LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Alan T

My thoughts is if in the 200+ posts from hoopsguy he doesn't even once mention that he is not spawn or that he is a good guy, or something then that is a bit concerning as smart wolves know if there is an empath they have to be careful with what they say and how.. If he does have something then you can choose that sentence for Barkeep to scan.

I'm using Hoops as an example here, obviously apply it to the person you distrust the most thus far. The only other comment I would say is avoid complex sentences or phrases that include AND statements in it or where one part of the sentence may be true and one part may be false, as it will make the whole statement false

Hoops danced all around this in complex ways yesterday.

[Marc Vaughan]

my suggestion would be try to go through the posts of people whom you suspect the most to be a spawn, especially those that talk alot (ie: if you are uneasy about Hoopsguy, he posts so much he has plenty of things to say).. Surely in his 200+ posts you'll find something somewhere that he says he is not a spawn within context of a sentence.. Most GMs frown on an empath asking people to post "I am not a spawn" for scanning. They usually want it to be used within the context of the conversation. (You can drop a PM to Barkeep if you have questions about what you can or can not scan).

Ok fair enough - one proviso, unless I find something blatant I'll probably be cagey using the ability (as its a once a day shot) and because I'm working as well as doing this I'm not as attentive as some of you ..... so feel free to ask me to do something if I'm missing the obvious.

[Alan T]

Update on my night PMs.. I asked BK regarding the spawn thing once we lift off.. and he confirmed that it is in the rules (somewhere) once we lift off any spawnlings will continue to become a spawn, but no new spawnlings can be planeted.. which is just another reason to support no lynch, get off the planet and then worry about who is who..


My nightly PM makes me feel that I am not spawn aware after all.. it makes me think something else though, and really pushes me away from wanting to kill any of the officers today (Hoopsguy or Telle included)

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Path and Jackal: Why are you guys still wounded? Did you not rest last night and the night before?

We were both wounded during the middle of the night in the sleeping quarters; I assume this means that that night didn't count towards the healing process, so really we've only had one undisturbed night.

Do you heal up by staying in the brig, path?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Path and Jackal: Why are you guys still wounded? Did you not rest last night and the night before?

There are only 5 beds (and I didn't get one!); perhaps that's why?

[claphamsa]

way to go!

[Barkeep49]

There is some surprise and confusion when Schmidty rather forcefully insists that Renderfollow him to the infirmary. After a while the two emerge.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by KWhit

And Marc, I'd like you to try to focus on seeing if you can clear our doctor if you can find a statement by him that is pretty definitively stating that he isn't a spawn.

I've been trying as verifying his is imperative imho - unfortunately I haven't come up with anything conclusive yet.

[PackerFanatic]

I assume I am going to be wanted on some sort of mission today, so I will hold off on my phaser recharge research until I hear more.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I don't know if this was answered, but I'll go ahead and throw it out there:

Chubby will be an Officer after one more day of training.

Next question: we still have a ton of cycles of repair to complete. Would it be better for me to train Marc Vaughn to be an Engineer or a Doctor?

I guess it depends if people are going to insist on killing off someone important or not.. if not, then we really can use a second doctor.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So wait, now if Hoops is good then I must be bad?

I'm starting to think I'm just going to end up as the bad lynch this game no matter what I do.

I'm not caught up (thought I did catch a glimpse of an MV reveal) but yeah, that seems wolfish -- like a setup to lynch hoops, then heinz.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

We were both wounded during the middle of the night in the sleeping quarters; I assume this means that that night didn't count towards the healing process, so really we've only had one undisturbed night.

Do you heal up by staying in the brig, path?

I asked at one point and, yes, sleeping in the brig acts like extra beds and gives a full night's rest.

[claphamsa]

i wll be more than willing to fix the engines

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

There is some surprise and confusion when Schmidty rather forcefully insists that Renderfollow him to the infirmary. After a while the two emerge.

I am guessing that Schmidty is the duplicant and chose to scan Render and the fact they both didnt die means Render isn't bad

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

We were both wounded during the middle of the night in the sleeping quarters; I assume this means that that night didn't count towards the healing process, so really we've only had one undisturbed night.

Do you heal up by staying in the brig, path?

This is correct. The night they were wounded was hardly a night of undisturbed rest.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I assume I am going to be wanted on some sort of mission today, so I will hold off on my phaser recharge research until I hear more.

I am pretty sure Kwhit is going to be sending out max away teams today, so yes I bet you will be going out

[Alan T]

Kwhit, what are your thoughts on away teams today? 3 teams?

Telle lead one, Hoopsguy lead one and Saldana lead one?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

There is some surprise and confusion when Schmidty rather forcefully insists that Renderfollow him to the infirmary. After a while the two emerge.

What's this about? Schmidty the water boy forcing an officer into the infirmary? Did I miss Schmidty having some medical knowledge to be used in the infirmary? Or is he quarantining him or something?

[PackerFanatic]

I don't blame him. We have a undamaged hold and 2 (or 3?) planned missions. Let's rock while we can!

