Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Vote Swaggs

Grey seems to trust that Mustang is loyal to the emperor, so I'll take his recommendation with the understanding that he is very dead tomorrow if he is leading us in the wrong direction.

I think for now I would rather kill mustang. His death can answer some questions I have about Greyfooroo. I think parts of mustang's story still seems fishy. You mean to tell me the chaos havent been PMing together from the start of the game like it says they can in the rules?

Combine that with the fact that we have multiple seers and all these cool abilities just seems this game was setup for us to win easily. Something here doesn't seem right.

[Fouts]

Looks like swaggs needs to reveal his role, unless I missed it.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Mustang

(sorry, been away from the computer all day)

It is true.. my master wished for me to kill Alan last night but, I failed and I see the error of my ways.

I deserve to die but, I can help in death as much as living.

Hmm, he seems to be saying he can help in death as well as life. But he doesn't seem to be harmful now. If we need to, we can kill Mustang tomorrow.

If Swaggs is the only Chaos left, we could win by lynching him today, although it does smell like a set up to me. Once again, this comes down ot my faith in grey and his story on Mustang. grey, you damn well better be telling the truth.

UNVOTE ST. CRONIN

VOTE SWAGGS

[Fouts]

Did swaggs ever reveal his role?

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by saldana

ok fouts, now do you believe me....mustang has confirmed my vision was correct.

Yes I do. Doesn't mean you aren't a mutant.

[Greyroofoo]

unless my pm is lying to me, Mustang is now loyal to the Emperor.

Like I said before, I am willing to stick my neck out on this.

[saldana]

ok fouts, now do you believe me....mustang has confirmed my vision was correct.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think for now I would rather kill mustang. His death can answer some questions I have about Greyfooroo. I think parts of mustang's story still seems fishy. You mean to tell me the chaos havent been PMing together from the start of the game like it says they can in the rules?

Combine that with the fact that we have multiple seers and all these cool abilities just seems this game was setup for us to win easily. Something here doesn't seem right.

That might have been countered with a larger than normal number of Chaos, not to mention the mutants. And we certainly have enough suspects.

I think there's some evidence to support Mustang's story, and we can always still kill him tomorrow. I say go after the likely CHaos today, and leave the converted Chaos for tomorrow, if need be.

Plus, you could always have a conversation with grey tonight if you have any doubts. Not sure that we need to kill Mustang to get the answers you seek.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think for now I would rather kill mustang. His death can answer some questions I have about Greyfooroo. I think parts of mustang's story still seems fishy. You mean to tell me the chaos havent been PMing together from the start of the game like it says they can in the rules?

Combine that with the fact that we have multiple seers and all these cool abilities just seems this game was setup for us to win easily. Something here doesn't seem right.

I was only contacted a few nights ago. I have no idea what he was up to prior to that.. Killing Swaggs today will not automatically mean a win for the Imperials as I don't know if there are other converted Chaos members that he has kept hidden from me.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think for now I would rather kill mustang. His death can answer some questions I have about Greyfooroo. I think parts of mustang's story still seems fishy. You mean to tell me the chaos havent been PMing together from the start of the game like it says they can in the rules?

Combine that with the fact that we have multiple seers and all these cool abilities just seems this game was setup for us to win easily. Something here doesn't seem right.

Grey visited me earlier in the game to make sure I was loyal to the emperor, so I'm willing to trust him pretty completely. If he now trusts Mustang, I will as well.

[Mustang]

I'm going to step away for a bit.. I dont' think there is anything I can add right now. I'll check back in a few..

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That might have been countered with a larger than normal number of Chaos, not to mention the mutants. And we certainly have enough suspects.

I think there's some evidence to support Mustang's story, and we can always still kill him tomorrow. I say go after the likely CHaos today, and leave the converted Chaos for tomorrow, if need be.

Plus, you could always have a conversation with grey tonight if you have any doubts. Not sure that we need to kill Mustang to get the answers you seek.

