Werewolf LVI: Beneath the Iron Cross - GAME OVER, VILLAGERS WIN! - Page 4

st.cronin · 10-01-2007, 02:13 PM

VOTE BARKEEP49

st.cronin · 10-01-2007, 02:14 PM

Thank you hoops.

path12 · 10-01-2007, 02:14 PM

VOTE SALDANA

path12 · 10-01-2007, 02:15 PM

Just because I haven't noticed her check in yet.

Antmeister · 10-01-2007, 02:43 PM

Hmmm....this is always a difficult day to vote. No one has really said anything worthwhile and we have some no-shows, but that is normal from the few games that I have played. So this is going to be an interesting to watch.

RendeR · 10-01-2007, 03:06 PM

VOTE ST. CRONIN

RendeR · 10-01-2007, 03:07 PM

Seriously people, based on the last 2-3 games, how can we NOT vote him out of here on day 1?

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 03:08 PM

Votes as of Post #157:

Purdue - Pass (149)
Barkeep - Cronin (151)
Saldana - Path (153)
Cronin - Render (157)

RendeR · 10-01-2007, 03:11 PM

I'm here and reading and pondering, but I'm not going to be as vocal as I've been in recent weeks. I've decided that to open one's mouth is to invite suspicion and lynching. I'll still toss out my two pennies every now and then but I'm tired of trying to get stuff moving only to be accused and killed for it.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 03:17 PM

RendeR, for what it is worth I find the game gets much more boring when trying to scale back your activity level from your usual style. Maybe you will have better luck with it than I did, but I found that I ended up getting killed early more often when I was less active. Go figure.

By the way, when are you going to update your wolves lynches/villagers disemboweled stats in the sig?

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

RendeR, for what it is worth I find the game gets much more boring when trying to scale back your activity level from your usual style. Maybe you will have better luck with it than I did, but I found that I ended up getting killed early more often when I was less active. Go figure.

By the way, when are you going to update your wolves lynches/villagers disemboweled stats in the sig?

If he updates it daily, that'll be a big tip-off.

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 03:39 PM

I'm ready to stir the pot some. This should get things going.

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 03:39 PM

vote render

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 03:45 PM

such drama

jeheinz72 · 10-01-2007, 04:06 PM

So we've got 5 votes in for 5 different people?

I'm new to WW, but I'm fairly certain that isn't a good thing, not that I have anything new to really add.

saldana · 10-01-2007, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Just because I haven't noticed her check in yet.

you're a dick

there i checked in...happy now

RendeR · 10-01-2007, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealDeal

vote render

You sir, a just plain annoying =)

RendeR · 10-01-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If he updates it daily, that'll be a big tip-off.

Wouldn't it though? I need to remove that altogether, I've lost count....

path12 · 10-01-2007, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm here and reading and pondering, but I'm not going to be as vocal as I've been in recent weeks. I've decided that to open one's mouth is to invite suspicion and lynching. I'll still toss out my two pennies every now and then but I'm tired of trying to get stuff moving only to be accused and killed for it.

I find this very suspicious. What are you trying to hide?

RendeR · 10-01-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Just because I haven't noticed her check in yet.

Wait...>saldana's a CHICK????

Neon_Chaos · 10-01-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Wait...>saldana's a CHICK????

Yeah. How come you never knew?

Neon_Chaos · 10-01-2007, 04:28 PM

God. I love that running joke.

jeheinz72 · 10-01-2007, 04:29 PM

Vote Render

jeheinz72 · 10-01-2007, 04:30 PM

I'm not digging the "I'm going to be intentionally quieter" bit.

It's either counterproductive if you're innocent or an easy mask to hide behind if you're a Wolf.

oliegirl · 10-01-2007, 04:36 PM

Someone needs to do something suspicious and wolfish...it's been very quiet today.

ntndeacon · 10-01-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Someone needs to do something suspicious and wolfish...it's been very quiet today.

Oh I am sure it wont be too long til a villager does something to appear wolvish it might be a bit longer til a wolf does a wolvish act.

ntndeacon · 10-01-2007, 04:44 PM

Vote RealDeal

ntndeacon · 10-01-2007, 04:45 PM

Vote RealDeal

ntndeacon · 10-01-2007, 04:45 PM

darn it!

ntndeacon · 10-01-2007, 04:45 PM

Vote RealDeal

ntndeacon · 10-01-2007, 04:46 PM

there we go. I will make the note though that the 1st to double up on anyone was jeheinz

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 04:49 PM

I would love to know why people are selecting some of their candidates.

