Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

vote lynch barkeep

it's all we have to go on from Cr's list of scans and trust/distrust.
He didn't get any weird reads on anyone else, but Saldana which means someone had to have messed with his scan. This is probally the last shot we have at this point.

I'm fine with going back to BK, he's kinda been let to slide due to other factors thus far after getting some heat early on.

Not sure I agree with the last shot scenario, we've got what? 10 people left? Are we assuming 2 wolves left or 3? I'd say assume 3 to be safe. so we're 7-3 right now. Of those how many are cleared by CR?

Sadly I have to give up on my jailing is best idea now, the numbers at this point are too close to take time jailing people. SO whomever we vote for it should be a lynch. (no Offense Abe, I'm sure you're a great King and all, but well, we just can't take the time and people away from us hoping you're scanning hits.)

I'll be out during the afternoon for awhile but I'll be back in plenty of time for deadlines tonight.

[Autumn]

I've got to run out wiht the kids, so I won't get a chance to post for a little bit, I"ll be on early afternoon.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

make your own list then, I don't care I'm trying to help us out here

Oh I know, just making sure that got said. Been in too many games where the "helpful villager" just gets passed over somewhere along the way =)

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by path12

Heh. Wasn't just me.

Nope

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm fine with going back to BK, he's kinda been let to slide due to other factors thus far after getting some heat early on.

Not sure I agree with the last shot scenario, we've got what? 10 people left? Are we assuming 2 wolves left or 3? I'd say assume 3 to be safe. so we're 7-3 right now. Of those how many are cleared by CR?

Sadly I have to give up on my jailing is best idea now, the numbers at this point are too close to take time jailing people. SO whomever we vote for it should be a lynch. (no Offense Abe, I'm sure you're a great King and all, but well, we just can't take the time and people away from us hoping you're scanning hits.)

I'll be out during the afternoon for awhile but I'll be back in plenty of time for deadlines tonight.

I agree - the jailing helped early on. But it won't any more.

[lerriuqs]

VOTE USFLTECMO LYNCH

I'll put my money where my mouth is...I think he's been too UTR this game - time to get him out here.

[RendeR]

Am I missing something or is the only "willing" role to reveal yet the white Knight? Everyone else has been killed already. Talk about reverting us to a pretty basic WW game at this point. Sheesh.

[path12]

Looking over the roles, it appears the only good one not revealed is the White Knight, unless there are hidden ones (which I'd say is likely given what we've seen to date). That wouldn't get us to the majority anyway.

Gonna be an uphill battle with few meaningful votes.

[RendeR]

I'm good with either BK or Techmo at this point, I definitely agree with the UTR on techmo, but since the first couple days BK has been equally as quiet and that bothers me a bit. BK is normally fairly vocal in game and has some really good insights into people most times.

If I had a choice for tonight I think I'd go with BK more because he's a vet that I've played with a lot more than techmo and I know how good he can be, so my leanings say test him first.

I can go either way though *shrug*.

Other people's thoughts?

[RendeR]

Ok, transportation is here, I'm out for a few hours.

[USFLTecmo]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

VOTE USFLTECMO LYNCH

I'll put my money where my mouth is...I think he's been too UTR this game - time to get him out here.

Got anything else on me, or are you gonna just sit there and point fingers?

I'd love to promote another theory, but it's hard to come out with any real idea of what to do when we don't have a flying clue about what's left out there, because of all the hidden stuff that's happening. It'll be a long time before I agree to play in any game that even mentions hidden abilities or rules, because the last few games I've played in have been frustrating as hell for me. Every time I feel I have some sort of grip on what's really happening, I find out I don't.

[The Jackal]

I'd still say the WK shouldn't reveal today unless they are on the chopping block. Yes, that opens things up for another fake reveal, but I don't know that the wolves can afford to fake reveal at this point

We don't really have much to analyze because of all these runaway votes, it's let everyone play at least semi-UTR and not get involved in discussion or have to place meaningful votes

I'll be in and out today, will try and decide on a vote in a few hours

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Or some unknown role doing something. Martin has said he has a small role, perhaps like mine and he was scanning/investigating/doingsomething to Saldana at the time. but presumably he would have let us know.

