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#151 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
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I don't have the exact transcript of the call I just got from DirecTV, but it was enough to convince me to get rid of them when my contact expires in 8 months.
She started off saying how I was such a loyal customer and if I wanted HBO, to which I said OK. She then spent a couple of minutes telling me about this great deal, then at the end said I would be paying full price and get free Cinemax. She kept talking and then said how they would start it immediately and told me to have a good day. I was able to speak as she was about to hang up and said I didn't want it. She then talked for another minute and said they would start it right away. I said no thank you again. She then said fine and hung up. |
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#152 |
Solecismic Software
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Canton, OH
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Even though I think we're best served by a bundle, I dread trying to negotiate this or talking to these companies.
I really don't like Charter. I've had them out to the house maybe 25 times in the eight years I've been in this house. There are constant signal issues. Since they switched to all-digital, nothing works right. I'm glad they finally allowed people to do a box reset online without phoning. With the foreign level-one service they went to, I had reached a point where every time the box went, I'd just tell them to send someone out here. Which they do rather quickly. Strangely, never the same person. I know it's all contracted out these days, but that seems odd. I think UVerse is all-copper out here. Which means slower internet speeds. For now that's not a serious issue, but I think it will be in the future. They've also dropped from the top of ratings list to near the bottom. I called XFinity and asked for new product information. I reached someone who couldn't even speak English. She just read scripts in a heavy accent and told me she couldn't understand any questions. I just don't want to cut the cable cord to spite our sports viewing. Though it's easier to do between April and September. |
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#153 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Great Northwest
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We are cutting the cord when we move up to Oregon. Or at least we are going to try it out. The only thing I'll be missing that I can't get some other way is going to be MLB Network... I was thinking about getting MLB.tv but they don't have MLB Network on there and that is frustrating...
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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Do you mean you'd have to bump up the cost you pay for internet to $100 if you unbundle it? Or do you mean that you'd need more than 50 Mbps? Because I only have 25 Mbps and can solidly stream 2-3 HD movies from netflix/youtube, etc. with no problems (plus basic browsing & the like). 50 should be more than enough. |
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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If it isn't right away, it will be after the 3 months of exclusivity is up with Apple. Everybody else will off HBO Now eventually, its just that Apple has a short term window before everybody else. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)
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No, if I cancelled Direct and went to all streaming, I'd probably need to go up from the $65 tier I'm at, which is 20mb. I'd think I'd need to go to 50 mb, which would probably be $90-100 if I didn't bundle anyway. How I long for Google Fiber......which will probably never reach me.
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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Hmm...20 might do it. Would it be just you & spouse? Or do you have kids who would be streaming (including youtube) as well? I'd think 20 should be fine for just you & 1 other person regularly unless your ISP is always bad in your area for whatever reason. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)
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I've got 2 kids that stream a lot on youtube, netflix, amazon, etc. If we go with 3 of us streaming I get some pretty good blur at times. I figure for $30ish more a month, for whole home DVR and the top tier on the cable package, I'm ok for now. The big thing for me was no contract. I can cancel when I want, zero penalty.
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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I kind of hate myself for it but I really like my DirecTV. I've thought of switching to cable from my internet provider and bundling, but after the 6-month introductory rate, it really isn't that huge a difference in price, and it can only be worse in service and quality of the product, because DirecTV has been perfect. And if I cancelled DirecTV, I'd surely get MLB.TV, hulu, some kind of DVR to use with over-the-air stuff, I'd spend more time at bars watching sports, and I'd enhance my Netflix subscription to get more DVDs out at time, and who knows what else. So I've been DirectTV + Netflix + Amazon prime and nothing else for quite a while now and I have access to everything I'd ever want.
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#161 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: NYC
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Because of sports, I know I'm never going to cut the cord (as long as I can afford not to) but I definitely like the progress being made on all these fronts. Happy it is working out for a lot of you and hoping we'll eventually get to the point where streaming/a la carte works even for sports lovers. I think eventually we'll get to the point where we're spending a little less money for a lot less content, and that's fine with me. But I want it all to be on my TV and not my laptop/phone/tablet even if it's being beamed/wired to my TV.
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#162 |
Solecismic Software
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Canton, OH
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I've spent far too much time on this in the last few days. Turns out xFinity is spending a fortune mailing me stuff every week for no reason at all. They can't provide service here.
