Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE - Page 37

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 05:26 PM

call me a werewolf newbie, but what exactly is duke powers?

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

LOL. You think I am the chaos duke? Wow, then I am one great player to be accusing everyone and their brother and still not be lynched. If you really wanted to, you could get all your brothers in arms to vote for me and the people here will lynch me.

As annoying as you and St.cronin have been this past day or two in totally hindering us from trying to systematically route out chaos, I think the best play is to probably vote Mustang despite what Grey said.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

call me a werewolf newbie, but what exactly is duke powers?

The duke can change the target once per game at lynch time. Very powerful ability, and very powerful bargaining chip.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

call me a werewolf newbie, but what exactly is duke powers?

Duke powers allows you usually to one time change the vote to kill someone else at your choosing.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 05:30 PM

i just hope mustang will post sometime, if he was chaos, he should be able to tell us who the other chaos are right?

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:30 PM

Unlike the chaos assassin, who can attack at will, never be successful, and wait until mid-game to start attacking.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

i just hope mustang will post sometime, if he was chaos, he should be able to tell us who the other chaos are right?

Wow, nice setup. I look forward to this information.

saldana · 09-04-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

What do you think after hearing that Grey said he was now loyal to the emperor? Are you holding your vote on him?

To me, if they choices are between you, Chief Rum, st. cronin, and Mustang, I think the information you provided, and the fact that Alan cleared you earlier, makes me lean towards voting for Mustang.

i dont know what to think of grey's story...but having not heard a thing from mustang about what he was doing, and the fact that he was in 2 of my visions, and both nights, there were attacks, makes me not buy the "unconverted" story.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

i dont know what to think of grey's story...but having not heard a thing from mustang about what he was doing, and the fact that he was in 2 of my visions, and both nights, there were attacks, makes me not buy the "unconverted" story.

Eh, to be fair, Mustang hasnt been on I dont think since night actions were done. He likely doesn't even know he was outed.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 05:33 PM

all I know is that right now I will stick my neck out for Mustang

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

all I know is that right now I will stick my neck out for Mustang

You sure made it sound like you wernt sure if he was converted or not.

saldana · 09-04-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

LOL. You think I am the chaos duke? Wow, then I am one great player to be accusing everyone and their brother and still not be lynched. If you really wanted to, you could get all your brothers in arms to vote for me and the people here will lynch me.

well if you are really the duke, and you are so sure i am a bad guy, whip that shit out and duke me already.

i double dog dare ya!

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

well if you are really the duke, and you are so sure i am a bad guy, whip that shit out and duke me already.

i double dog dare ya!

Gather up your homeboys and start voting for me.

Swaggs · 09-04-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

all I know is that right now I will stick my neck out for Mustang

Do you think he could be a mutant assassin or do you feel like he was a chaos and converted to "loyal to the emperor" last night?

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 05:37 PM

I know that Mustang is good NOW.

While I am 80% sure I converted him, there's a chance he wasn't chaos before I visited him, which would lead me to believe he's a mutant assassin.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

So you are thinking that the chaos can do multiple kill actions per night? I don't buy it.

It sounds wrong to me too, but I'm not sure how else to explain it...unless he is a mutant assassin. I'm not sure that makes any more sense, but I've given up thinking I know what does make sense.

saldana · 09-04-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

all I know is that right now I will stick my neck out for Mustang

the thing that has me worried about this is that i have never ever ever seen a reverse conversion...in all the ww games i have played, i have never seen someone that is totally a bad guy suddenly become a good guy...i know there have been doctors that have saved people in 2 stage conversions, where the conversion hasnt been instant, but i believe mustang killed fozzie and know he tried to kill alan, so that is not a two day conversion, thats a bad guy from the beginning

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

I know that Mustang is good NOW.

While I am 80% sure I converted him, there's a chance he wasn't chaos before I visited him, which would lead me to believe he's a mutant assassin.

I also dont understand how you have the exact same role as me. Down to the possible ability to convert and everything.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

I know that Mustang is good NOW.

While I am 80% sure I converted him, there's a chance he wasn't chaos before I visited him, which would lead me to believe he's a mutant assassin.

