Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[DaddyTorgo]

his analysis. His trust of me. The fact that he's completely not-involved in either of these circles.

[st.cronin]

Why do you think he trusts you?

I'm in general pretty confused about why people trust who they trust ... other than RA, of course.

[DaddyTorgo]

because I was onto path early and didn't move my vote, and pushed big for AE

[Neon_Chaos]

Ooops. Sorry DT, I was AFK.

[DaddyTorgo]

that's okay NC. Just curious what you think of RA versus the Anxiety/Cronin/Lathum triangle at this point

[st.cronin]

Ok, that makes sense. Give me a reason to trust Neon, other than his analysis and the fact that he trusts you.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm actually torn about the RA/Lathum vote right now. We need to hear from Lathum first.

I would have wanted to see a PurdueBrad/ChiefRum showdown.

But then all the shit hit the fan.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

No. I cannot guard anybody. I can make somebody guard ME, or I can entirely block somebody's activity, or I can change somebody's vote. I cannot tell somebody to guard somebody other than me.

Yeah, you bg at the source instead of at the target, but you still bg.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think we're pretty clear on what CR is.

So cronin...neither you nor anxiety will vouch for lathum over RA right?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, that makes sense. Give me a reason to trust Neon, other than his analysis and the fact that he trusts you.

Only two people have voted for both path12 and ardent enthusiast, leading to their demise.

Me and DaddyTorgo.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Yeah, you bg at the source instead of at the target, but you still bg.

No, the ONLY player that I can guard is me. And even then I have to KNOW who is a bodyguard. I tried to get you to bodyguard me, but it didn't work. It only worked with Lathum.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I think we're pretty clear on what CR is.

So cronin...neither you nor anxiety will vouch for lathum over RA right?

I am not clear on what CR is. And I AM vouching for Lathum over RA.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Only two people have voted for both path12 and ardent enthusiast, leading to their demise.

Me and DaddyTorgo.

I've explained why I was more skeptical than anybody else of the path vote analysis, but I'll buy that as a light layer of trust for both of you.

[DaddyTorgo]

could RA really be an evil-seer, or a titan fake role-revealing? that would be very ballsy, especially considering how many players he has claimed to scan.

I almost think we go with the traditional WW-play which would be to take out Lathum in order to test RA, the only wrinkle being that if Lathum is the BG and things got messed-up somehow by the Crious guy then we're offing the only person who can protect RA.

[st.cronin]

Why is it necessary for RA to be lying? Why isn't it possible for him to simply be wrong, because of some game mechanic?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Do not vote for Lathum, he IS the bodyguard. I know this for 100% now.

So what do you make of RA and this conflict then? I haven't really felt Lathum to be lying or a bad guy at all, so RA's comments took me by surprise. I have trusted RA as well. So to have this conflict between two players I have some trust in this game is a bit disconcerting. I would rather be voting for Racer.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alright, now that I've read what Cronin said, let me

unvote Lathum

...awaiting Cronin's explanation and ideas to proceed.

Agreed. Let's try to figure this out.

UNVOTE LATHUM

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Telle

I don't know that Raiders Army is Apollo, but I know that Apollo is in the game.

Is it possible that a Titan could have an ability to guard someone?

How do you know Apollo is in the game?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

How do you know Apollo is in the game?

Go back several pages. Telle's explanation is there.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

VOTE CHIEF RUM

This is my vote.

Not that there aren't reasons, I acknowledge, but you mind actually explaining your vote instead of hit and running? Why me over the others?

Consider also that if the running theory is (if I am not Briareus, but Medusa, as was suggested earlier), that killing me doesn't help the Olympians with respect to the winning ratio.

With the choices out there and the fact killing me either does great harm (as Briareus, which I am) or at most not much good (as Medusa, a monster), what value is there in voting me this go around. The fact you don't see that makes me much more suspicious of you, and moves me closer to voting for Lathum.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Go back several pages. Telle's explanation is there.

Could you save me some trouble and give a brief "what happened" explanation?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Not that there aren't reasons, I acknowledge, but you mind actually explaining your vote instead of hit and running? Why me over the others?

Consider also that if the running theory is (if I am not Briareus, but Medusa, as was suggested earlier), that killing me doesn't help the Olympians with respect to the winning ratio.