So I'm stuck with Charter for Internet/Phone, unless I want to go back to ATT - a company I've really come to dislike over the years. The question is whether streaming is OK. I'm probably too far away from the stations to get over-the-air networks without a rooftop antenna. While I could probably fight the HOA over this issue, they are forbidden and at least a couple of my near neighbors are antenna haters. I was the guy who showed them the law wasn't on their side when one of my other neighbors got a satellite dish. But that isn't worth the fight just for one partial solution. Sling is looking promising, but I think cord-cutting is about a year off. Meanwhile, though, I wanted to look into whether dropping to the most basic service and adding other pieces was worth while. So I have to get speed up. I found I was getting 15 Mbps, when 60 is advertised. A couple of phone calls later, I'm at 40-50. That's probably good enough, but the tech advised me that perhaps my router's firmware was an issue. It's an old Linksys router (still highly rated). But my firmware level is several versions behind the latest. Problem is that the latest is no longer offered because the router is out of warranty. I contacted Linksys and they told me to buy a new router. I can find the firmware update online, but is it safe to trust those sites? Is there a safe site that archives firmware updates? |
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#163 |
Death Herald
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas
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If your Linksys is WRT54G, you might look at putting DD-WRT or one of the other open source firmwares on it.
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#164 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Here and There
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#165 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: ...down the gravity well
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I must admit that my wife and I are at odds.
Currently we have Amazon Prime and Netflix plus basic cable (I mean the most basic). She's adverse to cutting because my son loves PBS and she hates having to handle on the Roku to play the next show, and she doesn't want him binge watching one particular show (I roll my eyes because she's at home 3 days a week and can make the effort to do this). Currently with basic cable, a dvr recorder (which I want to remove), phone and internet, I'm paying 140 bucks (down from 198). If I cut cable completely, it becomes 80 and I have to check my security system, but it appears a new upgrade would remove the need for a landline, so 80 could potentially become 70 bucks... 70 bucks, even if you factor in Prime being 100 a year and Netflix at 7.99. It's just so much better. I don't miss sports, I don't miss the aimless channel surfing...it's actually been nice.
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#166 |
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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The not wanting to handle checking in on the PBS Channel on Roku is kind of a lame excuse - I wonder if its something else (like, she really likes watching trashy daytime stuff
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: ...down the gravity well
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I'm leaning towards antenna and I agree, not buying it on the Roku thing, get off your butt. I interviewed for a position within my company that allows me to work remote, holy hell is going to occur if I'm at home because I am disciplined enough to get shit done round the house while juggling work and kids.
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Of course, I'd also argue there are worse things in life than your child binge watching Sesame Street
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Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
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PBS Kids also has an excellent app for tablets and phones (that allows the kid to easily switch between shows) and there's even the website for laptop/desktop use.
It's so funny how their approach to content availability is so different from mine. They have no concept whatsoever of content not being available on demand. |
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#170 |
College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Chicago
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Used Sling TV for the first time last night on Xbox One. It was a great experience in terms of streaming quality and options. At the same time it seems a bit expensive and kind of goes back to what I was wanting to get away from. If they were to add more channels to the basic $19.99 package I would probably bite. In its current state I will probably just enjoy the 30 day trial and give it up.
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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#172 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Cary, NC
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Sony launches $50 Vue cord-cutting service - Mar. 19, 2015
I don't think Sony understands why people want to cut the cord. Hint: paying $50 / month is one of the key reasons...
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#173 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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$50 a month is fairly cheap as far as cable bills go, however.
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Los Angeles
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Canada seems ahead of the curve.
Canada Embraces Cable A La Carte Pricing | Deadline Quote:
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Winnipeg, MB
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In Canada our regulators just required that every tv provider offer a $25 basic service and then total a la carte (or extremely small packages) on top of that. Which is cool, but the instant reaction is that the providers will just charge more for internet services to recover any losses from TV revenues. It sucks that these companies own the entire vertical.
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#176 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Winnipeg, MB
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Dola
Looks like Pyser beat me to the real news, but my opinion still stands.
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#177 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Also who knows what they'll charge for each individual channel. The people complaining about HBO NOW costing $15/mo (and there actually are loads of them) will be in for a rude awakening, I think.
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#178 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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$50 for a bare bones TV package without ESPN isn't very appealing.
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#179 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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I bet the price is jacked up to $50 due to multiple streams at once (3) and substantial VOD / DVR-like service. I guess it shows how much more it'll cost Sling TV if it were to offer these things.
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#180 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Sony Vue is going to bury Sling in the monthly sales figures.
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#181 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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You think that many people with Playstations are going to pay $50/mo?
