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I might possibly be interested in studying/taking seriously bin Laden's "ideas" or "complaints about the west" or comparing his ideology to other fruitcakes AFTER his dead body has completely decomposed and the last of his soldiers/supporters has gone from the Earth. I am not a Republican or a right-winger; I am a political centrist who spent 6 years working enlisted working with the Jsoc, deploying to actual hot spots on a regular basis, who lost many close friends (including a brother and a business partner) on 9/11. I think it is beyond horrific that people want to use bin Laden to score cheap political points. It literally makes me nauseated. |
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Taken in isolation, maybe. That's the problem I have with you, Cam, you never take context into account. In context, Anxiety had been making statements about "glad we went in, could have gone in sooner" and "go down the list of dictators, taking them out" (I'm paraphrasing). Given the strength of his convictions, it's reasonable to ask if he's already put actions to words, or if he would in the future. A single snarky sentence can, contrary to your belief, carry multiple meanings. But perhaps in your world we all need to be extra extra careful about the exact words we choose, eh? Quote:
You've been in talk radio too long. It is you who has an inability to carry on a meaningful conversation. It's abundantly clear that if things aren't broken down into simple black-and-white platitudes, there's not a lot of intellectual cut-and-thrust in which you can participate. |
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Furthermore, there are no cheap political points being scored. You admitted yourself that they share the same ideology. The quiz and 'intellectually bankrupt liberal' are pointing out what you in fact know to be true. That's not cheap political points, nobody here is doing it to win an election, it's identifying a pernicious element in our culture. |
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Dutch brings out Conservative Gameplan #2: When you can't attack the message, attack the person bringing the message.
BTW Skydog, I'm pretty sure Biggles had a grammar boo-boo there and meant disapproval of interracial marriage and approval of slavery both went down, much like approval of the Iraq War is. |
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Fine. Conservative Gameplan #2 now in effect. Jessie, you're an idiot. |
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Skydog, if anyone is trolling here it is you and Dutch. Like Jesse said I obviously had a grammar mistake in saying that support for interracial dating is going down. Dutch was obviously just going for ad hominem attacks. You were going for ad hominem attacks as well. I've explained my points repeatedly. In this thread alone I've been called a traitor, on the side of Saddam, intellectually bankrupt, accused of just not giving a shit, and someone deserving to be mocked for a grammar mistake. I have patiently explained my positions and attacked the arguments of others that I disagree with. From what I remember, Jesse has done the same.
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You're wrong, I don't think you're a traitor at all. |
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In the wise words of someone I forget, I've been called worse by better. Also, as Biggles noted, I haven't trolled. Yes, when Dutch decided to quit debating the points and simply started to attack the person, I called him on it. I have no doubts I'm one of the two or three most liberal people on this board, so I've got no problems when I get dogpiled. I expect it. But at least have the creativity to attack the idea, and not the person. |
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...and then there's that silliness of just because people think it is a bad idea, that it is a bad idea. There's probably more, but those jumped out at me.
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But Bin Laden is a murderous sociopath.
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I don't see how any of that describes bin Laden. I've seen him emotional, I've seen him sympathetic to the struggles of Muslims, and I see no evidence to say that he is without fear. |
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Wikipedia is, BIG SURPRISE, incorrect. On a side note, I find the comparison of Bin Laden to Christian conservatives disgusting. Robertson and Falwell never spearheaded the death of thousands of innocent Americans. Last edited by WVUFAN : 01-29-2006 at 12:09 AM. |
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Those emotional strip-club pole dances were actually SNL skits. |
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Well, it specially mentions both the words "Sociopath" and refers it to the correct term of Antisocial Personality Disorder. But thanks for splitting hairs. Quote:
Wow. One of the most inane and ridicuous analogies I've seen in awhile. Thanks for the laugh. |
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I bet Mr. B gets a lot of dates explaining why bin Laden isn't as bad as we all make him out to be.
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Wow. Funny thing -- I thought the same thing when I read your analogy. |
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And the counter point is that it is, in fact, NOT possible to do so without looking like a lunatic/jackass/idiot. You don't understand that - because you don't understand what it means that bin Laden would cheerfully kill you to make a point, and then brag about it to your friends, who would say, "well, he's got a point...". |
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Nothing that people here would remotely consider insulting. In addition to being clueless, you and your ilk are remarkably classless as well. This little thread was created to do nothing less than to tear down Christianity and those the believe in it. Bully for you. Last edited by WVUFAN : 01-29-2006 at 01:30 AM. |
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Yeah, because "What a doucebag comment" is taught as a valid comeback in a debate. Might want to take your own suggestion. |
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Well, I knew you wouldn't understand it - in fact, I *said* you wouldn't understand it. So I don't think I was calling names. I think it's clear I had come to the right conclusion. On that note, I'm out. |
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Hell, Falwell has compared homosexuality to smoking crack and bestiality: http://mediamatters.org/items/200411080004 So comparing him to OBL is something beyond the pale? Please. Quote:
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I thought he was right on the money. That's just me, of course. Getting back to the topic: you want to claim to speak logically, yet you someone spout your pseudo-intellectual nonsense and defend a comparison of Christian Conservatives to Osama Bil Laden, using a horrible "mustache" comparison of Chaplin and Hitler. This...you honestly think any part of your argument contains a semblance of either logic or truth? Seriously? I mean, I know your a liberal, but c'mon now. I'm not trying to be insulting, nor is this an attempt at sarcasm. I cannot, in any part of me, understand how someone can make that sort of comparison. I ... I seriously struggle to grasp how much someone has to hate a group of people such as conservative christians and/or Robertson and Falwell to even stoop to a comparison like then, then get indignant when someone calls them on it. Sigh. |
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I guess since you're basically attacking my original quote that was later paraphrased I will respond. First here is what I said. Quote:
Let me expand: You cannot tell the quotes in the quiz apart. These guys use similar rhetoric. There are certainly differences, though. For example: Osama Bin Laden has a beard. |
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Well, the link was to Mediamatters.org, a liberal website, and it further links to his DENYING EVER SAYING IT. But, obviously since you want to condemn him and people who believe like him, he's the target. Exactly what Constitutionally Guaranteed right is Falwell and Robertson trying to take away from you again? Quote:
No, but you are comparing two well-known Christians to a murdering terrorist. Also, describe to me what you call a "rational" Christian? |
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He denies and then they point to times where he ACTUALLY SAID IT! Push the dogma side and learn to read. It had references to shows he went on (including Wolf Blitzer Reports, Hardline, Frontline, etc) and compared them. Quote:
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Btw, I wonder where the right wing is when people compare Clinton to Hitler: http://kosovo99.tripod.com/comparis.htm Oh wait... not their side!
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Now, consider Charlie Chaplin with two properties, a moustache and an actor. Hitler also has two properties, a moustache and a murderer. The fact that both has moustaches does not change because Hitler was a murderer and Chaplin was an actor. It is not insane/ignorant/outlandish/intellectually bankrupt to point out that they both had moustaches. Now, consider Falwell/Robertson with two properties, religious fascism and conservative Christian. OBL has two properties, religious fascism and organizer of terrorist attacks. The fact that both are religious fascists does not change because one is a terrorist and the other is a leader of a conservative Christian sect. It is not insane/ignorant/outlandish/intellectually bankrupt to point out that they both are religious fascists. |
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It doesn't matter what I consider Falwell and Robertson - they could be circus clowns, or orthodontists, it doesn't matter. Comparing non-murderous lunatics with bin Laden for political purposes is, at the very least, deeply offensive to me personally. I think it makes you look incredibly cynical and foolish as well. |
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