Breaking News: Apple Announces the iPad 3 March 7, 2012

[jeff061]

I would say any Netbook, period. Take your pick. Just keep it in hibernation for reduced boot times.

But if you need the touchscreen quick search brings.


Also HP/MS have a nice looking tablet coming out in June. I prefer a Linux OS, since that can be much more customized for a low power platform and already has huge app support. But Windows 7 beats the hell out of the iPad OS.

[MrBug708]

My mother's arrived yesterday

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Not a conspiracy at all, that's fact and a point of contention with the iPhone almost since it's inception. Too be honest, I didn't even know anyone would debate it. Even Apple will tell you that, what they won't tell you are guidelines or reasons for rejected apps.

Google Voice and PDANet could potentially cut into ATT profits, Apple played the good partner and rejected them. Viewing naked people is immoral I guess, so you can't do that either.

I am curious why you think it's conspiracy. Do you think people publish their own apps on the store? Every single app has to be vetted by Apple, Apple kills a large number of them without citing specific reasons. Not debatable.

I guess I don't understand what the big deal is? I could care less to see naked women apps on an ipad.. again, I have a laptop and desktop pc to do that on. MS has to approve patches and downloadable content on the 360 and Sony for the ps3.

The ipad is for quick, simple access to the internet, email, and some great apps you can purchase. I was just thinking last night how it would have been nice to quickly fire it up and look up some baseball stats without having to go and turn my pc on.

[Subby]

I think Apple haters may actually be worse than the fan boys.

[jeff061]

I'm not an Apple hater, I'm an iPad hater. OSX is a great OS, iPhone and iPod were and are great devices. This is probably the only Apple device I am against.

The naked women thing was just to make a point. They have been denying apps that compete with their products, that doesn't raise a red flag? If it becomes a norm for all companies to start doing it they can get even more brazen. Maybe at some point in the future they decide political or religious apps are too controversial and stop allowing those? They should not have that type of control over something you bought.

I was hoping the iPad was going to be a minimilastic OSX. It's not, it's some atrocity that tries to make dangerous practices acceptable. Maybe once this takes off they expand the app store to OSX and prevent you from installing anything else. This is easily the potential scenario.

[DanGarion]

Netflix on iPad is pretty interesting...

[DanGarion]

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[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by jeff061

I'm not an Apple hater, I'm an iPad hater. OSX is a great OS, iPhone and iPod were and are great devices. This is probably the only Apple device I am against.

The naked women thing was just to make a point. They have been denying apps that compete with their products, that doesn't raise a red flag? If it becomes a norm for all companies to start doing it they can get even more brazen. Maybe at some point in the future they decide political or religious apps are too controversial and stop allowing those? They should not have that type of control over something you bought.

I was hoping the iPad was going to be a minimilastic OSX. It's not, it's some atrocity that tries to make dangerous practices acceptable. Maybe once this takes off they expand the app store to OSX and prevent you from installing anything else. This is easily the potential scenario.

Apple is a for profit company and they can dictate what does and does not get into their playground. It's not a democracy. If you want to play, you have to play by Apple's rules, plain and simple. There's no conspiracy other than Apple trying to make as much profit as possible.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Apple is a for profit company and they can dictate what does and does not get into their playground. It's not a democracy. If you want to play, you have to play by Apple's rules, plain and simple. There's no conspiracy other than Apple trying to make as much profit as possible.

Which is patently unfair to Microsoft, since government agencies around the world are infringing on their right to make a profit in many areas.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Which is patently unfair to Microsoft, since government agencies around the world are infringing on their right to make a profit in many areas.

Because microsoft has an inordinate amount of proliferation in the market, Apple does not.

Left out: I also feel that microsoft should be allowed to make as much profit as possible as well.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Apple is a for profit company and they can dictate what does and does not get into their playground. It's not a democracy. If you want to play, you have to play by Apple's rules, plain and simple. There's no conspiracy other than Apple trying to make as much profit as possible.

Thank you captain obvious. I didn't say it was illegal. Just that consumers shouldn't support it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

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i've got an evest...they're pretty cool actually.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Thank you captain obvious. I didn't say it was illegal. Just that consumers shouldn't support it.

exactly

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Thank you captain obvious. I didn't say it was illegal. Just that consumers shouldn't support it.

