WW CXXVI: Wolves in Asgard - Game Over (Result in Post 2538)

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Autumn

That's the reason for my vote for him. I can't imagine that Danny plays the game he played, and they don't try to get some trust out of it. There has to be wolf votes for him, both on day one when they figure they can wriggle out of it, and day two when they can gain trust for it. So late day one, early day two.

Though I agree with you underlying point, I would actually guess it would be early day 1 and post-reveal D2.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

No more than the random going to you when I strongly suspected you of being a wolf

In all seriousness, Freyr is listed as a good role in the game. So I suspect the reward for pairing a character and his item is greater than the risk of giving it to the wolves.

Looking at the description, I'm guessing that the weapon would make it tough for him to be killed or allow a player kill option. I would still take "the field" over those two guesses, but those seem like the most logical readings of the sword's legend to me.

And once again, I didn't have to come out and say that I got the sword. If I was a wolf I could have kept quiet about it and passed it amongst my wolfy pals.

But I think I'm agreeing with you. Plus the rules stated that only the intended user of an item can use it.. so unless there is a wolf role that can use the sword, handing it over to an uncleared player doesn't carry much risk. I just hope it gives mauboy enough strength to fight off a night attack since this is obviously painting a target on his back.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Narc I actually have a gut feel is a villager. He's been on me like white on rice, which unfortunately reminds me of his villager play ;-) I think he tends to overthink as a villager and get too certain about theories. I would guess as a wolf he'd be less certain.

Bug I think I would move to. I was thinking about the mistletoe this weekend, and while he's touched it twice, the first time Eaglefan wasn't revealed, and the second time ...w ell he still has it. I'm a bit worried that if he's a wolf he may be able to use it tonight.

I only revealed I had the missletoe because other items were being revealed and I admitted that I thought I killed dubbed.

I also don't have the missletoe as I passed it to racer, pretty much a cleared villager. That should have bought me the benefit of the doubt over some other people.

[Chubby]

Vote count?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Telle

And once again, I didn't have to come out and say that I got the sword. If I was a wolf I could have kept quiet about it and passed it amongst my wolfy pals.

But I think I'm agreeing with you. Plus the rules stated that only the intended user of an item can use it.. so unless there is a wolf role that can use the sword, handing it over to an uncleared player doesn't carry much risk. I just hope it gives mauboy enough strength to fight off a night attack since this is obviously painting a target on his back.

I agree that the risk/reward ratio suggests making the pass to mau.

[Telle]

Votes as of post #1904:

3 - Telle -Lathum (1706), Chubby (1717), Narcizo (1769)
2 - Zinto- Autumn (1718), mauboy (1768)
4 - Autumn- Barkeep (1761), EagleFan (1815), MrBug (1821), hoopsguy (1895)
4 - ntndeacon - Racer (1861), jeheinz (1865), Zinto (1868), mckerney (1869)

[Barkeep49]

4 - ntndeacon - Racer (1861), jeheinz72 (1865), Zinto (1868), mckerney (1869)
4 - Autumn - Barkeep (1761), EagleFan (1815), MrBug708 (1821), Hoopsguy (1895)
3 - Telle - Lathum (1706), Chubby (1717), Narcizo (1769)
2 - Zinto - Autumn (1718), mauboy (1768)

Still to vote: ntndeacon, Telle

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Vote count?

Just to update:

Day 5 voting as of post #1882:

4 - ntndeacon - Racer (1861), jeheinz72 (1865), Zinto (1868), mckerney (1869)
4 - Autumn - Barkeep (1761), EagleFan (1815), MrBug708 (1821), Hoops (1895)
3 - Telle - Lathum (1706), Chubby (1717), Narcizo (1769)
2 - Zinto - Autumn (1718), mauboy (1768)

Still to vote: ntndeacon, Telle

I will switch to Autumn if need be.

[Telle]

Not sure about ntndeacon, but he is on my not-so-short list of possible suspects. Plus, self-defense and all..

vote ntndeacon

[Racer]

Chubby, I know you prefer Telle the most, but who do you prefer the most between ntndeacon and Autumn? I'm still debating on which one to go with.

[Barkeep49]

Well we have all 3 potential targets able to make a switch if needed. Given that I encourage ntn and Telle to join me in voting Autumn; fall is upon us.

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[mauchow]

I want to switch my vote before I head out in 10 minutes for a softball game.

But who?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Racer

Chubby, I know you prefer Telle the most, but who do you prefer the most between ntndeacon and Autumn? I'm still debating on which one to go with.

Considering that these are really our top two candidates I would encourage you to vote for which one you think is best.

[mauchow]

unvote zinto
vote autumn

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Considering that these are really our top two candidates I would encourage you to vote for which one you think is best.

I like both of them as candidates. Since Chubby is like 99% cleared, I'd like to get his perspective on this (like if anything jumps out about either candidate to him).

[mauchow]

Will ntn not get a vote in today?

[Barkeep49]

I'm done pushing Autumn. I wanted to make sure he achieved top 2 as I think that will prove some good vote history in the long run.

So with that done can someone re-explain the case against ntn?

[hoopsguy]

I'm wondering what the heck is up with Lathum? Zero posts in the thread today. And he just posted in the "WW Fantasy Football" thread so he is at least around enough to do that.

Did he post over the weekend about availability issues?

This makes me pretty uneasy. Probably not to the point of doing something about it tonight but I certainly hope he'll be more active going forward. He is a good villager, and I want an engaged Lathum on my side.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Racer

I like both of them as candidates. Since Chubby is like 99% cleared, I'd like to get his perspective on this (like if anything jumps out about either candidate to him).

I forgot that you were also very cleared when making this post. Generally someone trying to follow a known villager is a little too easy of an excuse for a bad vote, but in this case I agree with you it's a good idea.

