STARK (GoT) Thread - Page 4

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 08:47 AM

You voted for the wrong person yesterday, basically causing a tie and resulting in, well, hilarity, but also I now gotta deal with my Hand being an Enemy of the Realm.

But, nice work on the raid.

Lathum · 05-23-2013, 09:00 AM

Well lets be honest, I unintentionally played up to my characters persona

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 09:06 AM

CW, do you have an extra castle lying around that I can offer to Baelish?

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 09:07 AM

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 09:08 AM

Of course I do, but the question is...can he be trusted, and is it worth it? That's income and troops I'd be denied for questionable gains. What exactly am I getting out of the deal? Does he swear his allegiance to me and to me alone? Or will he just take the title and continue to accept offers from others as well?

So far he's given us nothing. And he asks for land, title, and income. That's a high price to pay for unproven services.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 09:13 AM

Well, I'm not sure he suddenly becomes a bannerman. We can always offer Catelyn now and the title later to ensure success. I do not think he will betraying your mother at this moment as she would probably stick a knife in his back.

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 09:15 AM

Yeah, maybe when we take some new lands I'd consider it, but the price right now is too high for a man who swears no oaths, and has given us nothing.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 09:17 AM

She I'll offer Catelyn and the promise of land with the promise of information?

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 09:18 AM

Or rather, you help us lead the demise of a King or whichever land you prefer and it is yours?

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 09:20 AM

He's gotta give us something concrete, useful, and reasonably verifiable. I'll set aside some gold for good information right now, but until he shows himself to be repeatedly useful, he gets no wife, no lands, and no titles from the North. If he DOES prove himself, there are many lands who will need new rulers soon, and my mother does need a new husband.

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Or rather, you help us lead the demise of a King or whichever land you prefer and it is yours?

That does sum it up well.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 09:21 AM

Shall I go with that?

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 09:22 AM

Preference of information?
Lannisters
Storms End
Dragonstone

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 09:24 AM

Given the current situations...Renly or Lannisters. Take your pick, I'm sure both will be enlightening.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 09:47 AM

Raven sent

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 10:10 AM

Certainly a tad more testy today. Heh.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 10:13 AM

I do not know Stannis' actions with Gregor, but it certainly destroyed the relationship between brothers.

There HAS to be a mechanism that Stannis cannot allow an enemy of the realm to be his servant. It would go against his nature. Look what he did to Davos.

Really wish we had Jaime on the run. They have too much money to sit around doing nothing with it.

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 10:17 AM

There was no way ANY of us were gonna release our guys today, I think. Unless someone fled of their own volition, this was pretty obvious. I can understand the killing of Clegane, actually. If you read between the lines, I think he may be currying some favor with Varys by executing him.

But, it actually worries me that their fighting will wind up opening the door back up for the Lannisters, when we were well on our way to slamming that shut.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 10:22 AM

Thinking outloud, but if Tywin gets ahold of a faceless man, who would he go after? Stannis, right? I'd say you as well, but Stannis seems to be a huge threat to the Lannisters.

It seems we have no stance on the Mountain being killed.

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 10:29 AM

I don't wanna get drug into that mess about Clegane right now.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 10:41 AM

I received my answer from Baelish. I will not go too much further into detail about any arrangment, but I feel it is there for the taking.

He has offered one of his "birds" for a single gold coin as a showance of faith. CR might need to clarify on if we need to wait a day to get that coin or how that works.

His advice, which is rather non-committal, was that Varys will look to side with Renly and that his actions will be with Renly's elevation to the Iron Throne as his reasoning. It seems a specific group of bannerman must be following Renly and Varys is working towards that end. Baelish warned that he cannot be trust and knows that Robb met with him yesterday.

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 10:46 AM

Nice work. Acting accordingly, we'll see how it turns out.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 10:49 AM

That being said, I would not assume he is fully on team Stark by any stretch. I would imagine any sort of appearance of favoritism might see his value suddenly disappear while on the Small Counsel.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 11:35 AM

Trying to figure out Renly's play is kind of interesting. Say he manages to defeat Stannis. What happens to the bannerman for Stannis? I cannot imagine they go to Renly, but would they suddenly join up with Tywin? Or even us?

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 11:45 AM

I gotta imagine they'll go wherever they think they have the best chance of winning and/or fulfilling whatever private goals they have.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 11:49 AM

Where does someone like Melisandre (Though I imagine if Stannis loses she'll be executed, barring some religious conversion by a Lord) go? Davos and Florant are also very loyal to Stannis. Maybe Davos would come to us for vengeance? As for Renly's guys, Loras will never flip to Stannis, Penrose was pretty loyal in the books, and Brienne will probably flip to anyone who promises vengeance for the death of Renly. So she would be a longshot for us.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 11:53 AM

CW - After speaking with CR, I believe you need to make the order of hiring Baelish's ravens (for the price of 1 gold coin).