Alan said path was loyal to the emperor, yet path was a mutant. How do you explain this?

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

the thing that has me worried about this is that i have never ever ever seen a reverse conversion...in all the ww games i have played, i have never seen someone that is totally a bad guy suddenly become a good guy...i know there have been doctors that have saved people in 2 stage conversions, where the conversion hasnt been instant, but i believe mustang killed fozzie and know he tried to kill alan, so that is not a two day conversion, thats a bad guy from the beginning

My role clearly says I have a chance to reverse convert bad guys. If I am supposed to believe Grey has the -exact same role- then its possible.. I still dont understand how this makes sense.

saldana · 09-04-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Gather up your homeboys and start voting for me.

you shouldnt need votes....just change the vote....you have been saying all game you were the duke...the duke can do as he pleases...you threatened to duke me 2 days ago when i didnt have any votes....why should i have to round people up...this is between you and me

Swaggs · 09-04-2006, 05:41 PM

I feel like I am championing this cause more than I intend to, but is it worthwhile to take a stab at someone we think could be Chaos over someone we think could be a mutant?

The only downside I see to the mutants sticking around, besides the minor victory thing, is that, in a close vote, they can vote together and swing things away from themselves and onto a human.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

you shouldnt need votes....just change the vote....you have been saying all game you were the duke...the duke can do as he pleases...you threatened to duke me 2 days ago when i didnt have any votes....why should i have to round people up...this is between you and me

Because I represent the villagers. The only way I will use it is if I know a villager is being lynched.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 05:42 PM

being a mutant and being loyal to the emperor is not mutually exclusive.

rereading my pm it says I saved Mustang. The only thing the makes me less than 100% sure is that the pm does not explicitly say Chaos.

Mustang should be able to finger out other chaos if he ever gets on.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I feel like I am championing this cause more than I intend to, but is it worthwhile to take a stab at someone we think could be Chaos over someone we think could be a mutant?

The only downside I see to the mutants sticking around, besides the minor victory thing, is that, in a close vote, they can vote together and swing things away from themselves and onto a human.

Who do you have in mind?

Swaggs · 09-04-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

My role clearly says I have a chance to reverse convert bad guys. If I am supposed to believe Grey has the -exact same role- then its possible.. I still dont understand how this makes sense.

Maybe attacking you or being in your presence somehow converted him?

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

being a mutant and being loyal to the emperor is not mutually exclusive.

rereading my pm it says I saved Mustang. The only thing the makes me less than 100% sure is that the pm does not explicitly say Chaos.

Mustang should be able to finger out other chaos if he ever gets on.

dola

less than 100% sure that I CONVERTED him.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

being a mutant and being loyal to the emperor is not mutually exclusive.

rereading my pm it says I saved Mustang. The only thing the makes me less than 100% sure is that the pm does not explicitly say Chaos.

Mustang should be able to finger out other chaos if he ever gets on.

But couldn't you and mustang be making it all up? If mustang fingers the wrong guy, you two will both look very bad.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 05:45 PM

i also want to hear if kingfc scanned anybody's role last night

Swaggs · 09-04-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Who do you have in mind?

I have Mustang in mind as a mutant. Just wondering whether or not it is smart to try and take out a possible mutant, who is almost certainly not chaos (if we believe Grey), or should we take out a possible Chaos?

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 05:45 PM

I think I have come to the conclusion that Swaggs is the only sane person left in this game

saldana · 09-04-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Because I represent the villagers. The only way I will use it is if I know a villager is being lynched.

thats not what you said thursday...you were threatening me unless i revealed my role...now all of the sudden you are backing away from that....

translation: fouts is not the duke, he is simply a weighted vote for a tiebreaker, just like the masons were. there is absolutely no reason to believe Fouts is not a chaos or mutant, and your "power" is a total ruse.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I think I have come to the conclusion that Swaggs is the only sane person left in this game

Agreed.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I have Mustang in mind as a mutant. Just wondering whether or not it is smart to try and take out a possible mutant, who is almost certainly not chaos (if we believe Grey), or should we take out a possible Chaos?

