Yet another school shooting.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I REALLY want to how it is so easy to get tactical gear like this, I mean seriously.

When I take my guns to the range to shoot do I need a bullet proof tac vest to protect me from the targets attacking me.....no.

I don't hunt, but if I did would I need a tac vest to fend off killer squirrels......no

If, god forbid someone broke into my house in the middle of the night, would I first run to my closet to grab a tac vest, fill it up with extra mags, slip on my night vision goggles, then grab my gun? No, I would grab my fucking gun, tell my wife to get into the closet and call 911, while I waited from cover, hoping I would not need to take another humans life.

So someone please help me, how the hell does the second amendment cover the right to buy full military gear, including bullet proof vests, silencers and all the other bullshit these sociopaths always seem to have?

And oh yeah, this was on twitter and not only remained active, but was never caught so authorities could be notified, but Elon Musk wants to allow more of this shit sop more unhinged people can share these unhinged conspiracies?

I have guns but no tactical, plated vests. But from what I've read, it's pretty easy to get one if you want to pay the $.

I have no use for one, vast majority of gun owners don't. My use case is a zombie apocalypse and vests won't help

Re: silencers/suppressors, I'm okay with them. They aren't really silent like in the movies and yeah, I would like to shoot without my bulky hearing protection.

[BYU 14]

I for sure get how easy it is to get them, but again, I don't see why. Do we really want a civilian population equipped like our police forces? It's my same argument against high capacity mags. My 9mm holds 15+1 and my .380 6+1. If I can't neutralize a threat with that I probably shouldn't be a gun owner.

Large swaths of our society are not equipped for self defense, they are equipped for war.

[CrimsonFox]

10 dead in Buffalo supermarket attack police call hate crime

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...urce-rcna28883

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Large swaths of our society are not equipped for self defense, they are equipped for war.

The difference in the two is largely the size/scope of the threat.

And being underequipped isn't a classic recipe for survival.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Security guard hit the guy but he had on bullet proof vest. What a freaking asshole. Go volunteer in Ukraine and at least do some good playing live Call of Duty.

That part is insane. Need to update the mantra to a good guy with a gun with armor piercing bullets I guess.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Sorry, I don't follow any Nazi's. Have they started blaming BLM yet? Or are they claiming the whole thing is a false flag?

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Seems like tye talking point is that it was a false flag. Even some state Senators mentioning it. Mostly just Alex Jones stuff at this point.

[GrantDawg]

Two dead and three hurt at a mass shooting in Houston, and now reports of multiple people shot at a Southern California church. America.

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[RainMaker]

Is the church stuff new? Like I can't remember ever hearing about church shootings back in the day. It was even sacred ground for gangs.

[QuikSand]

I know it feels like a busy time, burying all these gun victims from multiple shootings, but it will pass, it always does. We'll get back to worrying mostly about the Kardashians and who's The Masked Singer and so forth in short order. Thoughts and prayers, nothing we could possibly do, blame mental illness, all that jazz. Hands washed.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I know it feels like a busy time, burying all these gun victims from multiple shootings, but it will pass, it always does. We'll get back to worrying mostly about the Kardashians and who's The Masked Singer and so forth in short order. Thoughts and prayers, nothing we could possibly do, blame mental illness, all that jazz. Hands washed.

Come on

We're past most of that and we've moved on to worrying about how much Disney is brainwashing our children and gas prices.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Is the church stuff new? Like I can't remember ever hearing about church shootings back in the day. It was even sacred ground for gangs.

Depends. Is it a black church?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Depends. Is it a black church?

Good point. There was one in Texas a few years back I remember too.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Depends. Is it a black church?

I think I read the congregation is mostly Taiwanese.

ETA: And the shooter was a Asian man in his 60s.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Good point. There was one in Texas a few years back I remember too.

Well, and Charleston.

Edit: Jewish temples would also count as "replacement theory" targets, too, and those have been shot up a fair bit the past decade. Our temple now has double the usual number of guards that we did in the past for services. Not something I remember happening at my church when I was growing up as a white protestant.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I think I read the congregation is mostly Taiwanese.

ETA: And the shooter was a Asian man in his 60s.

Reports are it is an American of Chinese descent who had a strong anti-Taiwanese bias from his time over there.

[miami_fan]

To bring us back to the original title of this thread.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/uv...ing/index.html

Robb Elementary teaches 2nd through 4th grades and had 535 students in the 2020-21 school year,

I have never seen a school grade grouping like this.

