Soccer Thread 2009-10 - Page 4

Big Fo · 07-31-2009, 09:47 PM

I wish Time Warner cable offered GolTV.

Radii · 07-31-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Comcast doesn't carry FSC????

The directTV package I have does not provide it either.

Big Fo · 08-01-2009, 10:19 AM

Just a month or two after Brazilian legend Carlos Alberto accused Manchester United of "raping Brazilian football" the club is now participating in "minor slave trading" according to Ligue 2 club Le Harve, who are upset that Man Utd have lured France U-16 captain Paul Pogba to Old Trafford.

Rape, slave trading, I hope United's scouts keep it up, I want to hear what the next accusation is.

sovereignstar · 08-01-2009, 10:34 AM

I accuse them of asshattery in general.

Blade6119 · 08-01-2009, 05:59 PM

As a diehard Man U fan, these allegations both hurt and amuse me

Seriously though, from what I can tell the club had a verbal agreement with his parents that when he turned 18 he would sign for Le Harve...so Man U coming in and offering more money/opportunities to the parents isnt illegal in any way im aware of. While the club will certainly feel hard done(getting relegated didnt help im sure), im not sure Man U is really in the wrong in this case.

Lathum · 08-04-2009, 11:32 AM

Going to the FC Barcelona- Sounders game tomorrow night, really looking forward to it.

DaddyTorgo · 08-04-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Going to the FC Barcelona- Sounders game tomorrow night, really looking forward to it.

awesome

Big Fo · 08-04-2009, 01:58 PM

Real Madrid and Liverpool have agreed on a fee for Xabi Alonso. Great news if you root for an EPL team other than Liverpool.

guardian link

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-04-2009, 01:59 PM

Since when did Xabi become a world class player?

Big Fo · 08-04-2009, 02:19 PM

He was really good last season, he would be my pick as the hardest squad member for Liverpool to replace behind Gerrard and Torres. There's a reason he was rumored to leave for £12m last summer and the fee is around £30m this summer.

Even with Aquilani, Poulsen, Defour or whoever else they're looking at I don't think they'll be as good as Alonso.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-04-2009, 02:28 PM

I think the fee rising reflects his good season, but also reflects the transfer market inflation.

Xabi is good, but I think he's far from irreplaceable. Based on your "replaceable" metric, I would argue that Mascherano, Carragher, or Reina could be just as/more irreplaceable than Xabi. It's a loss, for sure, but I think its weatherable.

Icy · 08-04-2009, 05:19 PM

Real Madrid overpayed for Xavi, but the main reason besides him being a good player is that he is Spanish, and R.Madrid staff wanted to sign an Spanish top player to make the fans happy. Villa was the first attempt, but as it failed, Xavi became even more necessary, so it forced them to overpay.

whomario · 08-05-2009, 08:32 AM

Real has a truly rdiculous roster right now though. Basically 22 players that could start on a champions league contender ... And that´s not even counting guys like Huntelaar they want to get rid off .

Goal : Cassillas/Dudek

defense : Pepe, Metzelder, Albiol, Garay, Ramos, Arbeloa, Torres, Marcelo (only Torres not a national team member)

Midfield : Kaka, Alonso, Guti, Van der Vaart, Sneijder, Robben, L.Diarra, M. Diarra, Drenthe, Granero

attack : Benzema, Higuain, Negredo, Raul, Ronaldo, Huntelaar, Van Nistelroy

that´s 27. Even if you don´t count the relative youngsters and get rid of Huntelaar and Sneider/Van der vaart this is incredible ...

according to wikipedia they payed 10+ mio Euros for 18 of those players and 20+ for 12.

path12 · 08-05-2009, 10:51 AM

Excited to see Barca tonight. I know we'll get killed but who cares......

Lathum · 08-05-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

Excited to see Barca tonight. I know we'll get killed but who cares......

yeah, but I plan on getting a good buzz on.

DaddyTorgo · 08-05-2009, 12:14 PM

Big Fo · 08-05-2009, 05:53 PM

Well I thought Altidore had been loaned to Olympiakos some time ago, that must have just been a rumor that my brain registered as a finalized deal or something. According to his twitter page he will be joining Hull City on loan for the upcoming season. It will be easier to follow him there than in the Greek league, so that's cool. Apparently Hull have nobody else good up front so he could get a lot of playing time.