Pass - I see why he selected Purdue, as he cited a post
Cronin - why Barkeep?
Path - Saldana had not checked in at time of vote
RendeR - he likes to vote Cronin? Past game history?
RealDeal - why RendeR?
Heinz - listed reason for vote

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 04:53 PM

There are never any good reasons to vote for anyone on the first day. I voted for render because at the time he was one of the few people with any votes at the time I voted, and I wanted to get two on someone to see if it caused any ripples.

As always with first day votes, it's a placeholder as much as anything, and I am likely to switch at some point before the end of the day turn.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 04:55 PM

RealDeal, RendeR did not have a vote at the time you cast it - Heinz followed right behind you in voting for RendeR, but you put the first vote on him.

I agree that the logic on a Day 1 vote is generally pretty flimsy, but there normally is something that prompts a decision for one person out of 16 (obviously every person excludes themselves from consideration).

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 04:57 PM

NTN, I'll add you to the above question - why RealDeal?

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 05:02 PM

I see what I did, Hoops. I used your list on post 158 and read it backwards. I thought Cronin had voted for Render, but instead Render had voted for Cronin, so according to my logic, I should have voted for Cronin.

Doesn't matter anyway at this point.

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 05:04 PM

I don't think I've ever done this but I'm going to put a vote on someone for putting a vote on me. I don't have any better reasoning yet for Pass or anyone else though.

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 05:04 PM

Vote Passacaglia

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 05:06 PM

The retalitory vote is a perfectly good reason on Day 1

st.cronin · 10-01-2007, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I would love to know why people are selecting some of their candidates.

Pass - I see why he selected Purdue, as he cited a post
Cronin - why Barkeep?
Path - Saldana had not checked in at time of vote
RendeR - he likes to vote Cronin? Past game history?
RealDeal - why RendeR?
Heinz - listed reason for vote

Why not Barkeep? Its more or less a random pick, of a guy that I think makes a dangerous wolf. Typically on day 1 I hate to vote for a new player, and I don't like to try to lynch the same person day 1 game after game. Day 1 I look at the player list, and think about who scares me most as a wolf, and put a vote on them, and usually don't change it no matter what.

Lathum · 10-01-2007, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't like to try to lynch the same person day 1 game after game.

LIAR

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I know I'm a newbie saying this, but I do agree that there is at least one veteran wolf out there. Hoops' list may not be a bad way to pick for the random day one vote although I'm not yet seeing anyone jump out ahead of the others there. Otherwise, I'm pretty much following this conversation to see where it leads.

This was the post that Pass quoted when he voted for Purdue. When I read it, I was a little concerned. Not so much by the idea that Purdue might be voting for me as one of the vets on the list, but because this had the sound of "I'll bandwagon whatever player moves to the front of the list".

When I posted my list, the theory was that there would be a low number of players on this list that would be picked as wolves. This was inverted into "there is probably a veteran wolf out there, so let's try to take him out". This position makes sense if he is concerned about being voted out on Day 1. In fairness everyone, both villager and wolf, should be concerned about this. But the wolves have more to lose in being taken out due to their smaller numbers.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 05:25 PM

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

oliegirl · 10-01-2007, 05:29 PM

Not sure if I'm going to be able to get on again before deadline so I'm going to be voting before I leave at 6:30...Barkeep was a villager in the past game I played with him and he played well, I know he's also an excellent wolf, so right now I'm leaning toward putting my vote on BK. If anyone wants to persuade me otherwise, you have an hour before I leave work...

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 05:31 PM

Purdue, if you want to go with a retaliatory vote now then you get to pick between two people.

I agree it is as good a reason as any on Day 1, but not terribly productive if we don't get to multiple votes on people at some point. Too shallow a voting pool makes it super-easy for the wolves to manipulate the vote to save their own.