I personally am guessing there are 2 chaos left. I think we'd be best off trying to eliminate 1 more chaos and then try to lock down on the mutants some.. I still think our circle of who isnt chaos looks good. So thats still 7 people to look through.

The only issue is if Grey isnt making stuff up and mustang was converted chaos, there might be 1 left.. If thats the case, this game feels very unbalanced.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

thats not what you said thursday...you were threatening me unless i revealed my role...now all of the sudden you are backing away from that....

translation: fouts is not the duke, he is simply a weighted vote for a tiebreaker, just like the masons were. there is absolutely no reason to believe Fouts is not a chaos or mutant, and your "power" is a total ruse.

No, my power is there to make people talk. But you can believe I don't have it, if you like.

Swaggs · 09-04-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I think I have come to the conclusion that Swaggs is the only sane person left in this game

Believe me when I tell you I have my shortcomings in this game.

Chief Rum · 09-04-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Because I represent the villagers. The only way I will use it is if I know a villager is being lynched.

bullet sends his regards from beyond.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Alan said path was loyal to the emperor, yet path was a mutant. How do you explain this?

It appears that mutants are loyal to the emperor. They also want to get rid of Chaos.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

It appears that mutants are loyal to the emperor. They also want to get rid of Chaos.

My point is that grey says he converted him and he is NOW loyal to the emperor. If mutants are already loyal to the emperor, how can he have converted him? I know that he backed off that statement in later posts.

So if mustang was a chaos, then we have to believe that the chaos can kill once per night, and attempt a second kill multiple times per game.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 05:54 PM

So Fouts, who is/are your main target/s right now? I get the feeling that you are spreading a lot of distrust, but I can't tell if you are leading us toward someone, or away from someone.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

My point is that grey says he converted him and he is NOW loyal to the emperor. If mutants are already loyal to the emperor, how can he have converted him? I know that he backed off that statement in later posts.

So if mustang was a chaos, then we have to believe that the chaos can kill once per night, and attempt a second kill multiple times per game.

So it doesn't make sense for Mustang to be a mutant or a Chaos, but he was converted from something? Please don't let there be a fourth faction in this game.

Greyroofoo · 09-04-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

So if mustang was a chaos, then we have to believe that the chaos can kill once per night, and attempt a second kill multiple times per game.

that could be something that would balance the multiple seers. After all, if Mustang would have suceeded we would have 2 seers down, with me most likely being killed tonight. No more seers then.

Swaggs · 09-04-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

My point is that grey says he converted him and he is NOW loyal to the emperor. If mutants are already loyal to the emperor, how can he have converted him? I know that he backed off that statement in later posts.

So if mustang was a chaos, then we have to believe that the chaos can kill once per night, and attempt a second kill multiple times per game.

I don't buy the multiple kill thing. Otherwise, why wouldn't they be doing it every night or have already done it? No way the chaos sit on a kill to use later on in the game.

Fouts · 09-04-2006, 05:57 PM

My theory is that Alan and his followers are either mutant/chaos, and Grey and his followers are the other faction. The only thing I don't get is the connection with GE. GE hasn't told us alot though.

I don't think I'm getting anywhere though, as people are slamming me left and right. I think I'll bow out for the rest of the day.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I don't buy the multiple kill thing. Otherwise, why wouldn't they be doing it every night or have already done it? No way the chaos sit on a kill to use later on in the game.

Well, they did try to use it at least twice so far. I won't try to explain the other two nights though.

tanglewood · 09-04-2006, 06:01 PM

The deadline will NOT be moved. It will remain at 9pm EST. There is approximatley 2 hours to go.

BrianD · 09-04-2006, 06:01 PM

I think I know who I am going to vote for, but I'll wait for Mustang to see if he can tell us anything interesting.

Alan T · 09-04-2006, 06:14 PM

Other than night one, when for whatever reason there seemed to be 0 night attacks, who was locked up in prison each night and what night did the double attacks start? Anyone have that info handy?

I think off top of my head it was:

1: No kills - St.cronin + no one
2: 1 attack - St.cronin + fouts
3: 2 attacks - St.cronin + twothree
4: 2 attacks - no one jailed.