With the choices out there and the fact killing me either does great harm (as Briareus, which I am) or at most not much good (as Medusa, a monster), what value is there in voting me this go around. The fact you don't see that makes me much more suspicious of you, and moves me closer to voting for Lathum.

Who should I vote for, then? I'm honestly at a loss.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Who should I vote for, then? I'm honestly at a loss.

You and me both, actually. I say Racer. I know he isn't who he says he is, but I know that because of my abilities. No one else can accept that unless they accept what I am saying is the truth, so that puts you all in the same boat with as they are with you and RA and Anxiety and everyone else "vouching" for everyone else.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You and me both, actually. I say Racer. I know he isn't who he says he is, but I know that because of my abilities. No one else can accept that unless they accept what I am saying is the truth, so that puts you all in the same boat with as they are with you and RA and Anxiety and everyone else "vouching" for everyone else.

That part late in the post above should read puts you all in the same boat with me as you are with you (cronin) and RA and Anxiety and everyone else...

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You and me both, actually. I say Racer. I know he isn't who he says he is, but I know that because of my abilities. No one else can accept that unless they accept what I am saying is the truth, so that puts you all in the same boat with as they are with you and RA and Anxiety and everyone else "vouching" for everyone else.

Chief, I must have missed it, who did Racer claim to be? I'm assuming it was one of your scans that proved this role wasn't in play.

[st.cronin]

What about PurdueBrad, Chief?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

VOTE CHIEF RUM

This is my vote.

This does us no good. Vote for me or vote for Lathum. Either believe me or not. He is a Titan.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I am not clear on what CR is. And I AM vouching for Lathum over RA.

WTF? You are a Titan then.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

WTF? You are a Titan then.

Ok, then vote for me.

[Raiders Army]

How many times do I effin have to say it: I am 100% sure Lathum is a Titan. Either vote for me or vote for him!

When you're discussing a Racer vote, Chief Rum and cronin, you're distracting everyone from this. Chief Rum is a self-avowed Titan and we're taking his freakin word that he's sympathetic! If his win conditions were with us, then he'd be going for a known Titan (Lathum) or worst case scenario known Titan the next day (moi). Why the hell bring Racer into it at this point???

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, then vote for me.

Nice. Try to spread out the vote some more. I'm sticking with my vote for a known Titan. You guys were too stupid to realize that I'm Apollo.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

This does us no good. Vote for me or vote for Lathum. Either believe me or not. He is a Titan.

Everything's been a nice distraction, but the bottom line is that a decision between RA and Lathum must be made.

Vote Lathum

[st.cronin]

*sigh*

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, then vote for me.

If Lathum turns out as a Titan, I doubt that there is any other option.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

If Lathum turns out as a Titan, I doubt that there is any other option.

And if he shows up as an Olympian, then we lynch our seer? I don't know why people aren't considering that both are who they say they are.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Could you save me some trouble and give a brief "what happened" explanation?

Telle announced her role, and says that while using her role, she detected Apollo scanning her. RA has gone on to say that he did scan Telle, and has since vouched for myself and DaddyT.

Now, we need to see if RA is lying. It's a 1-1 exchange, not different from yesterday. RA or Lathum.

I trust RA right now, and he is in my CoT. We will see what happens in the upcoming vote.

[st.cronin]

Let me be clear: I KNOW Lathum is the bodyguard. I BELIEVE RA is the seer. I won't vote for either one, today, or tomorrow, and will do what I can to keep them from getting lynched.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

And if he shows up as an Olympian, then we lynch our seer? I don't know why people aren't considering that both are who they say they are.

I understand the dilemma, st.cronin, but RA says he is 100% sure.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Chief Rum is a self-avowed Titan and we're taking his freakin word that he's sympathetic! If his win conditions were with us, then he'd be going for a known Titan (Lathum) or worst case scenario known Titan the next day (moi). Why the hell bring Racer into it at this point???

If you can't understand why I would consider voting for the one person I know is lying, you must be stupid (tongue in cheek, considering you just called us all stupid).

If I absolutely know Lathum is a Titan, I will vote for him. In fact, I already did, but retracted to consider after cronin's reveal. Did you just skip over that?