[Lathum]

If only those second graders had been carrying this could have all been prevented...

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If only those second graders had been carrying this could have all been prevented...

Just jumped to 16 killed...

great country we got here.

[RainMaker]

Good lord

[albionmoonlight]

This country is so addicted to not annoying conservatives that we now regularly slaughter school children rather than ask them to sacrifice anything.

And the conservatives in my orbit are still--by far--the angriest people I know.

I don't get it. Where does the anger come from? What more can we do to show you that you've won? What worlds are left to conquer?

[RainMaker]

I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA https://t.co/Ry2GInbS1g

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) October 28, 2015

[HerRealName]

Time to start researching immigration to Australia again. This is awful and the Gov's office makes it sound like it is even worse than the posted article.

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I have never seen a school grade grouping like this.

It's not unusual for rural school districts to have odd school groupings. I went to 1 school from K-3, a different one 4-5, a different one 6-8, and then a different one for high school.

[GrantDawg]

18 year old high school student. Kills his grandmother, then goes to the local elementary school to kill 14 kids and a teacher. When will this stop?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

18 year old high school student. Kills his grandmother, then goes to the local elementary school to kill 14 kids and a teacher. When will this stop?

It won't. The blood of some innocent children is a willingly paid price for rednecks to keep their toys.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Lathum

It won't. The blood of some innocent children is a willingly paid price for rednecks to keep their toys.

Yup. Several people have indicated that they enjoy hunting. I think that ends the conversation.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Yup. Several people have indicated that they enjoy hunting. I think that ends the conversation.

The problem is there is zero gray area with these people. almost all the pro gun control people I know are fine with hunting rifles, hand guns for home defense, etc....but want a ban on assault style weapons. Whenever this conversation comes up the right immediately shuts is down and starts deflecting with definitions, etc....like a former poster here used to do.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

18 year old high school student. Kills his grandmother, then goes to the local elementary school to kill 14 kids and a teacher. When will this stop?

It won't. This country is what it is.

[Qwikshot]

Don't worry guys, they'll be another school/church/office/etc shooting to make you forget about this one...

it just shows you America is back from COVID. WHOOOOOO

[QuikSand]

It’s so sad

[MIJB#19]

I just got shivers over my back as if it was the first time I heard of such a tragedy. Poor kids and families.

[RainMaker]

I don't know how you break the news to parents that their 8 year old was slaughtered.

After Sandy Hook, I read about how the group of parents waiting in a firehouse had dwindled until finally they were told that if they were still there, their children were dead. The reporters wrote that the screaming could be heard from the street.

I will never forget that.

— Maggie Astor (@MaggieAstor) May 24, 2022

[BYU 14]

I own guns, so I am not anti-gun, but I am anti-stupidity by our leaders, who use fear tactics (all guns are evil and need to go away, or any type of change gun law is evil and will result in you losing your guns)

So what the hell is wrong with

1-Universal gun license, like you have a drivers license, you know because everyone that opposes new gun laws says shit like, cars are dangerous, lets ban them. Well yeah, they are dangerous, that's why you have a license and lose your right to drive if you lose your license. So universal gun license, connected to a criminal and behavioral health database. You are flagged on either one, you lose your guns. You get caught with an unregistered gun, you lose you guns and go to jail, 5 years minimum. Every gun you buy is recorded on your license, which you have to renew every 10 years by taking a gun safety course.

2-Stiff penalties/agendum's for gun crime. Use a gun in a crime, nobody is killed/injured, automatic 5 year addendum to the sentence, must serve all 5. Bodily injury occurs from the gun or somethings else, add 10. Someone is killed, automatic 50 year addendum, all these must be served consecutively, so if you get life, it's life plus 50, no reduction to the addendum. Possession of unlicensed 5 years, must serve all 5.

3-All gun sales must be recorded on an individuals license. If that does not happen, seller gets 5 years too and loses their guns.

4-Don't let the public buy body armor, who the fuck needs body armor to hunt or target shoot?

5-Limits on magazine capacity, you can't defend your house with 15 rounds, you probably need more range time.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I own guns, so I am not anti-gun, but I am anti-stupidity by our leaders, who use fear tactics (all guns are evil and need to go away, or any type of change gun law is evil and will result in you losing your guns)

So what the hell is wrong with

1-Universal gun license, like you have a drivers license, you know because everyone that opposes new gun laws says shit like, cars are dangerous, lets ban them. Well yeah, they are dangerous, that's why you have a license and lose your right to drive if you lose your license. So universal gun license, connected to a criminal and behavioral health database. You are flagged on either one, you lose your guns. You get caught with an unregistered gun, you lose you guns and go to jail, 5 years minimum. Every gun you buy is recorded on your license, which you have to renew every 10 years by taking a gun safety course.

