Werewolf LXI - Ocean's Eleven (GAME OVER, SEE PAGE 19 FOR RESULT.)

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

villegar checking in

nice and timely :P

[PurdueBrad]

A limo pulls up to the Desert Inn. From the back leaps Barkeep49, who dons his very best Wayne Newton disguise. Barkeep is flanked on either side by his entourage of ntndeacon and Telle, fending off the papparazzi and leading the 'star' into the casino.

As "Wayne Newton" enters, all eyes inside the Desert Inn turn to observe the scene. Barkeep peels off tens and twenties, throwing them to the adoring crowd (or "making it rain" in Pacman Jones' world).

In the meantime, Claphamsa stands near the card tables, a remote control in hand. With just one push of the button, the remote would send an electric charge into the automatic card shufflers, overloading them, and spewing cards into the sky.

Finally, Passacaglia remains near the slot machines, with a small electromagnetic pulse that will cause each of the slot machines to jackpot simultaneously.

In the midst of all of this confusion, the rest of the team stands ready to raid the vault when security comes pouring onto the casino floor.

Claphamsa's hand trembles, Passacaglia's begins to put a bit of pressure on the button when...

The real Wayne Newton walks out of an elevator and directly into Barkeep. Newton cocks his head to the side, it's as though he's staring into a mirror. The jig is up, but before the team is doomed, Newton laughs and says, "Oh, an impersonator. You need to work on your Sinatra a bit."

With the diversion now blown, your team has no choice but to make their way out of the casino to try again another night.

[claphamsa]

WTF

[PurdueBrad]

The team regroups at the Carnegie Deli in the Mirage Casino, crestfallen. Most arrive, but one does not. In trying to get out of the casino, the team feels as though the poor planning can only be the fault of one person...St. Cronin. You decide that he must take the fall and you leave him behind. St. Cronin tries to sneak out of the Employees Only area of the casino but is apprehended with ease. Your team feels better at possibly outing a wolf...


...only to find that you have sacrificed Danny Oceans himself.

[PurdueBrad]

Terry Benedict sits on high in his penthouse suite, watching his casino's cameras, and laughs at each of you for your ineptitude. His arrogance is so great that, strangely, nobody from your team is removed over the course of the night.


BEGIN DAY 2...

[Lathum]

oops

[Lorena]

lol

[Abe Sargent]

Oceans dying sucks. On the other hand, no kill?

On Night One?

Smells like conversion

[chesapeake]

Unbelievable.

[path12]

Wow. Is it me, or have we had a lot of crappy day ones lately?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by path12

Wow. Is it me, or have we had a lot of crappy day ones lately?

It's you, since one of those crappy D1s was you dying as a bad guy . Last game you duked me and I was a bad guy. Seems to me we've had a bunch of good D1s lately.

[Barkeep49]

Based on the way PB wrote up the description I'm voting Lathum since I read the description as a missed action and Lathum was, apparently, not around D1.

Vote Lathum

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Based on the way PB wrote up the description I'm voting Lathum since I read the description as a missed action and Lathum was, apparently, not around D1.

Vote Lathum

thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.

I would assume there are more then 1 wolf in the game that could perform a night action.

And sorry for missng the deadliine, I was driving back from NJ today and it took a little longer then expected.

[Lathum]

dola- I am going to bed but will be around tomorrow.

I think I am fighting off what barkeep has, I also puked last night and feel pretty down today so I am turning in early after the long drive home.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

It's you, since one of those crappy D1s was you dying as a bad guy . Last game you duked me and I was a bad guy. Seems to me we've had a bunch of good D1s lately.

Oh yeah, that's why. I wasn't happy about doing the duke until after the result, either. Never mind then.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Based on the way PB wrote up the description I'm voting Lathum since I read the description as a missed action and Lathum was, apparently, not around D1.

I can see how you could read it as a missed action. Don't exactly see why it points to Lathum more than anyone else, though, since there is more than one bad guy, and so more than one would have to miss an action. That seems unlikely enough to not rule out conversion.

I guess it's possible that only a specific one could kill though.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Based on the way PB wrote up the description I'm voting Lathum since I read the description as a missed action and Lathum was, apparently, not around D1.

Vote Lathum

The only way I'd buy this is if Lathum was the head bad guy. Maybe he didn;t tell his others that he wouldn;t be around, no one siubmitted a backup plan. Otherwise, and just a generic bad guy, no way this would have happened.

So are you suggesting that it is more likely Lathum is the head bad guy over the wolves did something else, like convert?

[Chief Rum]

What did I say about cronin votes?