Is that right?

saldana · 09-04-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

So Fouts, who is/are your main target/s right now? I get the feeling that you are spreading a lot of distrust, but I can't tell if you are leading us toward someone, or away from someone.

this is exactly what he is doing...spreading distrust and suspicion on everyone else, and trying to deflect any from himself, and at the same time pressuring people to reveal their roles in an effort to "earn their trust"

if it werent for the fact that i saw mustang attack alan as clear as crystal last night, i would be voting for fouts.

Swaggs · 09-04-2006, 06:19 PM

I don't think I am going to be online for a whole lot longer tonight--had a long day.

I don't really have a great feel and I don't think he is a chaos, but he sounds an awful lot like a mutant, so...

Vote Mustang

I'll try to check back in before the deadline and see if he has a good explanation or something else revealing happens.

09-04-2006, 05:26 PM	#1801
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Re: Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy Day 5 - Deadline 9PM EST call me a werewolf newbie, but what exactly is duke powers?

09-04-2006, 05:30 PM	#1805
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Re: Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy Day 5 - Deadline 9PM EST i just hope mustang will post sometime, if he was chaos, he should be able to tell us who the other chaos are right?

09-04-2006, 05:30 PM	#1806
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Re: Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy Day 5 - Deadline 9PM EST Unlike the chaos assassin, who can attack at will, never be successful, and wait until mid-game to start attacking.

09-04-2006, 05:33 PM	#1810
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Re: Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy Day 5 - Deadline 9PM EST all I know is that right now I will stick my neck out for Mustang

09-04-2006, 05:37 PM	#1815
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Re: Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy Day 5 - Deadline 9PM EST I know that Mustang is good NOW. While I am 80% sure I converted him, there's a chance he wasn't chaos before I visited him, which would lead me to believe he's a mutant assassin.

09-04-2006, 05:41 PM	#1822
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I feel like I am championing this cause more than I intend to, but is it worthwhile to take a stab at someone we think could be Chaos over someone we think could be a mutant? The only downside I see to the mutants sticking around, besides the minor victory thing, is that, in a close vote, they can vote together and swing things away from themselves and onto a human. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

09-04-2006, 05:42 PM	#1824
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	being a mutant and being loyal to the emperor is not mutually exclusive. rereading my pm it says I saved Mustang. The only thing the makes me less than 100% sure is that the pm does not explicitly say Chaos. Mustang should be able to finger out other chaos if he ever gets on.

09-04-2006, 05:45 PM	#1829
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	i also want to hear if kingfc scanned anybody's role last night

09-04-2006, 05:45 PM	#1831
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I think I have come to the conclusion that Swaggs is the only sane person left in this game

09-04-2006, 05:54 PM	#1840
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	So Fouts, who is/are your main target/s right now? I get the feeling that you are spreading a lot of distrust, but I can't tell if you are leading us toward someone, or away from someone.

09-04-2006, 05:57 PM	#1844
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	My theory is that Alan and his followers are either mutant/chaos, and Grey and his followers are the other faction. The only thing I don't get is the connection with GE. GE hasn't told us alot though. I don't think I'm getting anywhere though, as people are slamming me left and right. I think I'll bow out for the rest of the day.

09-04-2006, 06:01 PM	#1846
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	The deadline will NOT be moved. It will remain at 9pm EST. There is approximatley 2 hours to go.

09-04-2006, 06:01 PM	#1847
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I think I know who I am going to vote for, but I'll wait for Mustang to see if he can tell us anything interesting.

09-04-2006, 06:14 PM	#1848
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Other than night one, when for whatever reason there seemed to be 0 night attacks, who was locked up in prison each night and what night did the double attacks start? Anyone have that info handy? I think off top of my head it was: 1: No kills - St.cronin + no one 2: 1 attack - St.cronin + fouts 3: 2 attacks - St.cronin + twothree 4: 2 attacks - no one jailed. Is that right?

09-04-2006, 06:19 PM	#1850
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I don't think I am going to be online for a whole lot longer tonight--had a long day. I don't really have a great feel and I don't think he is a chaos, but he sounds an awful lot like a mutant, so... Vote Mustang I'll try to check back in before the deadline and see if he has a good explanation or something else revealing happens. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

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