[claphamsa]

Ok, last minuit change of plans. Im leaving tongiht instead of tommmroow morning. so I wont be on all day tomrmmow. Im gonna have to wright up lots of conditionals!

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Update on my night PMs.. I asked BK regarding the spawn thing once we lift off.. and he confirmed that it is in the rules (somewhere) once we lift off any spawnlings will continue to become a spawn, but no new spawnlings can be planeted.. which is just another reason to support no lynch, get off the planet and then worry about who is who..


My nightly PM makes me feel that I am not spawn aware after all.. it makes me think something else though, and really pushes me away from wanting to kill any of the officers today (Hoopsguy or Telle included)

I was thinking earlier about this. It didn't sound like spawn awareness to me, it sounded like the absolute trust.

Who has gotten these messages?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I assume I am going to be wanted on some sort of mission today, so I will hold off on my phaser recharge research until I hear more.

Yes, both scientiests will be needed on away missions today.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Kwhit, what are your thoughts on away teams today? 3 teams?

Telle lead one, Hoopsguy lead one and Saldana lead one?

And should Telle & Hoops take a scientist and the rest slaves? (And Saldana with all slaves obviously)

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Kwhit, what are your thoughts on away teams today? 3 teams?

Telle lead one, Hoopsguy lead one and Saldana lead one?

Yes. Here's what I was thinking:

Telle
Scientist
3 slaves

Hoops
Scientist
3 slaves

Saldana
4 slaves

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I am guessing that Schmidty is the duplicant and chose to scan Render and the fact they both didnt die means Render isn't bad

WELL - that's good news! Can anyone else confirm what happened in there?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

No - what I assume is that every one of us would say we're a villager when asked. So it means next to nothing to me when I hear people say it.

This was pretty much my pet peeve with the whole thing, and why I instituted the points system.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I am guessing that Schmidty is the duplicant and chose to scan Render and the fact they both didnt die means Render isn't bad

Why choose Render? The second officer? We need the doc cleared.

[mccollins]

Ok, I'm starting to cross post (which I encouraged others to be careful of) and I have some pressing stuff at work so I'm stepping away for a bit.

Whoever I train won't become that specialist role until this time tomorrow so I'll hold off on the order for now.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by mccollins

WELL - that's good news! Can anyone else confirm what happened in there?

Schmidty probably won't be on until later today... Render seems more hit or miss.. but since both returned from the infirmary, the only possible options are:

1) Schmidty scanned Render as good
2) Schmidty found a spawnling in Render and removed it and Render is still good
3) Schmidty got converted, managed to keep the duplicant ability, fake scanned Render (I don't find this very likely at all)
4) Schmidty is not the duplicant and there is some role that I can't find anywhere that allowed Schmidty to do this (not very likely)...

so I think the fact both returned from the scan tells me that Render is likely fine.

[KWhit]

I'm going to get to planning some missions. Anyone have any better ideas of what I should do with my 2 AP today?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Why choose Render? The second officer? We need the doc cleared.

Not sure, my guess is that he didn't want to get caught up in the Hoops vs whomever debates and he believes Path is likely ok based on metagame reasons so chose Render whom Hoops was pushing to try to get lynched yesterday... I'm betting it was that he felt Hoops was likely bad so he didn't want to die scanning Hoops and went the other direction instead..

Just my guess though, I obviously had hoped Path to be scanned..


Based on the results for repair work from last night and our current status though, I think we should get a new doctor trained up ASAP today, so we can use him tommorrow to scan path

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Schmidty probably won't be on until later today...

So does that mean he had the PM order in yesterday for this to happen after the morning deadline? Why not do it last night? Or is it because it has to be done during the day?

Ok, I'm outta here for real.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm going to get to planning some missions. Anyone have any better ideas of what I should do with my 2 AP today?

How many missions do you have planned already? 1 mining mission from yesterday correct? If so, then I think 2 more planned missions seems like a good use.. Or plan 1 and save the other AP until later in case you need it elsewhere

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by mccollins

So does that mean he had the PM order in yesterday for this to happen after the morning deadline? Why not do it last night? Or is it because it has to be done during the day?

Ok, I'm outta here for real.

I think the doctor role is day time only, and yesterday Schmidty used his AP to round up slaves, so last night he probably put in an order for first thing today to scan Render

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Based on the results for repair work from last night and our current status though, I think we should get a new doctor trained up ASAP today, so we can use him tommorrow to scan path

Agreed 100%.

[Tyrith]

Alan, ultimately I think that strategy is just not going to be sufficient. If we wait until we're in space to start lynching people we're going to be looking at something like 15-5 if we're lucky -- and those are the kinds of odds that lose us games fast. Especially when the ship starts breaking around us. We may not have been facing 4 spawnlings at the start, but you better believe that our situation is going to RAPIDLY get worse without our intervention. It's the height of folly, I believe, to think that we get along for four or five days on nothing but one doctor scan a day.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

How many missions do you have planned already? 1 mining mission from yesterday correct?

