12-08-2014, 06:49 PM | #1901 | |
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You have no idea how much I would love to see the (insert your state here)'s Parents Handbook and the test that one would have to pass to obtain the Parent's license.
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12-08-2014, 07:15 PM | #1903 |
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A parenting license. I like it.
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12-08-2014, 07:30 PM | #1904 |
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What do you do with the kids of all the parents that fail?
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12-08-2014, 07:40 PM | #1906 | |
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How exactly are you going to stop people? Seriously. Fine poor people for having kids? Won't matter to them as they don't have the money to pay. Put the parents in jail? So, the state is taking care of Mom, possibly Dad and the kid on a full-time basis. Is the State going to forcibly sterilize people who don't pass the test. Some scary shit to give the government that much power over an individual's life.
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12-08-2014, 07:45 PM | #1907 | |
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12-08-2014, 07:47 PM | #1908 | |
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Gotta retain enough for a viable economy so I'm not entirely sure where the cut line is.
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12-08-2014, 07:48 PM | #1909 | ||
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If the government is paying for it, they certainly have stepped in to control it in the past. If anything, it's almost a government tradition.
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12-08-2014, 07:49 PM | #1910 | |
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12-08-2014, 07:50 PM | #1911 |
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While I would prefer people to be more judicious about having kids, this idea isn't the way to do it (teaching the responsible use of birth control, now you might be onto something). If you thought tests for voting would be problematic*...
It is a good point about the overpopulation folks though. They want fewer people...and they also blame those living in industrialized nations (read: the US) for any problem brought about by consumption (energy, food, water). So their solution is what, the US stop breeding, and in favor of underdeveloped countries? Yeah, no. * I mean, not all do. But the same arguments apply here.
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I've long held that voting privileges should be suspended for anyone on welfare. And have often felt a return to landowners-only as a criteria should be strongly considered. It's akin to letting the inmates run the asylum & that's never a great idea.
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12-08-2014, 07:51 PM | #1913 | |
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I think you'd be a bit upset when most of these dumb hillbillies (the ones in the country who think most like you) are the ones getting sterilized.
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What the fuck has this thread turned into? Forced sterilization? Preventing people from procreating? This is actually a serious discussion?
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12-08-2014, 07:55 PM | #1916 | |
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The turn was (somewhere) about overpopulation ... which ties directly into previous conversations in (an)other thread, about how unemployment isn't a shortage of jobs, it's an excess of people. I believe the tangent here also involved robots at some point.
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12-08-2014, 07:56 PM | #1917 |
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It also isn't exactly a novel idea (forced birth control) ...
Note the date on this quickly Googled link? 1993. That's a (D) governor discussing it btw. (the headline isn't all the content) Governor's Welfare Plan Pushes Free Birth Control - New York Times
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My post had less to do with random changing of topics (this thread has already jumped the shark in that regard) and more to do with disbelief that we're even discussing the current subject as if forced sterilization or anything to prevent people from procreating isn't a ridiculously totalitarian human rights violation.
I'm all for offering low cost/free birth control. That's just basic common sense as far as government programs go. But the idea that we would even entertain the idea of something mandatory being a reasonable idea (whether it's realistic or not) is just insanely crazy.
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Not nearly as utterly insane as the notion (which I think came up in this thread) of some sort of minimum wage for breathing ... but it didn't stop it from being mentioned.
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12-08-2014, 08:23 PM | #1923 | |
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I'm thinking that a company like Walmart doesn't get as rich as it does by making useless stores. In addition, have you been to a Walmart lately... they aren't primarily a grocery store.
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This sounds like the beginning of a sci-fi dystopia novel, not an actual reasonable proposal (and no, it isn't a reasonable proposal at all).
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What a ridiculously Mathusian view of economics. If y'all are going to suggest forced sterilization for people who can't pass a parent test, I'm going to insist on refraining from talking about economics if you don't have an economics degree.
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In the case of Athens, that was a primary purpose (the location was an unusual size, about twice that of a typical grocery-only, about half that of a standard supercenter). And they were the ONLY grocery provider willing to even discuss scaling to the development or even adapt their exterior to the "urban landscape" model required. Nobody else -- the market here includes Kroger, Publix, Ingles, Fresh Market and Trader Joes -- was even willing to consider coming into that space ... which is why it's now (yay us) even more apartments.
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FYI, getting rid of bad parents would also virtually get rid of strippers... and Florida state football.
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I realize it isn't possible, and I never suggested forced sterilization. It just annoys me that people continue to have children they can't afford, or have children they can't or aren't willing to parent. This goes for the poorest of the poor as well as the Cromarties of the world. |
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Add Southland and make it a 2/3. Or just a couple episodes of Cops.
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I had a pretty serious addiction to the show Cops when I was younger.
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I'll volunteer to be sterilized if that helps with anything.
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I thought this cnn editorial has good points. But I wonder, in the age of wanting give stars second+ chances and tearful, public apologies, at what point does being reformed kick in or does ever it not?
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Wahlburg is a schmuck.
He's an embarrassment to this state. I wouldn't eat at Wahlburger's if it was the last burger place on earth. Fuck him. |
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When was the last time Wahlberg committed a crime? If he's been clean for a long time then I say why not?
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Not surprise that a thread based on minorities ended in a discussion of sterilization.
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Two points: First, to answer your question, yes. If a person is a law abiding citizen for a long time then I wouldn't mind a pardon (or at least some kind of suspension). Second-
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When you read the general criteria the MA executive branch is supposed to use is determining whether to exercise it's pardon power, Wahlberg seems like an ideal candidate in a lot of ways. But he's also not your typical rehabilitative success story. His "extraordinary contribution to society" really wasn't about "a means of restoring community and making amend for earlier misdeeds." He just got rich and discovered it's easier not to be a violent thug when you're a rich guy. If I'm the governor and pardon committee, I'd rather use that power for people who have say, gang-related convictions, and then turned around their lives and contributed to the community by helping others avoid going down that same path. Maybe that's too narrow. But I'm also not sure that the "compelling need" for a pardon required by the governor's pardon policy contemplates helping out a multi-millionaire establish a chain of restaurants.
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Also I think it sets a better example for people that actions have consequences. He committed a vile act and there are consequences for that. Don't want to be labeled a felon for life? Don't commit a felony!
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Wait, lost in the Wahlberg article, George Zimmerman was WHITE?!?! Damn. Never knew.
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I don't know enough of the facts in the Wahlberg case, but lots of felons need pardoned, especially non-violent ones. The restrictions on voting and the limitations on employment carry on for decades after the crime has been "paid for".
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I think Zimmerman was given hinorary white status because it helped the narrative more than him being hispanic.
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