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Old 12-03-2007, 04:12 PM   #151
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If any Michigan guys have news on Schiano, please inform. An article came out this morning saying they hadn't talked, but a Rutgers guy claims that they've spoken today.

Governor Corzine is going to be completely to blame for Schiano leaving this program.

You can keep Schiano. Michigan has enough problems with coaches fucking up on gameday.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:13 PM   #152
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The newest buzz out of Ann Arbor is that Michigan went back today and revised how much they'll spend on a coach, so look for another offer to Ferentz.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:17 PM   #153
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You can keep Schiano. Michigan has enough problems with coaches fucking up on gameday.

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The newest buzz out of Ann Arbor is that Michigan went back today and revised how much they'll spend on a coach, so look for another offer to Ferentz.

I find these two quotes coming within a minute of each other to be very funny.

And BTW, Schiano doesn't fuck up on gameday. His problems are during the week, as he apparently can't convince his players to stay in their fucking lanes instead of running wildly all over the field.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:22 PM   #154
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What's this in reference to?

The final vote on stadium expansion was to take place this week, but he "postponed" it because the state won't provide the $30 million loan to fund part of the project. All this while the state spends billions on complete bullshit, not to mention the hundreds of millions that all the corrupt politicians are stealing in one way or another.

Simply put, he'll stay as long as the school (and the state) are willing to do what is necessary to grow the program, and stadium expansion and a new practice facility are priorities 1 and 2. Without a commitment, he won't hang around. As long as the state ponies up, there isn't a job in the world I'm worried about him taking. But I'm starting to seriously question if a big-time program can work in Jersey with how fucked up the state is.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:41 PM   #155
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The newest buzz out of Ann Arbor is that Michigan went back today and revised how much they'll spend on a coach, so look for another offer to Ferentz.

No offense, but you seem to be posting every random rumor there is. There is just SO much crap out there nobody knows what is true. Here is what probably is true. Schiano is liked by several, but will get an offer only if they are convinced he will likely accept and that he wont bolt for PSU when it opens up. The offer will probably be a nice chunk of change. As of yesterday they havent even tried to contact him. Even the rumors of English getting a second interview at UM are untrue as of now. The rumors of Bill Martin being completely unprepared, however, seem to be true.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:42 PM   #156
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Newest GT rumor is that Neuheisel will be announced on Thursday. Muschamp was apparently the AD's choice, but the Board rejected him.
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Old 12-03-2007, 05:01 PM   #157
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Former Georgia DC Brian Van Gorder is coming hard after the Michigan job. They probably won't hire someone who only spent one year as a HC at the 1-aa level, but he put the best scoring defense in the country on the field during his time at UGA. They could do worse.
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Old 12-03-2007, 05:05 PM   #158
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So, Brian Kelly = chopped liver?
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Old 12-03-2007, 05:14 PM   #159
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Why isn't Chris Peterson getting any love?
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Old 12-03-2007, 05:25 PM   #160
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So, Brian Kelly = chopped liver?
Yeah, I'm surprised he isn't getting more attention.
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Old 12-03-2007, 05:26 PM   #161
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So, Brian Kelly = chopped liver?

Apparently some people in the Michigan Athletic Department don't like him. Here's a quote from a column in the Detroit Free Press:

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Old 12-03-2007, 05:29 PM   #162
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Why isn't Chris Peterson getting any love?
He's reportedly UCLA's top choice FWIW. My question on him is he inherited an already strong program from Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins. Yes, he deserves some credit for helping build that program as Hawkins' OC and for guiding the team to an undefeated season last year, but his track record as a head man is short.