I doubt I will be alive after tonight to do that anyways.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I was only contacted a few nights ago. I have no idea what he was up to prior to that.. Killing Swaggs today will not automatically mean a win for the Imperials as I don't know if there are other converted Chaos members that he has kept hidden from me.

Did you start out Chaos, or were you converted to Chaos?

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Grey visited me earlier in the game to make sure I was loyal to the emperor, so I'm willing to trust him pretty completely. If he now trusts Mustang, I will as well.

Not to mention I also visited GoldenEagle night 1 and bulletsponge night 3

[Chief Rum]

Well, considering grey and king are kinda like seers, too, and st. cronin's death could mean the "death of the emperor", as he claims, I am not so sure you are an automatic kill tonight.

And besides, you won't know that until after the night actions are processed anyway, so you will still be sending an action in. If you live, we will likely have our answer, at least on grey.

[Chief Rum]

Anyone got a vote count now?

[Fouts]

I think mustang and his friends have tied it up.

[Greyroofoo]

I really think Alan T and I will be the targets. After all Alan T was a target last night and they already got twothree.

[saldana]

mustang, please clarify, are you a mutant or a chaos

[Fouts]

The way I see it, killing mustang will tell us alot. What does killing swaggs tell us?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Not to mention I also visited GoldenEagle night 1 and bulletsponge night 3

True, but I can only trust what I know about you, and I know the content of our visit. I don't know the content of your visit with them.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Fouts

The way I see it, killing mustang will tell us alot. What does killing swaggs tell us?

That the game might be over?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I think mustang and his friends have tied it up.

if the same people that made the late swing last night are on the opposite side of mustang again tonight, i think running the table on them for they lynches should be out remaining strategy....with the exception of the situation last game with dr reiman no longer haing any powers, i cant think of a reason to keep a bad guy alive, especially since greyroofoo is now only pretty sure that he saved him, not totally convinced like he was earlier in the day

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by saldana

if the same people that made the late swing last night are on the opposite side of mustang again tonight, i think running the table on them for they lynches should be out remaining strategy....with the exception of the situation last game with dr reiman no longer haing any powers, i cant think of a reason to keep a bad guy alive, especially since greyroofoo is now only pretty sure that he saved him, not totally convinced like he was earlier in the day

If you look back at the realdeal lynch, and combine it with todays vote, you will see alot.

[Alan T]

Well if mustang and swaggs were the last two chaos, killing swaggs ends the game with a mutant win.

Or mustang might be lying.

Two reasons swaying me here. Right now I am suspicious of anyone voting for swaggs being a mutant.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by saldana

if the same people that made the late swing last night are on the opposite side of mustang again tonight, i think running the table on them for they lynches should be out remaining strategy....with the exception of the situation last game with dr reiman no longer haing any powers, i cant think of a reason to keep a bad guy alive, especially since greyroofoo is now only pretty sure that he saved him, not totally convinced like he was earlier in the day

Huh? Quit using negatives.

Are you trying to say that those of us who saved bullet should be on the chopping block if we try to kill Mustang?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Fouts

If you look back at the realdeal lynch, and combine it with todays vote, you will see alot.

Voting for RealDeal was me, Mustang, Grey, Saldana, a Chaos, a mutant, and a human. That tells us what exactly?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Voting for RealDeal was me, Mustang, Grey, Saldana, a Chaos, a mutant, and a human. That tells us what exactly?

That it was a day 1 vote? lol

[Greyroofoo]

i voted for realdeal because I thought he was trying to draw out a seer.

Anyways has anyone seen goldeneagle lately? He seems our best chance to find a mutant.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Voting for RealDeal was me, Mustang, Grey, Saldana, a Chaos, a mutant, and a human. That tells us what exactly?

A late vote switch at the end. Mustang, Grey and BrianD made realdeal the lynch target.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well if mustang and swaggs were the last two chaos, killing swaggs ends the game with a mutant win.

Or mustang might be lying.

Two reasons swaying me here. Right now I am suspicious of anyone voting for swaggs being a mutant.