[Racer]

Day 5 voting as of post #1919:

5 - ntndeacon - Racer (1861), jeheinz72 (1865), Zinto (1868), mckerney (1869), Telle (1909)
5 - Autumn - Barkeep (1761), EagleFan (1815), MrBug708 (1821), Hoops (1895), mauboy (1914)
3 - Telle - Lathum (1706), Chubby (1717), Narcizo (1769)
1 - Zinto - Autumn (1718)

Still to vote: ntndeacon

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Racer

I like both of them as candidates. Since Chubby is like 99% cleared, I'd like to get his perspective on this (like if anything jumps out about either candidate to him).

I'm waiting for autumn to move his vote

[mauchow]

Was Autumn out for the night?

So, assuming two self defense votes we have ourselves a tie and need telle voters to make a decision.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Racer

Day 5 voting as of post #1919:

5 - ntndeacon - Racer (1861), jeheinz72 (1865), Zinto (1868), mckerney (1869), Telle (1909)
5 - Autumn - Barkeep (1761), EagleFan (1815), MrBug708 (1821), Hoops (1895), mauboy (1914)
3 - Telle - Lathum (1706), Chubby (1717), Narcizo (1769)
1 - Zinto - Autumn (1718)

Still to vote: ntndeacon

I concur.

[mauchow]

And I'm outta here, unfortunately. Time to whack a few balls......

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Was Autumn out for the night?

So, assuming two self defense votes we have ourselves a tie and need telle voters to make a decision.

I don't think we can assume ntn will vote.

[Chubby]

honestly, ntn shouldn't even be in the conversation today, it should be between telle and autumn

[Barkeep49]

Why is ntn in the conversation today? It feels like a similar push to what got us Thomkal which I also didn't really understand.

[Autumn]

I'm loathe to move my vote. If NTN turns out to be the lynch and a villager, we're just back to the same crap tomorrow. Yes, you'll say, this is Autumn as a wolf, knowing NTN's a villager, trying to cover his back. But you have to admit, as a villager, I'm in the same bind.

I guess given NTN's no vote, no posting lately, I can feel better about voting him. If he's a villager he's not an active one. My activity isn't helping us, but I suppose that could change some day.

unvote zinto
vote ntndeacon

[Barkeep49]

Also, Danny has been talked about a lot today but hasn't posted at all. I think that's definite wolf behavior.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Why is ntn in the conversation today? It feels like a similar push to what got us Thomkal which I also didn't really understand.

exactly.

autumn - i'm not voting for telle
telle - i'm not voting for autumn

3rd candidate gets f'd

honestly, we have a bigger shot at more damage by taking out telle with lynch

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Chubby

honestly, ntn shouldn't even be in the conversation today, it should be between telle and autumn

Except for the fact that we're both villagers. (or at least I'm pretty convinced Autumn is)

[Barkeep49]

I agree that a Telle or Autumn lynch tells us a lot more than lynching ntn. Personally I think Telle is good, but I think her lynch would be more meaningful than ntn.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Telle

Except for the fact that we're both villagers. (or at least I'm pretty convinced Autumn is)

yes yes of course

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Telle

Except for the fact that we're both villagers. (or at least I'm pretty convinced Autumn is)

Yes but your death gives us important information. Listen I think your innocent and hence haven't voted for you, but figuring out the fake hammer is of some consequence to the village.

[Autumn]

Vote me if you've got the numbers, I agree we're just doing the same thing. It's silly.

[Chubby]

even if i move it's still tie, i think we can get 7 on telle?

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yes but your death gives us important information. Listen I think your innocent and hence haven't voted for you, but figuring out the fake hammer is of some consequence to the village.

Ok so you lynch me and find out I'm a villager.. what does that tell you about the fake hammer?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Telle

Ok so you lynch me and find out I'm a villager.. what does that tell you about the fake hammer?

Drops Narc down in trust for one.

[JAG]

Day 5 voting as of post #1937:

6 - ntndeacon - Racer (1861), jeheinz72 (1865), Zinto (1868), mckerney (1869), Telle (1909), Autumn (1928)
5 - Autumn - Barkeep (1761), EagleFan (1815), MrBug708 (1821), hoopsguy (1895), mauboy1 (1914)
3 - Telle - Lathum (1706), Chubby (1717), Narcizo (1769)

[Chubby]

Thomkal - Telle screwed you over pretty bad yesterday too don't forget

[EagleFan]

unvote Autumn

vote ntn

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Chubby

even if i move it's still tie, i think we can get 7 on telle?

I don't think we need to be so scared of a tie, despite the threat of random death.

[Racer]

Okay, I'm going to go back with my initial best gut instinct. Also, going a bit off the gut of others.

Unvote ntndeacon
Vote Autumn

I think this is a tie. I'll switch it back if need be.

[Barkeep49]

Eagle I think that's a mistake. That vote just really just gives us Thomkal part 2.

[Chubby]

of course racer could move to autumn and seal it?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

unvote Autumn

vote ntn

seriously?

[Racer]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

unvote Autumn

vote ntn

Crap. You untied it and then I tied it again. Who do you actually prefer?

[JAG]

Day 5 voting as of post #1947:

6 - ntndeacon - jeheinz72 (1865), Zinto (1868), mckerney (1869), Telle (1909), Autumn (1928), EagleFan (1941)
5 - Autumn - Barkeep (1761), MrBug708 (1821), hoopsguy (1895), mauboy1 (1914), Racer (1943)
3 - Telle - Lathum (1706), Chubby (1717), Narcizo (1769)

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Racer

Crap. You untied it and then I tied it again. Who do you actually prefer?

My notes have ntn up by one.

[Chubby]

you really think a wolf wouldn't even get a vote in at this point?