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Originally Posted by Altidore's twitter

First match is against chelsea subject to a work permit *wink* *wink* lol thanks for the support and love keep it coming.

bulletsponge · 08-05-2009, 06:39 PM

Cmmon Altidore! if he can have a good year he can get moved to a club that cares about him.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-05-2009, 06:49 PM

I think Hull probably cares for him a great deal. In a vaguely related story, I saw that Fulham has named a bar near the stadium that they own "McBride's" for his performance in keeping them up.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-05-2009, 07:04 PM

If anyone reading this wants to help out in the 20Q thread and finish it off, that would be great. I answered incorrectly already.

SirFozzie · 08-05-2009, 07:06 PM

Celtic will stay in Europe, scoring an injury time goal to win the second leg 2-0, on aggregate 2-1. It's their first away win in European play in 23 matches, and a loss here would have knocked them out of Europe entirely (starting with the next round, at least some of the losing teams go to the Europa League)

Big Fo · 08-05-2009, 11:43 PM

Messi looking good in preseason

BishopMVP · 08-06-2009, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo

Messi looking good in preseason

Paraphrased from watching 5 min last night with some people who don't watch soccer normally.

"Seattle looks terrible compared to Barcelona. Why is MLS so bad?"

"That's Barcelona my friend. Man U looked that bad against them."

ISiddiqui · 08-06-2009, 09:59 AM

LOL! Yeah, saying the MLS sucks so bad because Seattle is getting pwned by Barca is funny as Hell.

Big Fo · 08-06-2009, 10:52 AM

I think Seattle's entire team makes as much as Messi does in two or three months, roughly.

More Euro transfer news:

Papers say Aquilani to Liverpool is a done deal pending a medical, £17-20m.

Klaas Jan Huntelaar goes from Real to Milan for €15m. Milan will not sell Andrea Pirlo to Chelsea.

Hull City have an option to buy Altidore for £6m if they like what they see during his loan spell.

DaddyTorgo · 08-06-2009, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo

I think Seattle's entire team makes as much as Messi does in two or three months, roughly.

More Euro transfer news:

Papers say Aquilani to Liverpool is a done deal pending a medical, £17-20m.

Klaas Jan Huntelaar goes from Real to Milan for €15m. Milan will not sell Andrea Pirlo to Chelsea.

Hull City have an option to buy Altidore for £6m if they like what they see during his loan spell.

two or three months? don't you mean 2-3 weeks?

BishopMVP · 08-06-2009, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

two or three months? don't you mean 2-3 weeks?

Messi "only" makes 150,000 or so/week, I think in Euros. Barca is trying to up that because his buyout is again "only" 120m Euros and they want to increase it to 220m+ for if(when) Man City makes a run at him.

DaddyTorgo · 08-06-2009, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Messi "only" makes 150,000 or so/week, I think in Euros. Barca is trying to up that because his buyout is again "only" 120m Euros and they want to increase it to 220m+ for if(when) Man City makes a run at him.

fair enough. i was just guessing and being funny more than anything else.

what is seattle's payroll like? it can't be that big - i know it seems like 3/4 of the Revs guys are making peanuts

DaddyTorgo · 08-06-2009, 12:40 PM

as of july 08 toronto's payroll (benchmark for an expansion team) was 2.8mil

that's 1.9mil euros

12.6 weeks

so yeah...3 months

Cringer · 08-06-2009, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Celtic will stay in Europe, scoring an injury time goal to win the second leg 2-0, on aggregate 2-1. It's their first away win in European play in 23 matches, and a loss here would have knocked them out of Europe entirely (starting with the next round, at least some of the losing teams go to the Europa League)

Reading this I just kept having an image of super relegation. You lost? You are hereby banned from the Continent of Europe. Celtic, you may return to Europe if you can prove yourself with a good season in Africa. Off you go boys.

BishopMVP · 08-06-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

fair enough. i was just guessing and being funny more than anything else.

No worries, I just had the Messi numbers at hand because I saw the astounding news yesterday that they were trying to raise his 120m Euro buyout.

Sublime 2 · 08-06-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cringer

Reading this I just kept having an image of super relegation. You lost? You are hereby banned from the Continent of Europe. Celtic, you may return to Europe if you can prove yourself with a good season in Africa. Off you go boys.