So you are advocating keeping Swaggs alive as the (possible) last Chaos while we hunt down the mutants?

[Greyroofoo]

path voted for realdeal

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Voting for RealDeal was me, Mustang, Grey, Saldana, a Chaos, a mutant, and a human. That tells us what exactly?

Wait a sec-- who is the mutant? I thought we only confirmed path?

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Did you start out Chaos, or were you converted to Chaos?

I was friendly to Chaos but, didn't know who to contact... I had to wait for someone to contact me.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I was friendly to Chaos but, didn't know who to contact... I had to wait for someone to contact me.

Dude, you're lying.

Originally Posted by rules

The Chaos players may PM each other freely throughout the game and each night attack a player in their quarters, killing them.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by BrianD

So you are advocating keeping Swaggs alive as the (possible) last Chaos while we hunt down the mutants?

I don't know that swaggs is the last one.. but I do know killing mustang will tie up several loose ends for us. While killing swaggs could possibly end the game with a mutant win.

We always will have tommorrow to kill swaggs.

[tanglewood]

Current Vote Count Day 5

Swaggs 4 - Mustang, Greyroofoo, BrianD, Chief Rum
Mustang 4 - saldana, Swaggs, AlanT, Fouts
Chief Rum 1 - st.cronin

Still To Vote: GoldenEagle, kingfc22

[Fouts]

That vote count doesn't look right.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't know that swaggs is the last one.. but I do know killing mustang will tie up several loose ends for us. While killing swaggs could possibly end the game with a mutant win.

We always will have tommorrow to kill swaggs.

According to Mustang, he is a non-Chaos but a Chaos sympathizer. If we kill him, we will probably see that he is human (mutant or not is unknown), so I'm not sure what that will tell us.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by BrianD

According to Mustang, he is a non-Chaos but a Chaos sympathizer. If we kill him, we will probably see that he is human (mutant or not is unknown), so I'm not sure what that will tell us.

That we can trust Greyfoo and you more for one. That Swaggs is pretty surely a bad guy. And we arent any worse off than we were yesterday. We killed someone who was bad yesterday at least.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Fouts

That vote count doesn't look right.

I think Fouts is right. Didn't AlanT vote for Mustang?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Fouts

That vote count doesn't look right.

Its not right. I voted for mustang. not swaggs

[Mustang]

If you pick me to lynch me tonight, I will be shown to be good..

Swaggs will then take the opportunity to find others to convert tonight. If anyone converts, once that happens, you'll be starting with complete unknowns... those that were good can no longer be trusted..

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Alan T

That we can trust Greyfoo and you more for one. That Swaggs is pretty surely a bad guy. And we arent any worse off than we were yesterday. We killed someone who was bad yesterday at least.

Confused, didn't we kill Bullet last night?

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Confused, didn't we kill Bullet last night?

i think meant that mustang was bad yesterday

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Its not right. I voted for mustang. not swaggs

I apologise. I misread that post. Vote Count fixed.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I was Chaos but, couldn't do anything.

If you would have killed me up to this point, I would have shown to be Chaos.

Then tell us who you were working with because you can freely PM with them.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Huh? Quit using negatives.

Are you trying to say that those of us who saved bullet should be on the chopping block if we try to kill Mustang?

no.

i am saying you should be on the chopping block if you do anything BUT try to kill mustang

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by BrianD

According to Mustang, he is a non-Chaos but a Chaos sympathizer. If we kill him, we will probably see that he is human (mutant or not is unknown), so I'm not sure what that will tell us.

I was Chaos but, couldn't do anything.

If you would have killed me up to this point, I would have shown to be Chaos.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Mustang

If you pick me to lynch me tonight, I will be shown to be good..

Swaggs will then take the opportunity to find others to convert tonight. If anyone converts, once that happens, you'll be starting with complete unknowns... those that were good can no longer be trusted..

Agreed, isn't it better to lynch those that can convert before we track down all of those that have been converted?