Easy there Captain Sensitive...that's the great thing about a free market, they can choose to support it or not.

[dawgfan]

It could very well be vapor-ware, but I'm far more interested in the rumored Microsoft Courier book-style tablet PC than the iPad:

http://www.liliputing.com/tag/courier

[Glengoyne]

The deal is this is somewhat of an established market they've built. iPhone and iPod Touch users have created a market for app developers whose apps Apple did bless. This is a lucrative market, and it has drawn developers, closed environment and all. The existing users will have little to prevent them from adopting the iPad. New apps will draw in more buyers as well.

The iPad keeps being compared to a PC. It isn't a PC. It serves functions that PCs can't or don't.

It could be more, yes. It is what it is, and the marketplace and application developers will determine its fate.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

The deal is this is somewhat of an established market they've built. iPhone and iPod Touch users have created a market for app developers whose apps Apple did bless. This is a lucrative market, and it has drawn developers, closed environment and all. The existing users will have little to prevent them from adopting the iPad. New apps will draw in more buyers as well.

The iPad keeps being compared to a PC. It isn't a PC. It serves functions that PCs can't or don't.

It could be more, yes. It is what it is, and the marketplace and application developers will determine its fate.

+1

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Easy there Captain Sensitive...that's the great thing about a free market, they can choose to support it or not.

I know they can, Christ. I feel like you are making me dumber. Yes, they can do whatever they want. I know this. Why do you seem too think that has anything to do with what I am saying? You keep posting things that are completely and utterly irrelevant.

They could also put a hunk of metal in a box and charge $1000, but if people didn't buy it they'd probably stop doing that.

Please don't respond "But it's a free market, if they want to sell a hunk of metal they can".

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

The deal is this is somewhat of an established market they've built. iPhone and iPod Touch users have created a market for app developers whose apps Apple did bless. This is a lucrative market, and it has drawn developers, closed environment and all. The existing users will have little to prevent them from adopting the iPad. New apps will draw in more buyers as well.

The iPad keeps being compared to a PC. It isn't a PC. It serves functions that PCs can't or don't.

It could be more, yes. It is what it is, and the marketplace and application developers will determine its fate.

It costs as much or more than a PC and does less. Not sure I understand what separates it? Maybe battery life(which is actually very impressive), about the only thing I can think of. But you can still get 6 hours pretty easy elsewhere.

It is very stylish, and if that's why you want to buy it that's fine. I don't think a whole hell of a lot of people own up to that though .

[MJ4H]

I see absolutely no benefit over a laptop and I already have one of those. Just being able to put it on my knees? Eh, I already pretty much do that with a laptop. Maybe on the shitter it would be a bit better. But I still want to be able to multi-task, even when I'm taking a dump. Maybe I'm not the target market?

[terpkristin]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

I see absolutely no benefit over a laptop and I already have one of those. Just being able to put it on my knees? Eh, I already pretty much do that with a laptop. Maybe on the shitter it would be a bit better. But I still want to be able to multi-task, even when I'm taking a dump. Maybe I'm not the target market?

I don't think I am. Laptops on both floors of the house, plus an iPod Touch, I just can't see myself buying one. Then again, I said the same thing about the Kindle and I've had one of those for a year now...

/tk

[MizzouRah]

I think it's cool for what it's intended to do, price sucks, but so did HD TV's about a year ago.

I'll probably wait unless I win the lottery, but the biggiest draw for me is being able to surf the net with ease, check emails, view pictures, listen to music.. all with excellent portability. Plus, I would want the 3G model so I could surf anywhere I wanted to. I mean, being able to show off pictures and surf the net while over at a relatives house without having to boot my laptop, seems cool to me.

It's not everyone's cup of tea and that's fine. Unlike the psp, which I've bought and returned 2 of them, I might actually get lots of use out of an ipad.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I think it's cool for what it's intended to do, price sucks, but so did HD TV's about a year ago.

I'll probably wait unless I win the lottery, but the biggiest draw for me is being able to surf the net with ease, check emails, view pictures, listen to music.. all with excellent portability. Plus, I would want the 3G model so I could surf anywhere I wanted to. I mean, being able to show off pictures and surf the net while over at a relatives house without having to boot my laptop, seems cool to me.