Don't get me wrong - if the UW fires Ty I'd love to see them interview Peterson, but I'm not sure where he should rank among the coaching prospects out there.
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Old 12-03-2007, 06:19 PM   #163
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Old 12-03-2007, 06:27 PM   #164
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Brian Kelly made some off color remarks at Central Michigan during the murder investigation that involved several of his players. There is also allegedly more to the story that never was released but it has apparently been enough to keep him off the radar. A shame too, as I think he would be a guy who could do a lot with this program.
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Old 12-03-2007, 06:30 PM   #165
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No offense, but you seem to be posting every random rumor there is. There is just SO much crap out there nobody knows what is true. Here is what probably is true. Schiano is liked by several, but will get an offer only if they are convinced he will likely accept and that he wont bolt for PSU when it opens up. The offer will probably be a nice chunk of change. As of yesterday they havent even tried to contact him. Even the rumors of English getting a second interview at UM are untrue as of now. The rumors of Bill Martin being completely unprepared, however, seem to be true.

Mostly I am posting stuff in regards to what trickles down because it is if nothing else a good source to gauge others opinions on guys people may not know about.

The money thing seems to be true as Jim Brandstatter and Doug Karsch were discussing it today and both have sources inside the offices that they realize they need to open up the checkbooks.

In regards to Schiano and Ferentz, truly, I am not thrilled with either, but Ferentz is generally respected by many as a top 10 coach and though I don't agree with it, he, with everything reported on guys on Michigans potential list through a collection of sources would be the best bet, maybe behind Grobe, who I like.

Schiano teams never seem to play to their potential on the field and it'd be more of the same that we saw from this past coaching staff.
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Old 12-03-2007, 08:11 PM   #166
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Yep - IIRC he's LDS, which probably plays a big part in him wanting to stick at BYU.

Believe it or not, he makes more than Lavell ever did at BYU but of course, Lavell is golden. I think Bronco would leave it was a proper school for him to be at. With that said, I do not see him leaving any time soon.

He is extremely religious and has made that statement several times over and uses it as a recruiting advantage going after the LDS athletes. His complete goal was to take BYU back to it's roots where as Crowton was trying to seperate himself as far as possible from the legacy.

One thing you may see is some of BYU's coaches (Anae, Doman, Tidwell, Reynolds, Kafusi and others) leaving to HC, OC, or DC positions elsewhere. We lost Grimes to Colorado, which I truly feel affected our OL this season...they were meaner last year.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:28 PM   #167
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Schiano teams never seem to play to their potential on the field and it'd be more of the same that we saw from this past coaching staff.

What the hell are you talking about? He's had a talented roster for two years -- one of which was 11-2 and overachieved, and the other was 7-5 (pending a bowl) and underachieved especially based on the results from the prior year. You speak as if he's had a 20 year head coaching history.

All that being said, he still has plenty to learn as a coach, but don't just make shit up.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:35 PM   #168
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Things are definitely going crazy over here right now. Lots of people think Bowden was just hired, but there is also a rumor that Malzahn just resigned at Tulsa.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:39 PM   #169
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What the hell are you talking about? He's had a talented roster for two years -- one of which was 11-2 and overachieved, and the other was 7-5 (pending a bowl) and underachieved especially based on the results from the prior year. You speak as if he's had a 20 year head coaching history.

All that being said, he still has plenty to learn as a coach, but don't just make shit up.

I would echo detox's beliefs about Schiano, and i have no interest either way in Michigan or Rutgers.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:46 PM   #170
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I would echo detox's beliefs about Schiano, and i have no interest either way in Michigan or Rutgers.

So that's it? You're not gonna explain why his teams, throughout his long seven year coaching career, four years of which he had one of the worst rosters in 1-A football, don't play to their potential?
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:47 PM   #171
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Now several boards are blowing up with reports that Tommy Bowden has been hired. WTF! This is a nightmare (especially if this particular rumor is true).


#1 We are hearing Terry Bowden here?
#2 Tommy has reportedly just inked a 3 year extension with Clemson.
#3 And no offense, but I cant see what the draw would be to leave Clemson for Arkansas unless he is tired of being on the hotseat for not winning a conference championship.

#4 Dont worry about TB you should be scared that Terry Don Phillips is most likely going tto be the next AD....all I can say there is HAHAHAHAHA...though he does deserve some credit for the Purnell hire.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:52 PM   #172
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So that's it? You're not gonna explain why his teams, throughout his long seven year coaching career, four years of which he had one of the worst rosters in 1-A football, don't play to their potential?