LMAO!

SirFozzie · 08-06-2009, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cringer

Reading this I just kept having an image of super relegation. You lost? You are hereby banned from the Continent of Europe. Celtic, you may return to Europe if you can prove yourself with a good season in Africa. Off you go boys.

:P

Ryan S · 08-06-2009, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Celtic will stay in Europe, scoring an injury time goal to win the second leg 2-0, on aggregate 2-1. It's their first away win in European play in 23 matches, and a loss here would have knocked them out of Europe entirely (starting with the next round, at least some of the losing teams go to the Europa League)

A loss would have kept them in Europe, but they would have faced a difficult game to qualify for the Europa League group stages. Now they are guaranteed to play in either the Champions League or Europa League group stage.

Cringer · 08-06-2009, 04:24 PM

Remind the North American-centric fan here what the Europa League replaced.....if it did replace something. Was it the EUFA Cup?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-06-2009, 04:25 PM

UEFA, but yes.

Cringer · 08-06-2009, 04:26 PM

oops, I pselled it rwong huh?

DaddyTorgo · 08-06-2009, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cringer

oops, I pselled it rwong huh?

It's okay - you're from Texas. Nobody expects you to be able to spell.

SirFozzie · 08-06-2009, 05:26 PM

ESPN Adds Premier League To Soccer Line Up | EPL Talk

ESPN has acquired the TV rights to two of the weekly Premier League slots on US television for the 2009-2010 season. Beginning on August 15, 2009, each week ESPN will feature the 7:45am ET Saturday game and the 3pm ET Monday game.

BishopMVP · 08-06-2009, 05:54 PM

So literally starting next weekend they'll be broadcasting in HD on ESPN or ESPN2, not just sticking soccer on Deportes or Classic? Awesome.

SirFozzie · 08-06-2009, 06:15 PM

Unknown if it will be in HD, but yes, they'll be broadcasting on ESPN 2.

First game, the Saturday 7:45 game, will feature Jozy Altidore and Hull City vs Chelea

BishopMVP · 08-06-2009, 06:22 PM

(I assume you mean vs. Chelsea) I'd be a lot more excited for that game if the US wasn't playing in Mexico City ~60 hours beforehand and/or if Jozy had actually had more than 1 full practice with his team by then. Still fantastic news. Fingers crossed for the Sky announcers or at least Andy Gray.

Big Fo · 08-06-2009, 06:51 PM

I wouldn't mind Derek Rae as long as he didn't bring Tommy Smith with him.

RainMaker · 08-06-2009, 07:09 PM

For those who know a lot about the qualifying for the World Cup. What are the odds that U.S. doesn't qualify? I know they are in 2nd in the final stage but the second leg seems to have some tough road games.

Ryan S · 08-06-2009, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

(I assume you mean vs. Chelsea)

Chelsea are based in Fulham, so he was close enough.

The game is on Sky Sports in the UK, and they don't have any other games on the Saturday, so there is a chance that Andy Gray will be assigned to that match.

Ryan S · 08-06-2009, 07:17 PM

Just in case anyone has missed it, FOFC Premier League Fantasy Football is starting again shortly - For more info follow the link.

Fantasy Premier League 2009/10 - Front Office Football Central

This weekend I will move the thread to general discussion to try to get a few extra players.

Big Fo · 08-06-2009, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker

For those who know a lot about the qualifying for the World Cup. What are the odds that U.S. doesn't qualify? I know they are in 2nd in the final stage but the second leg seems to have some tough road games.

Even with the expected loss in Mexico next week the US will still have a great ( > 95% imo) chance of qualifying. They should win against El Salvador and Costa Rica at home and probably away to T&T as well. Even another road loss at Honduras won't keep the US out of the top three (top three get an automatic berth, fourth places gets into a playoff against the fifth best team in South America) if they win the games they should.

By my hasty calculations, two wins, two losses, and a draw in the last five will guarantee third place even in a worst-case scenario where CR, MEX, and HON win all their games against ES and TT while beating each other at home and never splitting the points.

Basically it will take a lot of choking and some bad luck for the US not to qualify from here.

