knows Obama is the puppetmaster running the show.

Looks like you’re the one when they say that 3 out of 4 Americans disapprove with the Democrats running the country right now.

[Vegas Vic]

Trump now at -159 and Harris at +275 on the betting markets.

Presidential Betting Odds

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Looks like you’re the one when they say that 3 out of 4 Americans disapprove with the Democrats running the country right now.

Trump isn't popular, Biden isn't popular, house approval rating is embarrassingly low, senate approval is terrible, SCOTUS approval is historically low.

It has nothing to do with dems. People are fed up with our politicians.

[RainMaker]

You can tell it was the right decision based on how mad the MAGA people are.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

You can tell it was the right decision based on how mad the MAGA people are.

Trump is going to defend Biden and attack the dem party. It's predictable.

[Ksyrup]

He's already called him unfit for office from the beginning, so I don't think he'll be defending the ancient guy who's only 3 years older than him.

[Kodos]

Thanks, Joe. We needed this!

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

He's already called him unfit for office from the beginning, so I don't think he'll be defending the ancient guy who's only 3 years older than him.

They are of course appealing to conspiracy as best they can, saying everybody in the party and Harris were 'in on it' and hiding Biden's condition from the public.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

He's already called him unfit for office from the beginning, so I don't think he'll be defending the ancient guy who's only 3 years older than him.

Part of how he attacked Hillary was defending Bernie and saying the dems screwed him. I'm expecting something similar here.

[GrantDawg]

Nvm

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Trump now at -159 and Harris at +275 on the betting markets.

Presidential Betting Odds

That is showing Pete as the VP favorite but not by much over Whitmer.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

That is showing Pete as the VP favorite but not by much over Whitmer.

I think it's going to be a white male. Pete, Shapiro, etc.

[Danny]

Its wrong but I think she needs a white male as her VP

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I think it's going to be a white male. Pete, Shapiro, etc.

I think so as well, and I think Pete makes some sense, but then I think it might be smarter to pick a Governor or someone who has at least won a statewide election.

[RainMaker]

Pete is such a fucking loser. Why do people like him?

I don't think any of the big names are going to want to be her VP since its still likely she will lose. I think Beshear has to be the top choice.

[Ksyrup]

As a practical matter, how much does Harris having access to the campaign funds work in her favor? Like, is that a deal maker for her to be the candidate?

[Atocep]

Usually VP picks don't matter, but we're in uncharted territory here so you never know. I like Pete, but I don't think he'd be a strong choice. He's easy to attack. His strength is in debates and you're pretty limited on time here and VP debates are largely a waste of time.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

As a practical matter, how much does Harris having access to the campaign funds work in her favor? Like, is that a deal maker for her to be the candidate?

I think the campaign infrastructure already being in place is bigger than the money. It's easy to make that swap when they're on the same ticket.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

As a practical matter, how much does Harris having access to the campaign funds work in her favor? Like, is that a deal maker for her to be the candidate?

It never really mattered. Biden could always have transferred it to the DNC. It was just used by Biden diehard as a lie to keep pressure off him to step down.

[JPhillips]

Now make everything about Trump. If the election is Trump or not Trump, Dems will win.

[Danny]

Yep, the focus can now be off bidens age and mental capacity. Keep focus on trump and they key issues and drill on it day after day.

[CrimsonFox]

can we have Bernie now?

[thesloppy]

An all female and/or all black ticket would be interesting, just lean into the Trump/MAGA hate.

[Dutch]

The Republican convention proved the Republicans are all in for everyone. Unity is the key. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, men and women are all in this together. No lawfare, no desperate assassinations, just love for America and all Americans. I look forward to the next leader of the Democrats to join in with that message so we can all make America great again.

[CrimsonFox]

And what is there plan now? What? You say they don't have a plan? Oh yeaaaaah right they never have a plan.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The Republican convention proved the Republicans are all in for everyone. Unity is the key. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, men and women are all in this together. No lawfare, no desperate assassinations, just love for America and all Americans.