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 11:54 AM

What do u think about a play for a faceless man?

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 11:56 AM

No Chance In Hell.

JAG · 05-23-2013, 11:57 AM

It'd be nice if we could buy them before someone else does, but not sure we have the coin to make that happen.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

No Chance In Hell.

What is your reasoning? Not saying I agree/disagree over it, but you would think the Lannisters would make a play for it with their money? Unless they plan on buying off everyone in the game.

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 12:02 PM

I can't say in thread, due to possible spies. There's a reason, though.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 12:04 PM

Works for me! If you send me the cash, I would be more than happy to do so

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 12:36 PM

Lemme just find that loose 250,000 I have sitting in that corner over there.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 12:40 PM

I only need a cool 100K or so

JAG · 05-23-2013, 12:47 PM

Put my fate in the hands of King Robb

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 12:56 PM

Why do we think the Mountain ran, instead of put his fate into Joffrey's hand? Part of game mechanisms right? I don't think the Lannister's would put themselves into harms way by killing a member of their bannermen.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 01:55 PM

Any further tasks for me today?

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 01:55 PM

Maybe he just decided he was gonna turn one way or another, seeing as there was already writing on the wall the Lannisters were gonna get ganged up on, and figured he'd try and cut bait early.

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 01:55 PM

Right now, no. It's too early to know WTF is gonna happen.

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 04:19 PM

Some of those little birds are quite interesting. And amusing.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 04:30 PM

So slow for me

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 04:33 PM

I think I may send you to Renly today, MB.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 04:38 PM

Let me know

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 04:44 PM

Why the hell not.

Couple points I'd like made...one, the constant emissaries to and from the Lannisters is deeply concerning, considering prior agreements.

Two, I'm curious as to what they think of Mellisandre. I maintain having a 'king killing' power is way too out of balance as a power.

Three, I'm curious if they think they have an arrangement with Tywin if he defects.

And fourth...well, find out what you can. See if he has any other offers for us, see what's what. I'm also curious to see if he tries to persuade you to defect.

Got any other thoughts/inquiries before I ship the order in?

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 04:49 PM

Long story short...no binding agreements, but you're free to attempt to negotiate anything you think will help us out, or any bits of intelligence bartering.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 04:50 PM

I'm assuming, for the time being, that we favor Stannis > Renly, if for the simple fact that he hates the Lannisters?

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 04:54 PM

For the time being, Stannis has been more consistent then Renly. He's had his reasons, some of which I know, but I feel I know where Stannis stands a bit more than Renly right now. Which is another reason I'm sending you - he needs to alleviate some concerns I'm having.

Hell, for all I know, Stannis is just better at plotting behind the scenes better.

MrBug708 · 05-23-2013, 04:56 PM

Sounds good, I'll see what I can do!

Coffee Warlord · 05-23-2013, 04:59 PM

Bring back some of that awesome southerner wine.

05-23-2013, 09:07 AM	#154
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Ha!

05-23-2013, 08:47 AM	#151
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	You voted for the wrong person yesterday, basically causing a tie and resulting in, well, hilarity, but also I now gotta deal with my Hand being an Enemy of the Realm. But, nice work on the raid.

05-23-2013, 09:00 AM	#152
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Well lets be honest, I unintentionally played up to my characters persona

05-23-2013, 09:06 AM	#153
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	CW, do you have an extra castle lying around that I can offer to Baelish?

05-23-2013, 09:08 AM	#155
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Of course I do, but the question is...can he be trusted, and is it worth it? That's income and troops I'd be denied for questionable gains. What exactly am I getting out of the deal? Does he swear his allegiance to me and to me alone? Or will he just take the title and continue to accept offers from others as well? So far he's given us nothing. And he asks for land, title, and income. That's a high price to pay for unproven services.

05-23-2013, 09:13 AM	#156
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Well, I'm not sure he suddenly becomes a bannerman. We can always offer Catelyn now and the title later to ensure success. I do not think he will betraying your mother at this moment as she would probably stick a knife in his back.

05-23-2013, 09:15 AM	#157
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Yeah, maybe when we take some new lands I'd consider it, but the price right now is too high for a man who swears no oaths, and has given us nothing.