This was another reason I voted for you - you cast the 8th vote of the day on the 7th person out there. The only time I've seen you as a wolf you had asked if you could self-vote at one point because you didn't want to vote for anyone. I'm guessing, based on flawless Day 1 logic, that you are getting a little bolder with casting your votes but still being a little tentative ("I'm only voting you because you voted me and I don't have any gut feelings on anyone else").

jeheinz72 · 10-01-2007, 05:38 PM

FYI, I'm around for 20 min for anyone who wants to try and convince me to switch. I could see moving to Brad, but frankly it all just seems like a big 'ol crapshoot at this point.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

This was the post that Pass quoted when he voted for Purdue. When I read it, I was a little concerned. Not so much by the idea that Purdue might be voting for me as one of the vets on the list, but because this had the sound of "I'll bandwagon whatever player moves to the front of the list".

When I posted my list, the theory was that there would be a low number of players on this list that would be picked as wolves. This was inverted into "there is probably a veteran wolf out there, so let's try to take him out". This position makes sense if he is concerned about being voted out on Day 1. In fairness everyone, both villager and wolf, should be concerned about this. But the wolves have more to lose in being taken out due to their smaller numbers.

Hoops, I didn't read his post as saying that we should vote for someone ON the list. I think he meant we should vote for someone NOT ON your list. Notice how he prefaces it with "I know I'm a newbie saying this, but.." It's like he's trying to say he's aware that move puts him in a little more trouble (because he's one of the few folks not on the list). I think he's thinking that the odds are still in his favor, especially if he earns some trust by agreeing with the conventional wisdom of the time. That was my perspective on it, at least.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 05:52 PM

Quote:

I do agree that there is at least one veteran wolf out there. Hoops' list may not be a bad way to pick for the random day one vote

I read it as saying "let's see if we can take a shot at the at least one veteran wolf" rather than "let's see if we should vote for one of the non-vets".

If you want to vote for a person, "vet" or otherwise, by all means present a case. We're all reasonably smart people and will respond to posts. Most of us are on the same side in these games, even if we don't know it. I just thought, upon reading that post, that Purdue was setting up a vote later in the day. In fact, he did end up voting for one of the people on my list as he said he would, although the logic was now the "retaliation vote". To me, that read more like "blend in with the crowd vote".

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 06:03 PM

My vote was going to be between one of two people (neither of which currently have a vote either) so I went retaliatory. So we'll see. I'm more than willing to switch for the good of village, believe me.

path12 · 10-01-2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

This was the post that Pass quoted when he voted for Purdue. When I read it, I was a little concerned. Not so much by the idea that Purdue might be voting for me as one of the vets on the list, but because this had the sound of "I'll bandwagon whatever player moves to the front of the list".

I've got no problem with a vote on Brad (or anyone but me for that matter), but just want to point out that the idea of people waiting around day 1 to jump on a bandwagon isn't all that uncommon an occurence....

10-01-2007, 02:13 PM	#151
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	VOTE BARKEEP49 __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-01-2007, 02:14 PM	#152
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Thank you hoops. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-01-2007, 02:14 PM	#153
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	VOTE SALDANA __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-01-2007, 02:15 PM	#154
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Just because I haven't noticed her check in yet. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-01-2007, 02:43 PM	#155
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	Hmmm....this is always a difficult day to vote. No one has really said anything worthwhile and we have some no-shows, but that is normal from the few games that I have played. So this is going to be an interesting to watch. __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew

10-01-2007, 03:06 PM	#156
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	VOTE ST. CRONIN __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-01-2007, 03:07 PM	#157
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Seriously people, based on the last 2-3 games, how can we NOT vote him out of here on day 1? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-01-2007, 03:08 PM	#158
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Votes as of Post #157: Purdue - Pass (149) Barkeep - Cronin (151) Saldana - Path (153) Cronin - Render (157)

10-01-2007, 03:11 PM	#159
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I'm here and reading and pondering, but I'm not going to be as vocal as I've been in recent weeks. I've decided that to open one's mouth is to invite suspicion and lynching. I'll still toss out my two pennies every now and then but I'm tired of trying to get stuff moving only to be accused and killed for it. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-01-2007, 03:17 PM	#160
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	RendeR, for what it is worth I find the game gets much more boring when trying to scale back your activity level from your usual style. Maybe you will have better luck with it than I did, but I found that I ended up getting killed early more often when I was less active. Go figure. By the way, when are you going to update your wolves lynches/villagers disemboweled stats in the sig?