The inconclusive scan has nothing to do with me - the 'ability' that's associated with my role is a one-shot deal, and I haven't used that one shot yet (mainly because there's a chance that it will benefit the wolves rather than the village...)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Ok...So assuming we started with 4 wolves and a cultist, we have 2 wolves and a cultist to go. So we stand at 7-2 in terms of the count (again assuming the cultist has not been somehow converted). Meaning we have 3 days to go through 6 people.

Autumn, Path and Abe all came up clean so they're either villagers or the cultist. And given we pretty much have to assume the cultist isn't converted, there's no point IMO in going after them.

So we have the following to choose from:
Barkeep
SnDvls
USFL
RendeR
Jackal
Lerriuqs
MartinD

I think a good starting point is USFL - he's been way too far under the radar for my liking.

Edited to fix the list.

USFL, Martin and BK are all pretty quiet. I have agreed that I'm used to Barkeep being much more active, though I feel that this has been a pretty quiet game all around from most.

I think he's a good target, though I may vote elsewhere. I think we need to really peg a wolf/villager runoff here and so I'd like to see 2-3 in the running.

I"ll look at the voting and see what comes out.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'd still say the WK shouldn't reveal today unless they are on the chopping block. Yes, that opens things up for another fake reveal, but I don't know that the wolves can afford to fake reveal at this point

We don't really have much to analyze because of all these runaway votes, it's let everyone play at least semi-UTR and not get involved in discussion or have to place meaningful votes

I'll be in and out today, will try and decide on a vote in a few hours

Agreed. No reveal by WK unless they have something good.

[MartinD]

I'll put out a placeholder for now:

VOTE BARKEEP49 LYNCH

I agree with RendeR that it's getting too late in the game for jail to be an option. Barkeep was a suspect a few days ago, but has been able to survive because of the three consecutive runaway votes - seems sensible to me to put him back in the spotlight now we're in a position where there's no obvious lynch target.

I'll be back on in a few hours to see if there have been any developments.

[USFLTecmo]

Vote Barkeep49 Lynch

1. It's better than voting for myself

2. It's someone that's way more UTR than usual. I'm around where I usually am, even though I've tried to participate more openly, a few days last week kept me from doing what I wanted to in terms of post count, and the runaways killed any attempt at that.

[Autumn]

I will go ahead and vote USFL to keep this race tighter. I may very well switch to a third candidate though if I don't feel like we've got a wolf in the race.

VOTE USFLTECMO LYNCH

[Barkeep49]

The reason I'm still alive is because of the controversy I attracted at first. Let's look at what I attracted controversy for:
1. Wanting Schmidty as king - What's wrong with that?
2. Wanting lynches - Less obviously correct. But why is it obviously incorrect?

I tried to be a little aggressive early so I could get scanned. I said as much after Lathum's false reveal. You shouldn't just vote for me because it's easy. That's what we did yesterday with saldana. It wasn't right. It's not right today.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

2. It's someone that's way more UTR than usual.

And what has there been to say? There's a reason that no one is saying anything. Have I been quiet? Sure. That's why Danny was able to make his point about having more posts than many of the alive players.

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You shouldn't just vote for me because it's easy. That's what we did yesterday with saldana. It wasn't right. It's not right today.

Who do you suggest we vote for instead, then?

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, it seems too easy to just jump on BK when there was never that great of evidence to begin with. This is Day Seven, not Day Two.

[dubb93]

May be slightly late tonight. Going out for dinner to The Rathskeller. hxxp://www.rathskeller.com/ . Should be a fun night and a good meal, if I run late I'll have results when I get back.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Yeah, it seems too easy to just jump on BK when there was never that great of evidence to begin with. This is Day Seven, not Day Two.

This is a good point, we have two front runners for now, lets see what shakes out if we keep it fairly close:


VOTE LYNCH USFLTECHMO

[DaddyTorgo]

how bout you guys win this shit already? hehe

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by MartinD

Who do you suggest we vote for instead, then?