And arguably this team was better then last years with far more momentum coming into the year, and even though they lost their best all around player, the brought back a lot of starters and one of the nations premier backs and they blew several games they should've won, and melted down vs an awful Louisville team.

In his first year where he had something to prove, he proved nothing at all.

Is it only one year like this, sure. But a disappointing one at that.

Furthermore, in one season he has allowed Uconn and USF to catch up to Rutgers when they had a chance to become a top end team. Now they may lose Rice and next year will be even rougher.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:54 PM   #173
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You have to admit, Logan, that Louisville game was BAD for Rutgers. And really spoke to some piss poor coaching.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:57 PM   #174
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You have to admit, Logan, that Louisville game was BAD for Rutgers. And really spoke to some piss poor coaching.

Exactly.

And my point is this was a crucial season for Rutgers becaue it had a chance to make itself 1a to West Virginia, or at least second. Now it's stuck in a huge pile of teams that include Louisville, USF, UConn, Cinncy and even Pitt with that kid they have running the ball.

7-5 this year could easily be 5-7 next year if Rice decides to test the waters.
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:02 PM   #175
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So that's it? You're not gonna explain why his teams, throughout his long seven year coaching career, four years of which he had one of the worst rosters in 1-A football, don't play to their potential?

Its quality of work as well as roster comparisons. While one could argue they have one the worst rosters during that period, another could argue they were in the weakest BCS conference and therefore the difference in talent wasnt as big of a deal. I actually believe Rutgers is, and has been, more athletic then many of their opponents in the Big East and out of conference. So them not winning many games leaves me with the conclusion that that players are poorly coached. In terms of over-achieving last season, i dont give them the credit you do. Mark Mangino is getting credit for taking Kansas to 11-1, but they lost to the only real team they played. Is it overachieving or simply weak opposition? In terms of rutgers, i view their record last season in much of the same light. While i will give you some measure of credit for the wins at South Florida and Louisville, i felt both teams were in down years respectively. Your big game for the Big East title you lost to WVU, not to mention losing to Cincy when you had the big target on your back. This year was a disaster in terms of coaching with your only win over a team of any kind of merit being the USF win. The other 6 wins are all laughable, and the losses were all games that were winnable. Rutgers has the talent, i believe that, so watching you blow games to Maryland, UConn, and Cincy again leaves me one assumption. Schiano is not coaching them up to their potential.

In my eyes, you guys play better without the spotlight on, acting as the hunter instead of the hunted. When the spotlight is on, Rutgers seems to choke. That to me means poor preperation or discipline, which is attributed to Schiano and not the players. Rutgers is a good team, but i fear they have only found recent success because of the vaccum of power at the top of the Big East after WVU and not because of some skilled coaching on Schiano's part
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:06 PM   #176
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Newest GT rumor is that Neuheisel will be announced on Thursday. Muschamp was apparently the AD's choice, but the Board rejected him.

CBS Sportsline (Dennis Dodd, I think) reported earlier that Paul Johnson had been offered by GT... iirc, he was the only (first?) guy to get the Gailey offer right, so I'm hoping he's got the right inside connections.
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:06 PM   #177
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:09 PM   #178
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Exactly.

And my point is this was a crucial season for Rutgers becaue it had a chance to make itself 1a to West Virginia, or at least second. Now it's stuck in a huge pile of teams that include Louisville, USF, UConn, Cinncy and even Pitt with that kid they have running the ball.

7-5 this year could easily be 5-7 next year if Rice decides to test the waters.

Sorry, but saying a coach who took a program which was arguably one of the worst and most embarrassing programs in the country is a "bad coach" because he made some coaching mistakes in a handful of games is pretty dumb logic.

Tell Rutgers fans ten years ago that they would actually go to bowl games in consecutive years and they'd be jumping for joy.

Even if he is a subpar "game-day" coach; give me that any day if he'll build my shitty program into a consistent bowl/conference competitor.
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:11 PM   #179
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Sorry, but saying a coach who took a program which was arguably one of the worst and most embarrassing programs in the country is a "bad coach" because he made some coaching mistakes in a handful of games is pretty dumb logic.