10-01-2007, 03:39 PM	#162
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I'm ready to stir the pot some. This should get things going.

10-01-2007, 03:39 PM	#163
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	vote render

10-01-2007, 03:45 PM	#164
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	such drama

10-01-2007, 04:06 PM	#165
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	So we've got 5 votes in for 5 different people? I'm new to WW, but I'm fairly certain that isn't a good thing, not that I have anything new to really add.

10-01-2007, 04:28 PM	#172
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	God. I love that running joke. __________________ Come and see.

10-01-2007, 04:29 PM	#173
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Vote Render

10-01-2007, 04:30 PM	#174
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	I'm not digging the "I'm going to be intentionally quieter" bit. It's either counterproductive if you're innocent or an easy mask to hide behind if you're a Wolf.

10-01-2007, 04:44 PM	#177
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Vote RealDeal

10-01-2007, 04:45 PM	#178
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Vote RealDeal

10-01-2007, 04:45 PM	#179
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	darn it!

10-01-2007, 04:45 PM	#180
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Vote RealDeal

10-01-2007, 04:46 PM	#181
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	there we go. I will make the note though that the 1st to double up on anyone was jeheinz

10-01-2007, 04:49 PM	#182
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I would love to know why people are selecting some of their candidates. Pass - I see why he selected Purdue, as he cited a post Cronin - why Barkeep? Path - Saldana had not checked in at time of vote RendeR - he likes to vote Cronin? Past game history? RealDeal - why RendeR? Heinz - listed reason for vote

10-01-2007, 04:53 PM	#183
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	There are never any good reasons to vote for anyone on the first day. I voted for render because at the time he was one of the few people with any votes at the time I voted, and I wanted to get two on someone to see if it caused any ripples. As always with first day votes, it's a placeholder as much as anything, and I am likely to switch at some point before the end of the day turn.

10-01-2007, 04:55 PM	#184
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	RealDeal, RendeR did not have a vote at the time you cast it - Heinz followed right behind you in voting for RendeR, but you put the first vote on him. I agree that the logic on a Day 1 vote is generally pretty flimsy, but there normally is something that prompts a decision for one person out of 16 (obviously every person excludes themselves from consideration).

10-01-2007, 04:57 PM	#185
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	NTN, I'll add you to the above question - why RealDeal?

10-01-2007, 05:02 PM	#186
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I see what I did, Hoops. I used your list on post 158 and read it backwards. I thought Cronin had voted for Render, but instead Render had voted for Cronin, so according to my logic, I should have voted for Cronin. Doesn't matter anyway at this point.

10-01-2007, 05:04 PM	#187
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I don't think I've ever done this but I'm going to put a vote on someone for putting a vote on me. I don't have any better reasoning yet for Pass or anyone else though.

10-01-2007, 05:04 PM	#188
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Vote Passacaglia

10-01-2007, 05:06 PM	#189
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	The retalitory vote is a perfectly good reason on Day 1

10-01-2007, 05:25 PM	#193
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	VOTE PURDUEBRAD

10-01-2007, 05:31 PM	#195
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Purdue, if you want to go with a retaliatory vote now then you get to pick between two people. I agree it is as good a reason as any on Day 1, but not terribly productive if we don't get to multiple votes on people at some point. Too shallow a voting pool makes it super-easy for the wolves to manipulate the vote to save their own. This was another reason I voted for you - you cast the 8th vote of the day on the 7th person out there. The only time I've seen you as a wolf you had asked if you could self-vote at one point because you didn't want to vote for anyone. I'm guessing, based on flawless Day 1 logic, that you are getting a little bolder with casting your votes but still being a little tentative ("I'm only voting you because you voted me and I don't have any gut feelings on anyone else").

10-01-2007, 05:38 PM	#196
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	FYI, I'm around for 20 min for anyone who wants to try and convince me to switch. I could see moving to Brad, but frankly it all just seems like a big 'ol crapshoot at this point.

10-01-2007, 06:03 PM	#199
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	My vote was going to be between one of two people (neither of which currently have a vote either) so I went retaliatory. So we'll see. I'm more than willing to switch for the good of village, believe me.

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