VOTE CHESAPEAKE

I said I would vote follow ups to my votes and I will. I only voted that way because I had so little to go on, but had to vote early, and you guys and go and vote out Danny Ocean?

I am going with Chesapeake because third votes, IMO, are even more suspcious than second votes. Although I am certain there are wolves in both lead candidate's voters.

I will be out most of the day tomorrow, too, although I will try to check in before deadline.

[claphamsa]

unfortunate

[PurdueBrad]

As you all sit around the coffee shop this morning discussing last night's awful turn, the value of Madonna's music, and tipping, something strange happens.

A napkin circulates the table, with writing on it: WE NEED TO GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE...NOW!

"What, to a different table," someone asks as others check the floor for cockroaches or maybe another kind of bug.

Everyone looks around at one another, trying to figure out who passed the note. But leaderless and paranoid, everyone starts to move at once, paying the bill, leaving a tip, and the ramblers ramble their way across the street...all because of a note on a napkin?

As you settle in at the Starbucks across the street, you watch in awe and amazement as a van full of Terry Benedict's goons roll up in front of that very same coffee shop that you just left and begins pouring hot lead in through the windows, destroying everything in sight. Was it just luck that you moved?

Eyes shift from person to person. Who figured out that we were in danger? How could they tell?

Your arrogant seer has been converted...to seer.

[claphamsa]

but we dont know who it was? if we were all sitting there........

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

but we dont know who it was? if we were all sitting there........

If this dynamic had come up, it was going to be in a much more logical way but the loss of Danny Oceans plus this triggering sent me scrambling for a different way to do it. Let me make a correction to the story above that allows you to keep belief that you don't know who it was (story is corrected Claph, hopefully that makes it a bit more believable then the way it was previously written).


The important thing for everyone though is that this person does know who they are.

[claphamsa]

fair enough! Thanks

[Lathum]

OK, I just want to say that I checked my role in the morning yesterday before I left for home. I did it literaly as I was walking out the door with my wife glaring at me. I thought I would have had plenty of time when I got home but because of horrible weather in the east it took alot longer.

Had I been a bad guy I certainly would have submitted a conditional order.

[jeheinz72]

Oy. We lost Oceans already. That stinks to high heaven on some of those pile-on votes.

[Telle]

So we lost Danny but gained a seer. And why didn't Cronin try to do something to get us to move our votes off of him if he had an important role like that??

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Telle

So we lost Danny but gained a seer. And why didn't Cronin try to do something to get us to move our votes off of him if he had an important role like that??

my thought it he figured he would be killed anyways if he revealed, we coldnt protect him EVERY night. but.... still makes no sense

[Passacaglia]

Damn that sucks. I should have told cronin to get out of my dreams, and get into my car. He would have been safer there then with you lot.

[Lathum]

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

he cast the vote that sealed Cronins fate.

I know it isn't much but it's something.

[RendeR]

Cronin really had no way to defend himself, on top of the fact that he wasn't able to be online near the deadline. Just tough luck that his reputation gets him lynched reglarly on days 1-3.

I'll defend my vote on Cronin by stating that I despise ties and wanted to ensure (with 2 votes remaining to be cast) that a tie was a longshot. Cronin was up 2 votes at the time and my vote made it 3 and would have taken a LOT of movement and wolfly saving of their teamates butt to save him.

[SnDvls]

I'm torn between two people right now. I'd say I'm leaning more towards claphamsa just due to the flipflopping more than anything, but on the other hand it was a day one vote with nothing to really go on....would a wolf really put themself out there this early and be a big deciding vote with nothing to gain and a lot to lose? And in this case it was Mr. Oceans who he was casting one of the final votes for. tough choice right now it seems

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

he cast the vote that sealed Cronins fate.

I know it isn't much but it's something.

Sad but true

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I'm torn between two people right now. I'd say I'm leaning more towards claphamsa just due to the flipflopping more than anything, but on the other hand it was a day one vote with nothing to really go on....would a wolf really put themself out there this early and be a big deciding vote with nothing to gain and a lot to lose? And in this case it was Mr. Oceans who he was casting one of the final votes for. tough choice right now it seems

Sadly I am a consumate flip floper!

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

Sadly I am a consumate flip floper!

I did see you try to preface one of you votes with that not sure how much I put into that and all, but I did see that

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I did see you try to preface one of you votes with that not sure how much I put into that and all, but I did see that

I figure that and my penchant for thinking things through as I post them will get me in trouble the first couple of games, hopefully not too much trouble, but so be it!

[Passacaglia]

I'm going to put a vote on Anxiety. If we're going to look at people who voted cronin, I think we should also determine if there was an attempt to save Anxiety.