Tell Rutgers fans ten years ago that they would actually go to bowl games in consecutive years and they'd be jumping for joy.

Even if he is a subpar "game-day" coach; give me that any day if he'll build my shitty program into a consistent bowl/conference competitor.

See, thats the key. He is a great recruiter and can turn around a bad program, but thats not what Michigan needs. Michigan doesnt have to sell itself like rutgers, the prestige and tradition is already there. Now they need a game coach, and Schiano is not it. Schiano has done a great job tapping florida and turning rutgers into a good team, but i have my doubt about his ability to manage an elite team.
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:16 PM   #180
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Sorry, but saying a coach who took a program which was arguably one of the worst and most embarrassing programs in the country is a "bad coach" because he made some coaching mistakes in a handful of games is pretty dumb logic.

Tell Rutgers fans ten years ago that they would actually go to bowl games in consecutive years and they'd be jumping for joy.

Even if he is a subpar "game-day" coach; give me that any day if he'll build my shitty program into a consistent bowl/conference competitor.

As Blade said, what's best for Rutgers (great recruiting, keeping Jersey kids home), is NOT what is best for Michigan, who will get the great recruits simply by name recognition, but needs someone to coach them up.
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:17 PM   #181
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Sorry, but saying a coach who took a program which was arguably one of the worst and most embarrassing programs in the country is a "bad coach" because he made some coaching mistakes in a handful of games is pretty dumb logic.

Tell Rutgers fans ten years ago that they would actually go to bowl games in consecutive years and they'd be jumping for joy.

Even if he is a subpar "game-day" coach; give me that any day if he'll build my shitty program into a consistent bowl/conference competitor.

What Blade said. I was going under the context of him going to Michigan. He's been great for Rutgers and seems to want to stay there and I admire that but he's the type of coach from what I've seen would get out coached every single day vs the Tressels of the world, just like Carr.

And if Carr wasn't good enough for UM fans, Schiano has no chance.
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:25 PM   #182
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And arguably this team was better then last years with far more momentum coming into the year, and even though they lost their best all around player, the brought back a lot of starters and one of the nations premier backs and they blew several games they should've won, and melted down vs an awful Louisville team.

In his first year where he had something to prove, he proved nothing at all.

Is it only one year like this, sure. But a disappointing one at that.

Furthermore, in one season he has allowed Uconn and USF to catch up to Rutgers when they had a chance to become a top end team. Now they may lose Rice and next year will be even rougher.

This team wasn't nearly as good as last year's defensively, something I was completely blind to at the beginning of the season. We replaced all 3 LBs from last year's team and they performed to their level of inexperience. Our QB regressed horribly when it came to decision-making at key points (MD and Cincy games), and his bad thumb didn't help anything. Our special teams play was horrible -- you know how many punts were simply dropped? Obviously some of this falls on Schiano, but I'm the kind of person who likes to place blame on the guys actually playing.

BTW, no doubt in my mind UConn heads back to the pack. USF should be back though.

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You have to admit, Logan, that Louisville game was BAD for Rutgers. And really spoke to some piss poor coaching.

Completely agree. I don't want anyone assuming that I think Schiano is the greatest coach. He's not, at least not yet. He definitely has a lot of work to do. I just took issue with Detox's initial post about how he "never" saw his teams reach his potential. Just seemed a little too soon to make that comment.

Blade...didn't get a chance to read your post (too focused on NE-BAL). Since I asked you to go out of your way for a full response, I want to give you the courtesy of giving it a good read .
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:54 PM   #183
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#3 And no offense, but I cant see what the draw would be to leave Clemson for Arkansas unless he is tired of being on the hotseat for not winning a conference championship.

I honestly hope you are right. Most people here think Bowden is just Nutt II (mediocrity but minus the off-field drama, which would actually be nice).

There are the rumors about Malzahn resigning at Tulsa which could mean he is coming on board as OC again or HC which I am a fan of, myself. Bowden is certainly not who I wanted, nor most of the people around here wanted.
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:07 AM   #184
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Schiano knows how to build and manage a program. Scouting, recruiting and developing talent are the real keys, especially from the head coach's perspective, and that program does all of those things very well.