You obviously can't connect yourself into what we're seeing. We can't have the same trust in this as you do, becuase we have to trust more people than you do to accept it. And it's pretty crappy for you to be calling people stupid for not seeing that when this sort of situation is a normal WW result.

FWIW, I do believe you are Apollo and I am still strongly leaning toward Lathum. Forgive me for being cautious, though, and taking back my vote until I hear from more people than your esteemed self.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I understand the dilemma, st.cronin, but RA says he is 100% sure.

And he can't possibly imagine a game mechanic where he is wrong...

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Let me be clear: I KNOW Lathum is the bodyguard. I BELIEVE RA is the seer. I won't vote for either one, today, or tomorrow, and will do what I can to keep them from getting lynched.

Hmmmm... you want to explore Chief Rum's reveal, then? I am not against doing this either, given that it is possible that RA and Lathum are both good guys.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

And if he shows up as an Olympian, then we lynch our seer? I don't know why people aren't considering that both are who they say they are.

No you don't lynch me. If he shows up as an Olympian, obviously his reveal will be false. Again, how many times do I have to say it: Lathum is a Titan. Stop being so obtuse.

[Neon_Chaos]

Chief Rum says that Odysseus does not exist in the game. Racer is believed to be Odysseus after debating with ardent yesterday.

Cheif, you are willing to go head to head with Racer to prove this?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

And if he shows up as an Olympian, then we lynch our seer? I don't know why people aren't considering that both are who they say they are.

This is actually what my gut is saying. There's some mechanic at work here, probably as the result of some Titan ability. If so, well done, Titans. I think they may have compelled a bad scan by RA or they may caused you to misleadingly believe Lathum is the BG. I would lean more toward the former than the latter because you visited Lathum twice.

But all this is assuming you're telling the truth, and I am still not sure how vouched you are either (anymore than me, I acknowledge).

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

If you can't understand why I would consider voting for the one person I know is lying, you must be stupid (tongue in cheek, considering you just called us all stupid).

If I absolutely know Lathum is a Titan, I will vote for him. In fact, I already did, but retracted to consider after cronin's reveal. Did you just skip over that?

You obviously can't connect yourself into what we're seeing. We can't have the same trust in this as you do, becuase we have to trust more people than you do to accept it. And it's pretty crappy for you to be calling people stupid for not seeing that when this sort of situation is a normal WW result.

FWIW, I do believe you are Apollo and I am still strongly leaning toward Lathum. Forgive me for being cautious, though, and taking back my vote until I hear from more people than your esteemed self.

Yeah, that's the beer kickin' in. Just have strong feelings here. I guess if I were on the other side of the fence I'd have some reservations as well. I forgive you for being cautious if you forgive me for calling you (and others) stupid.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Hmmmm... you want to explore Chief Rum's reveal, then? I am not against doing this either, given that it is possible that RA and Lathum are both good guys.

My vote is ON Chief Rum. Anxiety presented a case whereby he inadvertently forced CR to kill hoops ... that seems totally plausible to me, but nobody is even talking about it.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Chief Rum says that Odysseus does not exist in the game. Racer is believed to be Odysseus after debating with ardent yesterday.

Cheif, you are willing to go head to head with Racer to prove this?

Oh yes. Just like RA has confidence in his ability, so do I in mine. And mine was absolute--there is no Odysseus in this game. Racer is lying, and I would go head to head with him over that.

[Raiders Army]

Uh...yeah, I forgive you no matter what of course. Just came out wrongly.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My vote is ON Chief Rum. Anxiety presented a case whereby he inadvertently forced CR to kill hoops ... that seems totally plausible to me, but nobody is even talking about it.

Anxiety forced me to reveal that Hades is in the game. I didn't kill hoops. The Titans did.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Oh yes. Just like RA has confidence in his ability, so do I in mine. And mine was absolute--there is no Odysseus in this game. Racer is lying, and I would go head to head with him over that.

I'm willing to go head-to-head as well with Lathum. I say settle one thing at a time, eh? If we split votes between a Lathum/moi showdown and a Racer/CR showdown, we won't learn as much as we would if it was a two-way showdown.