Good question. I'm not inclined to go for you because of your soft reveal.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Good question. I'm not inclined to go for you because of your soft reveal.

It has to be looked at with caution, though. I don't like hidden roles that have a supposed ability that hasn't been used yet. Who hasn't tried to pull that off as a wolf?

[The Jackal]

I don't know how I feel about BK vs USFL.

Was it CR that said he felt good about SnDvls, and why was it? He hasn't been scanned or anything. I'm just getting a slight feeling here, and since it's 3, we've got time to see if a third candidate makes anything happen.

VOTE SNDVLS

[The Jackal]

VOTE SNDVLS LYNCH

[Barkeep49]

Jackal: That just doesn't make sense to me. You're saying we should vote for someone because the seer felt good abotu them? I agree SnDvls isn't cleared but why look at him as opposed to someone else? Why make it a 3 person race?

[Autumn]

I don't think a 3 person race is a bad idea given that we don't really have anything on anyone. We need some good voting history and narrowing the race from 3 to 2 to 1 should give us something.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote USFL lynch

For now

[path12]

In the interest of keeping it close:

VOTE BARKEEP LYNCH

Usual disclaimers.

And just by the way, when a game is designed or evolves so that little information comes out, exactly what the hell do some of you expect us to talk about? The fucking weather? This is the kind of sniping BS that pisses me off about this game.

[Autumn]

Anyone have a vote count?

[Barkeep49]

4 Barkeep
3 USFL
2 SnDvls

[RendeR]

So who hasn't voted yet? It will be interesting to see where they put their vote.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

4 Barkeep
3 USFL
2 SnDvls

I have
4 BK
4 USFL
1 SnDvls

[RendeR]

be back after bedtime, gotta take care of the tykes.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by RendeR

So who hasn't voted yet? It will be interesting to see where they put their vote.

only person yet to vote is Barkeep and I assume he'll vote USFL

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't think a 3 person race is a bad idea given that we don't really have anything on anyone. We need some good voting history and narrowing the race from 3 to 2 to 1 should give us something.

BK - this is pretty much exactly the reason I wanted a third candidate. I agree with Autumn here, but it doesn't look like it's happening.

And so what if CR "felt good" about him? He never scanned him, he has the same info we have on him.

But if we're set on you vs USFL, I guess I'll withdraw it.

UNVOTE SNDVLS LYNCH

[MartinD]

Last check-in for tonight...

Had a look through today's posts - while I can see why USFLTecmo is being considered, I don't see any reason for switching my vote away from Barkeep. (If I'm wrong about Barkeep, all I can do is apologise - at this point in time, I think that he's the most likely candidate based on the information that we have to work with.)

[The Jackal]

I'm going to work up a real vote count so I can see who is where, sec.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by path12

And just by the way, when a game is designed or evolves so that little information comes out, exactly what the hell do some of you expect us to talk about? The fucking weather? This is the kind of sniping BS that pisses me off about this game.

From people that are dead, no less. Don't require us to keep you entertained.

[The Jackal]

BK 4 - SnDvls (1842), MartinD (1866), USFL (1867), path (1883)
USFL 4 - lerriuqs (1856), Autumn (1868), RendeR (1874), Abe (1882)

not voted - Jackal, BK

[The Jackal]

I don't want a tie and I've felt better about BK anyways.

VOTE LYNCH USFL

[RendeR]

Do we know what happens in the case of a tie? I'd rather avoid it if possible but is there a dynamic in place for a tie?

[The Jackal]

i dont see anything in the rules about ties

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

i dont see anything in the rules about ties

Tie is no lynch, dubb said at some point.

[Barkeep49]

If I live today I will be trying to assemble a case for tomorrow as I don't think USFL is our best bet.

Vote USFL Lynch

[Autumn]

Unfortunately I'm not going to be around tonight. I hoped to watch things develop toward deadline and see what to do. But my kids have other plans with my life it seems.

To make things more interesting for tomorrow's vote record, and since I don't have a read on either one, I'll make it less of a runaway.

UNVOTE USFLTECMO LYNCH
VOTE BARKEEP LYNCH