I really think that is all it takes to be a great head coach, whether it's Rutgers, Michigan, Notre Dame or Temple. You can bring in offensive and defensive coordinators to take care of most of the game day stuff, and beyond that, there have been coaches that were, in my opinion, much worse than Schiano with X's and O's that have had all the success in the world like Barry Switzer and Mack Brown. I've never really gotten the impression that Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno were offensive or defensive masterminds so much as good at managing their programs, and I'd venture a guess that Frank Beamer wouldn't be quite so successful without Bud Foster running the defense. You get the point.

Then on the other end of the spectrum there are guys like Ralph Friedgen that are brilliant coordinators/game day coaches that win big with the last coach's talent but just don't have the ability to bring in and develop players well enough to maintain a top program. He signed some pretty highly touted classes early on, too, so it's as much a matter of scouting and development as it is recruiting. And if you really believe that the Michigan name alone will do all the recruiting for you just take a look at what's going on at Notre Dame.

The guys that are great gameplanners and great at managing their programs like Tressel, Spurrier (in his prime, at least), Rodriguez, Meyer, Saban and so on are very rare.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd definitely take Schiano over Ferentz.
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:11 AM   #185
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Also I decided to look up what exactly the remarks Brian Kelly made at Central Michigan were that may be playing a role in him being passed over for the Michigan job. Here's what I found in a CMU newspaper article:

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“A number of them were African-Americans that had been in that culture of violence, and they’re taught to look away,” Kelly told the Free Press. “This is a culture that they are immersed in.”
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:18 AM   #186
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:20 AM   #187
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Old 12-04-2007, 12:20 AM   #188
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Blade...didn't get a chance to read your post (too focused on NE-BAL). Since I asked you to go out of your way for a full response, I want to give you the courtesy of giving it a good read .

Take your time, the more time i spend here the longer i put off the 10 page paper i have due tomorrow. So by all means, for my own sake, take your time.
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I heard they wanted June Jones, but Lloyd Carr said no and is coming back.

I seriously take this back now that I found out Lloyd Carr voted Hawaii 5th.
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Old 12-04-2007, 02:06 AM   #190
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CBS Sportsline (Dennis Dodd, I think) reported earlier that Paul Johnson had been offered by GT... iirc, he was the only (first?) guy to get the Gailey offer right, so I'm hoping he's got the right inside connections.

Jamie Newberg has now reported this as well. What a day of rumors.
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Old 12-04-2007, 02:14 AM   #191
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While i will give you some measure of credit for the wins at South Florida and Louisville, i felt both teams were in down years respectively.

This has to be a joke. Louisville went 11-1, won the Big East championship and won the Orange Bowl. It was probably the best season in the history of the program.

South Florida, on the other hand, has only been around for 11 years, and last year's 9-4 team featured their second ever bowl game and first bowl win. Since they went 6-6 in their prior bowl season, the 2006 team was arguably the best USF team ever.
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Old 12-04-2007, 02:44 AM   #192
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Not at all, and as we saw USF was much better this year. Louisville, in my eyes, was a better team this year. Their record will not indicate it, but their offense was jaw droppingly good this year. Their defense was that bad as well, but again i chalk that up to the improved offenses of their opponents more so then their lack of ability. I think the entire mid-table of the major conferences took a big step forward this year, so i dont fault them as much for the lack of defense. Some of the teams they lost to scored on a lot of squads. USF, Kentucky, WVU...those are top squads this year. UConn was an average squad in my eyes, though their record was excellent(see, it replies in reverse too). The Syracuse loss is just bad, but the Utah loss is actually ok considering they did that to UCLA and some of their other opponents as well. Last year i thought the big east was down, this year i thought it was up. Simply my opinion.
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Old 12-04-2007, 03:01 AM   #193
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Also I decided to look up what exactly the remarks Brian Kelly made at Central Michigan were that may be playing a role in him being passed over for the Michigan job. Here's what I found in a CMU newspaper article:
I guess I must be too white to understand why this would be highly controversial.
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Old 12-04-2007, 03:15 AM   #194
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I guess I must be too white to understand why this would be highly controversial.