It's not everyone's cup of tea and that's fine. Unlike the psp, which I've bought and returned 2 of them, I might actually get lots of use out of an ipad.

doesn't take that long to boot your average netbook either though mizzou

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

doesn't take that long to boot your average netbook either though mizzou

True.. I priced one out which is about the same as a 16 GB base iPad - although not as quick processor wise and so SSD HD, but definitely something I'll look into.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by jeff061

It costs as much or more than a PC and does less. Not sure I understand what separates it? Maybe battery life(which is actually very impressive), about the only thing I can think of. But you can still get 6 hours pretty easy elsewhere.

It is very stylish, and if that's why you want to buy it that's fine. I don't think a whole hell of a lot of people own up to that though .

It doesn't do "less" than a PC. It does different things. Similar things to be sure, but different. I'll look at it from the comparison to the iTouch. I find the iTouch gets a lot of my time...namely because there are apps available that let me do a lot of leisure activities all bundled together there on my iPod. I wouldn't do those things on a PC. A PC with its interface designed to do PC things would get in my way when I wanted to read a ebook...or play one of the 99 cent games, or listen to a song, or watch a scene from or a whole movie, or browse for another 99 cent or free game to while away my time. The iTouch does all of those things better than a PC. I know..I have a laptop. It sits on the desktop now, and if I want to do PC stuff from my Lay Z Boy, I RDP over to the laptop and then come back to my iTouch. The iPad fits the same niche, but its size broadens the applications and in many cases improves the implementation.

I'm no apple fan boy. I've not been an early adopter of any of their products. I'm staunchly in the PC camp when it comes to the home or office computer. I didn't exactly jump on the ipod revolution, waiting until the price point hit my threshold. My phone is a Motorola Razor. I only bought the iTouch this December when my iPod died on a business trip. The Touch came in at $199, and offered a great feature set. Now I've definitely come to appreciate that feature set, and see that the larger dimensions of the iPad open up a number of opportunities. Frankly opportunities that aren't available for a laptop or Netbook.

So it doesn't do less than a PC. It does different things, and a number of things that a PC can't.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

It doesn't do "less" than a PC. It does different things. Similar things to be sure, but different. I'll look at it from the comparison to the iTouch. I find the iTouch gets a lot of my time...namely because there are apps available that let me do a lot of leisure activities all bundled together there on my iPod. I wouldn't do those things on a PC. A PC with its interface designed to do PC things would get in my way when I wanted to read a ebook...or play one of the 99 cent games, or listen to a song, or watch a scene from or a whole movie, or browse for another 99 cent or free game to while away my time. The iTouch does all of those things better than a PC. I know..I have a laptop. It sits on the desktop now, and if I want to do PC stuff from my Lay Z Boy, I RDP over to the laptop and then come back to my iTouch. The iPad fits the same niche, but its size broadens the applications and in many cases improves the implementation.


I'm no apple fan boy. I've not been an early adopter of any of their products. I'm staunchly in the PC camp when it comes to the home or office computer. I didn't exactly jump on the ipod revolution, waiting until the price point hit my threshold. My phone is a Motorola Razor. I only bought the iTouch this December when my iPod died on a business trip. The Touch came in at $199, and offered a great feature set. Now I've definitely come to appreciate that feature set, and see that the larger dimensions of the iPad open up a number of opportunities. Frankly opportunities that aren't available for a laptop or Netbook.

So it doesn't do less than a PC. It does different things, and a number of things that a PC can't.

to be fair - a PC can do those things, you just don't prefer to do them on a PC

[Subby]

I love the potential of the iPad. Something I was thinking about today, in fact. I save a lot of my old magazines in case I want to go back and read articles. It would be so great if I could have instant access to all of them on my iPad.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

to be fair - a PC can do those things, you just don't prefer to do them on a PC

If the implementation gets in the way, then it is in the way. Even if the right word is "won't", I'm going to stick with "can't". Immediate gratification and all.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Subby

I love the potential of the iPad. Something I was thinking about today, in fact. I save a lot of my old magazines in case I want to go back and read articles. It would be so great if I could have instant access to all of them on my iPad.

Sure you could do that. You might even have room for a couple of songs on it, too, if you buy the one of the expensive* ones.

*even more ridiculously expensive, I mean

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

If the implementation gets in the way, then it is in the way. Even if the right word is "won't", I'm going to stick with "can't". Immediate gratification and all.