05-23-2013, 09:17 AM	#158
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	She I'll offer Catelyn and the promise of land with the promise of information?

05-23-2013, 09:18 AM	#159
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Or rather, you help us lead the demise of a King or whichever land you prefer and it is yours?

05-23-2013, 09:20 AM	#160
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	He's gotta give us something concrete, useful, and reasonably verifiable. I'll set aside some gold for good information right now, but until he shows himself to be repeatedly useful, he gets no wife, no lands, and no titles from the North. If he DOES prove himself, there are many lands who will need new rulers soon, and my mother does need a new husband.

05-23-2013, 09:21 AM	#162
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Shall I go with that?

05-23-2013, 09:22 AM	#163
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Preference of information? Lannisters Storms End Dragonstone

05-23-2013, 09:24 AM	#164
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Given the current situations...Renly or Lannisters. Take your pick, I'm sure both will be enlightening.

05-23-2013, 09:47 AM	#165
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Raven sent

05-23-2013, 10:10 AM	#166
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Certainly a tad more testy today. Heh.

05-23-2013, 10:13 AM	#167
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I do not know Stannis' actions with Gregor, but it certainly destroyed the relationship between brothers. There HAS to be a mechanism that Stannis cannot allow an enemy of the realm to be his servant. It would go against his nature. Look what he did to Davos. Really wish we had Jaime on the run. They have too much money to sit around doing nothing with it.

05-23-2013, 10:17 AM	#168
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	There was no way ANY of us were gonna release our guys today, I think. Unless someone fled of their own volition, this was pretty obvious. I can understand the killing of Clegane, actually. If you read between the lines, I think he may be currying some favor with Varys by executing him. But, it actually worries me that their fighting will wind up opening the door back up for the Lannisters, when we were well on our way to slamming that shut.

05-23-2013, 10:22 AM	#169
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Thinking outloud, but if Tywin gets ahold of a faceless man, who would he go after? Stannis, right? I'd say you as well, but Stannis seems to be a huge threat to the Lannisters. It seems we have no stance on the Mountain being killed.

05-23-2013, 10:29 AM	#170
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I don't wanna get drug into that mess about Clegane right now.

05-23-2013, 10:41 AM	#171
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I received my answer from Baelish. I will not go too much further into detail about any arrangment, but I feel it is there for the taking. He has offered one of his "birds" for a single gold coin as a showance of faith. CR might need to clarify on if we need to wait a day to get that coin or how that works. His advice, which is rather non-committal, was that Varys will look to side with Renly and that his actions will be with Renly's elevation to the Iron Throne as his reasoning. It seems a specific group of bannerman must be following Renly and Varys is working towards that end. Baelish warned that he cannot be trust and knows that Robb met with him yesterday.

05-23-2013, 10:46 AM	#172
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Nice work. Acting accordingly, we'll see how it turns out.

05-23-2013, 10:49 AM	#173
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	That being said, I would not assume he is fully on team Stark by any stretch. I would imagine any sort of appearance of favoritism might see his value suddenly disappear while on the Small Counsel.

05-23-2013, 11:35 AM	#174
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Trying to figure out Renly's play is kind of interesting. Say he manages to defeat Stannis. What happens to the bannerman for Stannis? I cannot imagine they go to Renly, but would they suddenly join up with Tywin? Or even us?

05-23-2013, 11:45 AM	#175
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I gotta imagine they'll go wherever they think they have the best chance of winning and/or fulfilling whatever private goals they have.

05-23-2013, 11:49 AM	#176
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Where does someone like Melisandre (Though I imagine if Stannis loses she'll be executed, barring some religious conversion by a Lord) go? Davos and Florant are also very loyal to Stannis. Maybe Davos would come to us for vengeance? As for Renly's guys, Loras will never flip to Stannis, Penrose was pretty loyal in the books, and Brienne will probably flip to anyone who promises vengeance for the death of Renly. So she would be a longshot for us.

05-23-2013, 11:53 AM	#177
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	CW - After speaking with CR, I believe you need to make the order of hiring Baelish's ravens (for the price of 1 gold coin).

05-23-2013, 11:54 AM	#178
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	What do u think about a play for a faceless man?

05-23-2013, 11:56 AM	#179
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	No Chance In Hell.

05-23-2013, 12:02 PM	#182
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I can't say in thread, due to possible spies. There's a reason, though.

05-23-2013, 12:04 PM	#183
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Works for me! If you send me the cash, I would be more than happy to do so

05-23-2013, 12:36 PM	#184
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Lemme just find that loose 250,000 I have sitting in that corner over there.