Same here. I actually thought I may be misunderstanding the quote, but considering that some of the guys got perjury charges, I thought he was just pointing out that "not snitching" is a big thing in rap music.
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:33 AM   #195
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He's reportedly UCLA's top choice FWIW. My question on him is he inherited an already strong program from Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins. Yes, he deserves some credit for helping build that program as Hawkins' OC and for guiding the team to an undefeated season last year, but his track record as a head man is short.

Don't get me wrong - if the UW fires Ty I'd love to see them interview Peterson, but I'm not sure where he should rank among the coaching prospects out there.

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Old 12-04-2007, 08:06 AM   #196
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I honestly hope you are right. Most people here think Bowden is just Nutt II (mediocrity but minus the off-field drama, which would actually be nice).



I dont think thats a fair comparison. While Bowden has certainly under performed and been blasted for it, he has the 6th highest graduation rate among active coaches, there have been almost zero off the field issues and booster contribution and membeership is at an all time high.

Quite simply Bowden is a GREAT program coach, but he is an average at best game day coach. He is some one I consider a personal friend and have worked beeside on numerous charitablee and fund raising drives and I hope selfishly that he stays (I mean really what are the chances I will have a phone number direct in to the next head coach?)
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:40 AM   #197
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Its quality of work as well as roster comparisons. While one could argue they have one the worst rosters during that period, another could argue they were in the weakest BCS conference and therefore the difference in talent wasnt as big of a deal. I actually believe Rutgers is, and has been, more athletic then many of their opponents in the Big East and out of conference. So them not winning many games leaves me with the conclusion that that players are poorly coached. In terms of over-achieving last season, i dont give them the credit you do. Mark Mangino is getting credit for taking Kansas to 11-1, but they lost to the only real team they played. Is it overachieving or simply weak opposition? In terms of rutgers, i view their record last season in much of the same light. While i will give you some measure of credit for the wins at South Florida and Louisville, i felt both teams were in down years respectively. Your big game for the Big East title you lost to WVU, not to mention losing to Cincy when you had the big target on your back. This year was a disaster in terms of coaching with your only win over a team of any kind of merit being the USF win. The other 6 wins are all laughable, and the losses were all games that were winnable. Rutgers has the talent, i believe that, so watching you blow games to Maryland, UConn, and Cincy again leaves me one assumption. Schiano is not coaching them up to their potential.

In my eyes, you guys play better without the spotlight on, acting as the hunter instead of the hunted. When the spotlight is on, Rutgers seems to choke. That to me means poor preperation or discipline, which is attributed to Schiano and not the players. Rutgers is a good team, but i fear they have only found recent success because of the vaccum of power at the top of the Big East after WVU and not because of some skilled coaching on Schiano's part

timmy already handled the "down years" comment on Louisville and USF, which I'll also address below, so I'll leave that out for now. And I also sort of addressed that I don't think Schiano is a great coach last night. I can tell you though (and I'm not saying this is exclusive to Rutgers, I'm sure a lot of schools can make this claim), there were specific plays that led us to lose games like Cincy, MD, and Louisville, and they all had to do with guys on the field making either horrible decisions (Teel), horrible attempts at tackles, dropping easy balls, etc.; i.e. they were plays that should have been completed on the field, and it wasn't as if they were caused by the defense being unprepared for a back-up RB or the offense being confused by a particular defensive scheme. Now if you want to put the blame on Schiano for those things because they are his players, and it ultimately falls on him, that's fine. As I said, I tend to hold the players more accountable for those things, and Schiano accountable for things like the infamous "timeout to set up a blocked punt with a few seconds remaining in the first half in a tight game against WVU, only to have WVU come back out with their offense, RU still line up in an 11 man punt block, leaving Chris Henry wide open on the sideline for an easy 80 yard TD." Thankfully we haven't seen mistakes like he made in his first few years. Anyway, back to the original point, three plays last year were probably the difference between 11-2 and 8-5. We could have easily not had that special season at all. College football is just that tight of a game.