Wait, what is it that you are saying a PC can't or won't do?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Unofficial (Fake) Facebook App Becomes iPad Hit

Facebook Ultimate IconAn unofficial Facebook application has surged to the top of the iTunes charts after charging $2.99 for the only Facebook iPad application currently available. While it’s not clear whether or not Facebook will force the developers to shut the application down due to trademark infractions, it’s clear that hundreds, if not thousands of people have been duped. All that Joe Hewitt, the original developer of the official Facebook iPhone app could say is “#7 paid app is the 2.99 ‘Facebook Ultimate!’…. Sigh.”

I think the real issue with this application is that people who download the application might actually think that they are getting an official Facebook application, which it isn’t. It not only starts off with the Facebook name, but it also has a similar logo. Additionally, it doesn’t specifically state that it’s not an official app. While we’d assume that Facebook is considering development of an iPad app, this one is definitely not an application you’ll want to grab. Some developer has clearly made a decent amount from selling this app as it has been in the top 10 paid iPad applications for the past 24 hours.

There’s no doubt that having the ability to navigate through Facebook on the iPad would be useful. For now though, you can simply visit the website and it isn’t too much trouble thanks to the large screen. With around 1 million devices sold, there’s no way of telling how popular the device will become and while many popular sites have developed iPad applications, many others are still on the sidelines.

If you want to pay $3 to access Facebook through an application that makes Facebook harder to use, go grab Facebook Ultimate!. Otherwise, wait on Facebook to make an official version, or deal with browsing Facebook through your internet browser.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by jeff061

I know they can, Christ. I feel like you are making me dumber. Yes, they can do whatever they want. I know this. Why do you seem too think that has anything to do with what I am saying? You keep posting things that are completely and utterly irrelevant.

They could also put a hunk of metal in a box and charge $1000, but if people didn't buy it they'd probably stop doing that.

Please don't respond "But it's a free market, if they want to sell a hunk of metal they can".

So, because I disagree with your statement regarding how Apple restricts what gets sold through the App store, now I'm making you dumber. Sorry to offend your intelligence.

What I'm saying IS relevant, because you are saying that it's too restrictive and dangerous practices are being used. Dangerous? Because a company wants to have control of what goes through their store that they could be potentially liable for? I see it more as a CYA and how to maximize profits (in addition to them being able to do whatever they want) than somewhere down the line, all of sudden people can't pull up jesuschrist.com or rushisright.com or use an app that pulls articles from those sites or keep an app out of consumers hands that translates the koran into english or whatever.

Seriously though Jeff, the name calling and the snarky comments don't really do much for having a decent conversation about this and just because I say it's a free market or don't agree with your point of view, doesn't make my point any less legitimate than yours or that I'm trying to be argumentative. I was neither put off or offended by the comment of yours that I initially responded to and was making the point that, I don't think it's really that big of a deal.

For the sake of disclosure, I don't like the iPad either. It doesn't offer me anything that I find useful. Maybe somewhere in the future it might, but, until then, I don't plan on getting one. Oh, and I don't have an iPhone either, but, that's because I can't stand at&t.

[MizzouRah]

It's pretty simple, if you don't like it, you don't have to buy it - just like the ipod, there are alternatives.

I like the way Apple does some things and the ipad is interesting to say the least - albeit very expensive.

[MJ4H]

Already jailbroken, apparently.

[lordscarlet]

Please stop comparing the iPad to a netbook. They are not the same thing.

[McSweeny]

300,000 sold on the first day

[Drake]

I read the very interesting Endgadget review of the iPad yesterday. I think I agree with them that this device is in some ways a revolutionary take on the computing experience. (I actually ended up being much, much more interested in Microsoft's Courier prototype, but that's just me.)

That said, I can't see any reason that I'd want one. I like my son's iPod, but not enough to want one of my own. I think it's cool...but I wouldn't get enough use out of what it does to justify it (sort of like the Kindle -- cool tech, but I don't read enough e-books to justify the cost).

Oddly enough, I could think of about a dozen awesome ways I could use it at work to be more productive and share info, but there's just not enough appeal as a home user.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Sure you could do that. You might even have room for a couple of songs on it, too, if you buy the one of the expensive* ones.

*even more ridiculously expensive, I mean

No - I agree...I was thinking more about potential...so looking at 3rd and 4th generation devices.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

would be nice to be able to hit a power button and start surfing from just about anywhere - much easier than firing up my laptop and lugging it around.