2-Stiff penalties/agendum's for gun crime. Use a gun in a crime, nobody is killed/injured, automatic 5 year addendum to the sentence, must serve all 5. Bodily injury occurs from the gun or somethings else, add 10. Someone is killed, automatic 50 year addendum, all these must be served consecutively, so if you get life, it's life plus 50, no reduction to the addendum. Possession of unlicensed 5 years, must serve all 5.

3-All gun sales must be recorded on an individuals license. If that does not happen, seller gets 5 years too and loses their guns.

4-Don't let the public buy body armor, who the fuck needs body armor to hunt or target shoot?

5-Limits on magazine capacity, you can't defend your house with 15 rounds, you probably need more range time.

I think you could get the majority of Democrats to agree to these in part of in full.

Republicans? Not so much.

[albionmoonlight]

I'd add manufacturer liability to the list. Give the gun makers/marketers an incentive to keep their guns from being used in slaughters and watch the market work.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I think you could get the majority of Democrats to agree to these in part of in full.

Republicans? Not so much.

You would think this presents a happy medium, nobody loses their AR-15, the party of law and order gets tougher prison sentences, and room can be made for these people by decriminalizing cannabis nationally, letting low level dealers/users out and expunging their records.

There is something both sides can sell, if they didn't insist on such an all or nothing game.

i also though about manufacturer liability, but that would be a death knell for sure, but yes I support it.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

i also though about manufacturer liability, but that would be a death knell for sure, but yes I support it.

It would if nothing changed. The theory is that the gun makers would have an incentive to change things.

Personally, I have no problem with guns. I have a problem with slaughtering kids. If we can get everyone on board with solutions that let us keep one without the other, then that's great IMO.

[BYU 14]

True, and the gun lobby will fight like hell regardless, but if anything is going to cost them they will really up the intensity of resistance. Maybe start small and bring something like that later.

[larrymcg421]

The only gun control that could pass would have to be supported by the NRA. As long as they own at least 41 Senators, then nothing's going to change.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I am strong proponent of gun control. Very strong, but in addition, we really need to do something to figure out the underlying sickness that is afflicting men, typically younger, in this country that’s causing them to carry out these horrific acts.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

... but in addition, we really need to do something to figure out the underlying sickness that is afflicting men, typically younger, in this country that’s causing them to carry out these horrific acts.

Plus one here.

What causes someone to be so angry that they need to go out and kill children, especially when they know that the likely outcome for themselves is death or life in jail.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Plus one here.

What causes someone to be so angry that they need to go out and kill children, especially when they know that the likely outcome for themselves is death or life in jail.

Because they can....

[RainMaker]

There's nothing you can really do. It's a dying empire that has a sickness that can't be fixed by some mild gun control measures. Mass slaughter of children in schools is as much a part of our culture as cars, burgers, and football.

[thesloppy]

MAYBE several mass shootings in legislatures rather than schools seems like the only possible way to get any change in this country, and even then it would depend entirely on the partisan scorecard.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

MAYBE several mass shootings in legislatures rather than schools seems like the only possible way to get any change in this country, and even then it would depend entirely on the partisan scorecard.

We literally had insurrectionists wanting to hang the VP and his own President and party whitewashed it...

[stevew]

We should have a federal holiday for victims of school shootings. Just call it “Inaction Day” or something to that effect.

[RainMaker]

Sad update… Families tell me they’re going one by one inside getting swabbed for DNA to help investigators pic.twitter.com/zTuWr873Gk

— Anayeli Ruiz KHOU (@AnayeliNews) May 25, 2022

[Atocep]

It's already being spun as strictly a mental health issue and anyone bringing up gun control in the aftermath of a mass shooting is a narcissist and damaging the healing process.

[JPhillips]

Good lord. Herschel Walker starts his campaign by suggesting the massacre was faked.

And not a single GOPer will say a damned thing.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's already being spun as strictly a mental health issue and anyone bringing up gun control in the aftermath of a mass shooting is a narcissist and damaging the healing process.

Is this not a mental health issue?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Is this not a mental health issue?

strictly a mental health issue

Mental health is a part of a number of issues that lead to mass shootings. As a country we don't have a monopoly on mental health issues but we do have one on mass shootings.