I'm really not sure how you type this with a straight face.

[CrimsonFox]

Did anyone bother asking if Harris wanted the job?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

I'm really not sure how you type this with a straight face.

botox

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Pete is such a fucking loser. Why do people like him?

I don't think any of the big names are going to want to be her VP since its still likely she will lose. I think Beshear has to be the top choice.

Also, you are hilarious.

"Biden has to drop out. Everyone hates Biden!"

/Joe drops out

"Nobody likes Harris! Nobody likes Pete! All the Democrats suck! (Except for maybe the guy from Kentucky, nobody really cares about that guy.)"

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Did anyone bother asking if Harris wanted the job?

I didn't get the chance

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The Republican convention proved the Republicans are all in for everyone. Unity is the key. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, men and women are all in this together. No lawfare, no desperate assassinations, just love for America and all Americans. I look forward to the next leader of the Democrats to join in with that message so we can all make America great again.

I thought you were just trolling this thread, but this pretty much confirms it. The party of white males and hate has now become the unity party overnight. Ok bro.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Also, you are hilarious.

"Biden has to drop out. Everyone hates Biden!"

/Joe drops out

"Nobody likes Harris! Nobody likes Pete! All the Democrats suck! (Except for maybe the guy from Kentucky, nobody really cares about that guy.)"

What is it you like about Mayor Pete? I didn't follow his run as the mayor of tiny South Bend, but have seen his disastrous run as Transportation Secretary.

Kamala is better than Biden. I don't think she's a good candidate but actually gives Dems a chance. Do we have to pretend Kamala is good and people love her and just ignore 2020?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The Republican convention proved the Republicans are all in for everyone. Unity is the key. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, men and women are all in this together. No lawfare, no desperate assassinations, just love for America and all Americans. I look forward to the next leader of the Democrats to join in with that message so we can all make America great again.

lol

[bronconick]

Nick Castellanos hit a home run today, which makes perfect sense.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

What is it you like about Mayor Pete? I didn't follow his run as the mayor of tiny South Bend, but have seen his disastrous run as Transportation Secretary.

Kamala is better than Biden. I don't think she's a good candidate but actually gives Dems a chance. Do we have to pretend Kamala is good and people love her and just ignore 2020?

We should sort of pretend that until the election is over yes. She needs full support until after the election (then whatever)

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Do we have to pretend Kamala is good and people love her and just ignore 2020?

People ignored Joe's 1988 and 2008 failed Presidential campaigns in 2020. It is almost as if time and experience changes things.

[GrantDawg]

Pete not named...

CNN’s @jamiegangel says sources close to the Vice-President say these are some of the names being discussed as her running mate:

Arizona Senator Mark Kelly
Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear
North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro

— Yashar Ali �� (@yashar) July 21, 2024

[JPhillips]

Don't give up the AZ senate seat, but otherwise that's a good list.

[GrantDawg]

The biggest winner? Maya Rudolf.

[JPhillips]

So if Biden is too old and Trump will be older than Biden is in four years, doesn't that make Trump too old?

[Atocep]

Governors are generally popular and much less costly than replacing a senate seat. Especially one that isn't up for reelection until 2028.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So if Biden is too old and Trump will be older than Biden is in four years, doesn't that make Trump too old?

No because he has an R next to his name and he's all about unity and being bipartisan now compared to that partisan hack Biden.

Well as long as you're not from south of our border, a muslim coutry, China, a woman, a cheating democrat, gay, trans, black, jewish, a veteran, or a federal employee.

[JPhillips]

I was talking to my wife yesterday that if Trump wins our Chinese daughter will need to start carrying her passport everywhere she goes so she can prove her citizenship if required.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I was talking to my wife yesterday that if Trump wins our Chinese daughter will need to start carrying her passport everywhere she goes so she can prove her citizenship if required.

It's really amazing how the GOP is normalizing asking people for their papers...