Batter lasts 10 hours, lucky to get 2 from my laptop battery.

Could put all my itunes and pictures, email, etc.. on it, tons of apps will be coming soon.

Didn't you just describe a smartphone?

[Subby]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Didn't you just describe a smartphone?

If there was a smartphone with a kickass huge screen, yes.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Subby

If there was a smartphone with a kickass huge screen, yes.

+1

[Cringer]

Originally Posted by Subby

No - I agree...I was thinking more about potential...so looking at 3rd and 4th generation devices.

I think that is where this thing may get to the point of nearly being 'must have' if not all the way. Some upgrades to hardware (although with Apple some of what I would want is doubtful) and simply time for devs to create some great things. Right now getting this thing is pointless to me.

Originally Posted by Subby

If there was a smartphone with a kickass huge screen, yes.

Smartphone with a 5 inch screen big enough, or do you need bigger? The Dell Mini5....

Dell Mini 5: we have it (update: new pics and video!) -- Engadget

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Wait, what is it that you are saying a PC can't or won't do?

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

It doesn't do "less" than a PC. It does different things. Similar things to be sure, but different. I'll look at it from the comparison to the iTouch. I find the iTouch gets a lot of my time...namely because there are apps available that let me do a lot of leisure activities all bundled together there on my iPod. I wouldn't do those things on a PC. A PC with its interface designed to do PC things would get in my way when I wanted to read a ebook...or play one of the 99 cent games, or listen to a song, or watch a scene from or a whole movie, or browse for another 99 cent or free game to while away my time. The iTouch does all of those things better than a PC. I know..I have a laptop. It sits on the desktop now, and if I want to do PC stuff from my Lay Z Boy, I RDP over to the laptop and then come back to my iTouch. The iPad fits the same niche, but its size broadens the applications and in many cases improves the implementation.

...

So it doesn't do less than a PC. It does different things, and a number of things that a PC can't.

In short the iPad doesn't seek to replace a PC. The iPad performs a number of the same functions, but implements them in a better fashion.

For example, I'm not going to read a book on my PC(Been there done that). An iPad is a different story altogether.

[MJ4H]

Yeah I was just wondering where the does "a number of things a PC can't" part came from. If you meant something different ok. Just clarifying.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by jeff061

I would say any Netbook, period. Take your pick. Just keep it in hibernation for reduced boot times..

Quite a few net books come with Linux installed on flash as an instant boot/browse option now.

(admittedly though I'm posting this via my iPad rather than a net book ;-) )

[Neuqua]

Marc, what do you think so far?

[cartman]

I saw one of the Dell Mini5s last month at a Mobile Mondays event. I was pretty underwhelmed with it. The form factor was awesome, but the usability sucked, at least with the initial impression I got in the 5 or so minutes I got to hold it.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by jeff061

I would say any Netbook, period. Take your pick. Just keep it in hibernation for reduced boot times.

But if you need the touchscreen quick search brings.


Also HP/MS have a nice looking tablet coming out in June. I prefer a Linux OS, since that can be much more customized for a low power platform and already has huge app support. But Windows 7 beats the hell out of the iPad OS.

Maybe I should rephrase and ask about something actually AVAILABLE that is better than the iPad?

Look - I won't be buying an iPad unless the price structure changes pretty dramatically. However, I just don't agree that there is something out there that has some of the convenience benefits, etc that the iPad has with the screen size.

[DaddyTorgo]

FYI

iPad: Apple on Monday released some carefully selected data points from the devices' closely watched launch (over 300,00 units sold on Day One, over 1 million apps purchased, over 250,000 books downloaded). But as the inevitable second-week stories about early problems dribble in (so far we've heard that iPads can overheat in the sun and may have Wi-Fi issues), Apple may choose, before the end of the week, to counter them with some more nice round numbers.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

FYI

iPad: Apple on Monday released some carefully selected data points from the devices' closely watched launch (over 300,00 units sold on Day One, over 1 million apps purchased, over 250,000 books downloaded). But as the inevitable second-week stories about early problems dribble in (so far we've heard that iPads can overheat in the sun and may have Wi-Fi issues), Apple may choose, before the end of the week, to counter them with some more nice round numbers.

Hey MBBF called...he wants his shtick back.