Easy Mac · 08-06-2009, 10:03 PM

Why did one of my fox sports network tell me Houston v. Dallas was on when they were showing tha Bama-Utah Sugar Bowl?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-07-2009, 10:35 AM

Top 10 worst football kits for 2009-10 | The Sun |Sport|Top 10s

Worst kits for this upcoming season. My god, some of these are horrible. Newcastle!!!

Coffee Warlord · 08-07-2009, 10:42 AM

It's fitting, considering how utterly screwed up Newcastle has been.

08-01-2009, 05:59 PM	#155
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	As a diehard Man U fan, these allegations both hurt and amuse me Seriously though, from what I can tell the club had a verbal agreement with his parents that when he turned 18 he would sign for Le Harve...so Man U coming in and offering more money/opportunities to the parents isnt illegal in any way im aware of. While the club will certainly feel hard done(getting relegated didnt help im sure), im not sure Man U is really in the wrong in this case. __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

08-04-2009, 01:59 PM	#159
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Since when did Xabi become a world class player? __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-04-2009, 02:28 PM	#161
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	I think the fee rising reflects his good season, but also reflects the transfer market inflation. Xabi is good, but I think he's far from irreplaceable. Based on your "replaceable" metric, I would argue that Mascherano, Carragher, or Reina could be just as/more irreplaceable than Xabi. It's a loss, for sure, but I think its weatherable. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-04-2009, 05:19 PM	#162
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Real Madrid overpayed for Xavi, but the main reason besides him being a good player is that he is Spanish, and R.Madrid staff wanted to sign an Spanish top player to make the fans happy. Villa was the first attempt, but as it failed, Xavi became even more necessary, so it forced them to overpay. __________________

08-05-2009, 08:32 AM	#163
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Real has a truly rdiculous roster right now though. Basically 22 players that could start on a champions league contender ... And that´s not even counting guys like Huntelaar they want to get rid off . Goal : Cassillas/Dudek defense : Pepe, Metzelder, Albiol, Garay, Ramos, Arbeloa, Torres, Marcelo (only Torres not a national team member) Midfield : Kaka, Alonso, Guti, Van der Vaart, Sneijder, Robben, L.Diarra, M. Diarra, Drenthe, Granero attack : Benzema, Higuain, Negredo, Raul, Ronaldo, Huntelaar, Van Nistelroy that´s 27. Even if you don´t count the relative youngsters and get rid of Huntelaar and Sneider/Van der vaart this is incredible ... according to wikipedia they payed 10+ mio Euros for 18 of those players and 20+ for 12. Last edited by whomario : 08-05-2009 at 08:34 AM.

07-31-2009, 09:47 PM	#151
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	I wish Time Warner cable offered GolTV.

08-01-2009, 10:19 AM	#153
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Just a month or two after Brazilian legend Carlos Alberto accused Manchester United of "raping Brazilian football" the club is now participating in "minor slave trading" according to Ligue 2 club Le Harve, who are upset that Man Utd have lured France U-16 captain Paul Pogba to Old Trafford. Rape, slave trading, I hope United's scouts keep it up, I want to hear what the next accusation is.

08-01-2009, 10:34 AM	#154
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	I accuse them of asshattery in general.

08-04-2009, 11:32 AM	#156
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Going to the FC Barcelona- Sounders game tomorrow night, really looking forward to it.

08-04-2009, 01:58 PM	#158
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Real Madrid and Liverpool have agreed on a fee for Xabi Alonso. Great news if you root for an EPL team other than Liverpool. guardian link

08-04-2009, 02:19 PM	#160
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	He was really good last season, he would be my pick as the hardest squad member for Liverpool to replace behind Gerrard and Torres. There's a reason he was rumored to leave for £12m last summer and the fee is around £30m this summer. Even with Aquilani, Poulsen, Defour or whoever else they're looking at I don't think they'll be as good as Alonso.

08-05-2009, 10:51 AM	#164
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Excited to see Barca tonight. I know we'll get killed but who cares...... __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-05-2009, 12:14 PM	#166
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hehe __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

08-05-2009, 06:39 PM	#168
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	Cmmon Altidore! if he can have a good year he can get moved to a club that cares about him.