Yes, I think that's right, since we ended up not using the 2nd mining mission.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Alan, ultimately I think that strategy is just not going to be sufficient. If we wait until we're in space to start lynching people we're going to be looking at something like 15-5 if we're lucky -- and those are the kinds of odds that lose us games fast. Especially when the ship starts breaking around us. We may not have been facing 4 spawnlings at the start, but you better believe that our situation is going to RAPIDLY get worse without our intervention. It's the height of folly, I believe, to think that we get along for four or five days on nothing but one doctor scan a day.

15-5 seems like a bit rough odds for most WW games.. but WW games where you have Multiple bodyguards, multiple seers, an empath, an absolute trust group, etc... is very winnable once in space. Very very winnable.

It is only if we kill off good guys here taking shots in the dark while on the planet and then either don't even get into space, or turn that 15-5 into more like 9-5 once we are in space do we make it really tough

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Based on the results for repair work from last night and our current status though, I think we should get a new doctor trained up ASAP today, so we can use him tommorrow to scan path

ASAP would mean RendeR would use his role to do something and I think Chubby should finish his training sooner rather than later (or is that off-base?).

We have 33 cycles of repair that need to be done overall (9 Engine, 6 Water Plant, 18 beds (though not all are necessary with the brig and any lynchings)) and 6 cycles of available work per day and night (5 engineers + Tyrith bonus).

Originally, I had planned to go Engineer then Doctor. Looking at the work to be done, the Engine should be done after a Day and Night and then the Water Plant could be finished during Day 4.

I started this post to show why I was leaning towards Engineer, but I've talked myself into leaning towards Doctor again.

Okay seriously leaving (unless someone else posted something....)

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Alan T

15-5 seems like a bit rough odds for most WW games.. but WW games where you have Multiple bodyguards, multiple seers, an empath, an absolute trust group, etc... is very winnable once in space. Very very winnable.

It is only if we kill off good guys here taking shots in the dark while on the planet and then either don't even get into space, or turn that 15-5 into more like 9-5 once we are in space do we make it really tough

We're going to get at most three lynches here; it's worth it to us if we get even 1. And the extra information we get will be worth a bucket load.

I think it's the height of folly to think that this game was designed in such a way that this strategy can work. Maybe I'm wrong -- maybe we've found the secret strategy that breaks the game open. But it's completely antithetical to the way Werewolf usually works.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by mccollins

ASAP would mean RendeR would use his role to do something and I think Chubby should finish his training sooner rather than later (or is that off-base?).

We have 33 cycles of repair that need to be done overall (9 Engine, 6 Water Plant, 18 beds (though not all are necessary with the brig and any lynchings)) and 6 cycles of available work per day and night (5 engineers + Tyrith bonus).

Originally, I had planned to go Engineer then Doctor. Looking at the work to be done, the Engine should be done after a Day and Night and then the Water Plant could be finished during Day 4.

I started this post to show why I was leaning towards Engineer, but I've talked myself into leaning towards Doctor again.

Okay seriously leaving (unless someone else posted something....)

I don't think Render can make another doctor, I think you have to. So Render can finish off chubby's training today

[Danny]

I have to get going, but I got the confirmation I was looking for. I am now spawn aware. There was no indication at this point that any of the three engineers I worked with are bad. Doesn't mean they aren't though.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Agreed 100%.

Okay, I think I talked myself into it fully. Just sent the PM.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Why choose Render? The second officer? We need the doc cleared.

Maybe Schmidty didn't care about clearing the doc, and was just suspicious of RendeR? I'm also going to throw out there that Schmidty was hoping to die, and thought RendeR was more likely to be a wolf.

[mccollins]

Ok - remember - 3 away missions today!

Should they all be planned? (Can Saldana use plans, that is?)

Later!

[PurdueBrad]

Okay, I'm going to work on the engines and my PM indicates that I trust the medical staff and the privates, so while I agree we need a lynch, I will not support a candidate from either pool. Do we think that "medical staff" includes Path?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Okay, I'm going to work on the engines and my PM indicates that I trust the medical staff and the privates, so while I agree we need a lynch, I will not support a candidate from either pool. Do we think that "medical staff" includes Path?

Yes, otherwise it'd just be medics.

[jeheinz72]

I'm going to put in to work on the engines.

I also have a nice working relationship with my fellow initial engineers, Tyrith, Danny and PB. I won't be voting for any of them today.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Ok - remember - 3 away missions today!

Should they all be planned? (Can Saldana use plans, that is?)

Later!

KWhit can only plan two. I'd think it would make the most sense for mine and hoops's missions to be the planned ones.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Danny

I have to get going, but I got the confirmation I was looking for. I am now spawn aware. There was no indication at this point that any of the three engineers I worked with are bad. Doesn't mean they aren't though.

Can you expand on this a bit? What kind of message did you get and why do you think it means you're spawn aware?