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Not at all, and as we saw USF was much better this year. Louisville, in my eyes, was a better team this year. Their record will not indicate it, but their offense was jaw droppingly good this year. Their defense was that bad as well, but again i chalk that up to the improved offenses of their opponents more so then their lack of ability. I think the entire mid-table of the major conferences took a big step forward this year, so i dont fault them as much for the lack of defense. Some of the teams they lost to scored on a lot of squads. USF, Kentucky, WVU...those are top squads this year. UConn was an average squad in my eyes, though their record was excellent(see, it replies in reverse too). The Syracuse loss is just bad, but the Utah loss is actually ok considering they did that to UCLA and some of their other opponents as well. Last year i thought the big east was down, this year i thought it was up. Simply my opinion.

Your eyes must be hurting from all that work you did on your paper . Louisville's defense was atrocious, so bad that their offense could've been 10x as good as last year and the team still would have been worse. They lost 3 guys to the NFL; one guy was a stud in Okoye, and they also lost the lynchpin of their D in Nate Harris. I'm sorry, but 42 points by Middle Tennessee State, 55 points by South Florida (while they do have a very good offense, that number is still insane), and 44 points by Utah are all unacceptable.

Not to mention that their offense kinda underperformed from last year, in my eyes at least. They didn't run the ball well against any decent team until the end of the season when they played USF and RU. Probably because they lost a lot of talent at that spot from last year, but still. Douglas was great, but it was Urrutia who had big things expected from him based on his great sophomore year, but he regressed big time. He went from a potential early-entrant to getting benched at times. I don't know if I've seen a fan base turn on a college, non-QB quicker.
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:49 AM   #198
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I honestly hope you are right. Most people here think Bowden is just Nutt II (mediocrity but minus the off-field drama, which would actually be nice).

There are the rumors about Malzahn resigning at Tulsa which could mean he is coming on board as OC again or HC which I am a fan of, myself. Bowden is certainly not who I wanted, nor most of the people around here wanted.

I'm curious, what do Arkansas fans expect? The guy averaged what, 8 wins a year? How much more do you expect at Arkansas? You play LSU, Alabama, and Auburn every year. Figure you go 1-2, beat the two Mississippi schools, and then maybe split with the two eastern division schools. That puts you at 4-4 or 5-3, win your non-conference games and you're sitting at 9-3 or 8-4.

I'm just curious because Arkansas is certainly not a top tier SEC school, but yet the fans think they are.
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:59 AM   #199
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I'm curious, what do Arkansas fans expect? The guy averaged what, 8 wins a year? How much more do you expect at Arkansas? You play LSU, Alabama, and Auburn every year. Figure you go 1-2, beat the two Mississippi schools, and then maybe split with the two eastern division schools. That puts you at 4-4 or 5-3, win your non-conference games and you're sitting at 9-3 or 8-4.

I'm just curious because Arkansas is certainly not a top tier SEC school, but yet the fans think they are.

Arkansas does not average 8 wins a year. We expect to challenge for the SEC championship every year and a national title on occassion. We expect to be where LSU is now, in all honesty.

No, Arkansas is not a top tier school. But we expect to attempt to improve the program so it is.

The problem with Bowden is it is a lateral move for the program and we want to try to improve, not maintain.

We also don't respond well to being told we need to "know our place in college football" as Gene Wojeckjdpjapaski or whatever came on a local radio program yesterday and told us. D-bag.

FWIW, word out of Clemson this morning is Bowden is staying put. Most of the fans want Gus Malzahn at this point. I think I do, too (if we can't get Butch).
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:29 AM   #200
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Newest GT rumor is that Neuheisel will be announced on Thursday. Muschamp was apparently the AD's choice, but the Board rejected him.

Take it for what it's worth - probably nothing - but Radakovich (GT AD) has responded to email inquiries about this by stating it's 100% false and that the Board hasn't met w/r/t a coaching candidate yet.

Lots of rumors that Paul Johnson has been offered the job and is considering.
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