08-05-2009, 06:49 PM	#169
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	I think Hull probably cares for him a great deal. In a vaguely related story, I saw that Fulham has named a bar near the stadium that they own "McBride's" for his performance in keeping them up. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-05-2009, 07:04 PM	#170
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	If anyone reading this wants to help out in the 20Q thread and finish it off, that would be great. I answered incorrectly already. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-05-2009, 07:06 PM	#171
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Celtic will stay in Europe, scoring an injury time goal to win the second leg 2-0, on aggregate 2-1. It's their first away win in European play in 23 matches, and a loss here would have knocked them out of Europe entirely (starting with the next round, at least some of the losing teams go to the Europa League) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

08-05-2009, 11:43 PM	#172
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Messi looking good in preseason

08-06-2009, 09:59 AM	#174
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	LOL! Yeah, saying the MLS sucks so bad because Seattle is getting pwned by Barca is funny as Hell. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

08-06-2009, 10:52 AM	#175
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	I think Seattle's entire team makes as much as Messi does in two or three months, roughly. More Euro transfer news: Papers say Aquilani to Liverpool is a done deal pending a medical, £17-20m. Klaas Jan Huntelaar goes from Real to Milan for €15m. Milan will not sell Andrea Pirlo to Chelsea. Hull City have an option to buy Altidore for £6m if they like what they see during his loan spell.

08-06-2009, 12:40 PM	#179
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	as of july 08 toronto's payroll (benchmark for an expansion team) was 2.8mil that's 1.9mil euros 12.6 weeks so yeah...3 months __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

08-06-2009, 04:24 PM	#185
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Remind the North American-centric fan here what the Europa League replaced.....if it did replace something. Was it the EUFA Cup? __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

08-06-2009, 04:25 PM	#186
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	UEFA, but yes. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

08-06-2009, 04:26 PM	#187
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	oops, I pselled it rwong huh? __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

08-06-2009, 05:26 PM	#189
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	ESPN Adds Premier League To Soccer Line Up \| EPL Talk ESPN has acquired the TV rights to two of the weekly Premier League slots on US television for the 2009-2010 season. Beginning on August 15, 2009, each week ESPN will feature the 7:45am ET Saturday game and the 3pm ET Monday game. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

08-06-2009, 05:54 PM	#190
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	So literally starting next weekend they'll be broadcasting in HD on ESPN or ESPN2, not just sticking soccer on Deportes or Classic? Awesome.

08-06-2009, 06:15 PM	#191
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Unknown if it will be in HD, but yes, they'll be broadcasting on ESPN 2. First game, the Saturday 7:45 game, will feature Jozy Altidore and Hull City vs Chelea __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com Last edited by SirFozzie : 08-06-2009 at 07:38 PM.

08-06-2009, 06:22 PM	#192
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	(I assume you mean vs. Chelsea) I'd be a lot more excited for that game if the US wasn't playing in Mexico City ~60 hours beforehand and/or if Jozy had actually had more than 1 full practice with his team by then. Still fantastic news. Fingers crossed for the Sky announcers or at least Andy Gray. Last edited by BishopMVP : 08-06-2009 at 06:25 PM.

08-06-2009, 06:51 PM	#193
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	I wouldn't mind Derek Rae as long as he didn't bring Tommy Smith with him.

08-06-2009, 07:09 PM	#194
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	For those who know a lot about the qualifying for the World Cup. What are the odds that U.S. doesn't qualify? I know they are in 2nd in the final stage but the second leg seems to have some tough road games.

08-06-2009, 07:17 PM	#196
Ryan S Quarterback Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London, England	Just in case anyone has missed it, FOFC Premier League Fantasy Football is starting again shortly - For more info follow the link. Fantasy Premier League 2009/10 - Front Office Football Central This weekend I will move the thread to general discussion to try to get a few extra players.

08-06-2009, 10:03 PM	#198
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Why did one of my fox sports network tell me Houston v. Dallas was on when they were showing tha Bama-Utah Sugar Bowl?

08-07-2009, 10:35 AM	#199
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Top 10 worst football kits for 2009-10 \| The Sun \|Sport\|Top 10s Worst kits for this upcoming season. My god, some of these are horrible. Newcastle!!! __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs2 : 08-07-2009 at 10:39 AM.

08-07-2009, 10:42 AM	#200
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	It's fitting, considering how utterly screwed up Newcastle has been.

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