VOTE ANXIETY

[Lathum]

Barkeep is also pinging my radar. His argument for voting me is so poorly constructed and not thought out. It is very unlike him.

[st.cronin]

Good luck, village!

[jeheinz72]

I'm still leaning Anxiety I think. If there was indeed piling on, one would have to presume it was to save Anxiety, rather than to necessarily kill Cronin himself. There's just no way/evidence they knew they were getting Ocean on that one.

I'd also then think if we're looking to get a wolf out of the subset of Anxiety + those who voted for Cronin, it's easiest to just vote Anxiety rather than try and muddle out who voted for Cronin based on little evidence (ala a Day One vote) and who voted as a protective measure.

For now...
Vote Anxiety

[chesapeake]

I agree with the general opinion that there are very likely a couple of wolves in the votes for St. Cronin. I certainly can't blame CR for thinking I am one of them.

I've got a plumber banging around upstairs, and when he's done, I'm headed into work. I'm going to keep my vote in my pocket for the time being. Hopefully, it will be nice and warm when I cast it.

[Barkeep49]

I like the fact that cronin didn't reveal before going down. While he had an important role, we're not screwed without him, we just have to play traditional WW now.

[Barkeep49]

Lathum -- I hear your point about a conditional order, I'll have to think about that. I do feel, however, that this could absolutely be a game where the head bad guy needs to submit for the team. Perhaps I'm way off base here and we faced a conversion or something else sisnster last night.

I will say that clap's unvote for Anxiety/vote for cronin is suspicious to me and if it weren't for my raised suspicion of Lathum I'd be looking at him today.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I like the fact that cronin didn't reveal before going down. While he had an important role, we're not screwed without him, we just have to play traditional WW now.

I agree that we arent screwed without him. but..... If he had revealed we probalby could have kept him alive for a day or 2 and who knows what would have happend then. there was nothing gained by him not revealing.


vote barkeep49

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Lathum -- I hear your point about a conditional order, I'll have to think about that. I do feel, however, that this could absolutely be a game where the head bad guy needs to submit for the team. Perhaps I'm way off base here and we faced a conversion or something else sisnster last night.

I will say that clap's unvote for Anxiety/vote for cronin is suspicious to me and if it weren't for my raised suspicion of Lathum I'd be looking at him today.

Sounds like someone lost out among the wolf voters, or is pissed the alpha wolf was sick

[Lathum]

You really can't fault St. Cronin for not revealing.

When he checked out it was a 4-4 tie. I agree he is taking a chance at getting lynched there but knowing how Cronin plays he would rather risk not revealing and living then revealing and being targeted anyway.

2 things that seem suspiscous.

1. Claphasma switches to Cronin AFTER Cronin checkes out. Always a suspicous move to me.

2. Path casts a meaningless late vote on me. I realize it is day 1 but there was a runoff between 2 candidates and Path's vote seems pretty throw awayish to me. Also IIRC he had been on throughout the day. I can only think he may have been waiting to use his vote to save someone, anxiety maybe, at the deadline.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

You really can't fault St. Cronin for not revealing.

When he checked out it was a 4-4 tie. I agree he is taking a chance at getting lynched there but knowing how Cronin plays he would rather risk not revealing and living then revealing and being targeted anyway.

2 things that seem suspiscous.

1. Claphasma switches to Cronin AFTER Cronin checkes out. Always a suspicous move to me.

2. Path casts a meaningless late vote on me. I realize it is day 1 but there was a runoff between 2 candidates and Path's vote seems pretty throw awayish to me. Also IIRC he had been on throughout the day. I can only think he may have been waiting to use his vote to save someone, anxiety maybe, at the deadline.

FWIW my vote was pretty much at the end, and it had no bearing on Cronin checking out. I figured he was trying to deflect on to me by making an issue about my flip floping. apparently I was wrong.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

I agree that we arent screwed without him. but..... If he had revealed we probalby could have kept him alive for a day or 2 and who knows what would have happend then. there was nothing gained by him not revealing.


vote barkeep49

??? why the vote on BK???

[SnDvls]

dola - this bumps you back up to me as another odd move

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

??? why the vote on BK???

Thats easy, he likes the fact that cronin didnt reveal! The only ones who gain from that are the wolves! if he had revealed we would have at least been able to keep him alive for a while. by him not revealing and dying that is one less thing the wolves have to worry about.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

dola - this bumps you back up to me as another odd move

that is reasonable. Its possible that the not reveal by cronin is something that yalls recognize from playign with im before, but to me it seems BK is awfully happy about having one less way to lose!