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Here and There
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I pay 129 for triple play from FIOS. I don't see $50 for less tv being a good deal. |
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#183 |
H.S. Freshman Team
Join Date: Nov 2003
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Regarding Vue, $50 is just the lowest level too. I think the highest level is $70 which would have some channels I want (like Sprout for the kids). So if I pay $75 for cable internet plus $70 for Vie then that is $145 which puts it right along with the high cable bills I am trying to avoid...
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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So, Sling TV has scored a coup (and I don't think its an April Fools joke as its all over the web):
Sling TV To Offer HBO For $15 A Month: A Cord Cutter’s Delight? | Deadline Quote:
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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So this seems to be the place to post things like this....
http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...rte-cable.aspx Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Disney is already publicly stating that putting ESPN & ESPN2 into a "sports tier" isn't allowed under their contract with Verizon (same as everybody's contract really). But just when you want to start rooting for the telco...this Quote:
I guess it is what it is. Pay a little less for a LOT less. |
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#186 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: non white trash MD
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just cancelled FIOS yesterday.... or switched to just internet (i have over the air cable since it was 30$ a month cheaper to have that than just internet). Only need live tv for sports, and i can stream the avs on my blueray, and the nats should be over the air.
well see how it goes....
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#187 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: NYC
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Is ESPN A Giant Bubble About to Burst? | FOX Sports
Some good stuff in there about the economics that make cable bundling so good for sports fans. Last edited by Logan : 07-14-2015 at 10:09 AM. |
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Good article. The other interesting thing is if there is a bundling bubble, as the article describes, it isn't just ESPN that is in trouble... its the sports leagues themselves. Who is going to buy the rights and for how much? A lot of the bidding wars for rights are because of cable carriage fees - networks like Fox are willing to overspend, so they can put sports on FS1 and then demand that cable companies put that on the basic tier so it can get all that cash. I'd imagine that if the shakeout results in much less cable subscribers, that those rights deals would plummet in the next go around.
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Join Date: Sep 2003
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We cut the cord back in April. We had thought about it for a while, but my wife was against it because she loves watching the NFL. So, when Sling TV came along with ESPN, the decision was easy.
We went from paying $280 a month for cable, internet and home phone to about $100 for just internet & various subscriptions to streaming services, ie Sling TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime & an HD antennae. I bought 1 $50 HD antennae, 2 Roku players and after a month they paid for themselves.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: NYC
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Yeah I posted the article before I finished and hadn't thought of that component either. Like they said, cutting Bill Simmons and his multi-million dollar salary loose is one thing...getting out of twenty year, multi-billion rights deals is a whole other. Another bubble that could burst...college football coaching salaries. |
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#191 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Makes me wonder if the future is each sport selling directly to the consumer - in that way would sport consumers have only a limited option of live sports unless they pay for a season long package (unless you are an NFL fan)? Even watching the local team may be difficult - in Atlanta, watching the Braves station requires cable.
If the cable juggernaut as we know it falls, even slightly, things may be fairly expensive for watching live sports.
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Northern Kentucky
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It would bring local stations back into play. Also, I think you would see salaries plummet.
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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If baseball is any guide, some of the local stations are on cable currently
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Northern Kentucky
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It ESPN runs into real issues, I wouldn't be surprised to see leagues contract.
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Dayton, OH
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You must forgive me if I don't take a FOX Sports article critical of ESPN 100% seriously.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: NYC
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I thought that too at first but there's nothing in there that isn't within a solid realm of possibility. Fox will be affected by this too. Give it a read and tell me what you think is being overcritical of ESPN and we can discuss it. Last edited by Logan : 07-16-2015 at 08:16 AM. |
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#197 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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Counteracting all that is that sports rights fees are HUGE right now because its perceived that sports is much more DVR-proof than anything else on TV (whether that be traditional TV, or a streaming internet version). And you can more shamelessly advertise within the product than you can with other TV shows. ESPN and sports are better positioned to successfully transition in a changing media landscape than just about anything else on TV.
I don't think ESPN or team sports are in trouble. They'll both survive cord-cutting, people just love their sports too much. And businesses will always find a way to get their name out there, and sports will always be a huge part of that. |
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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[EDIT: I completely read that wrong (the opposite really), so ignore the following] Say what? I'd argue it's just the opposite. With all the social media out there, if you don't start watching a sports game on DVR within, oh 15 minutes of its starting, you are screwed in terms of getting spoiled. And getting spoiled in sports is, for whatever reason, far worse than getting spoiled in, say, Game of Thrones.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: sans pants
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Found a great site/app called CanIStream.it. If you are trying to find a specific movie/documentary/etc. it will tell you if it is available on any of the streaming services or if you have to go to itunes/amazon to rent it. Alternately you can search the premium cable channels for your title.
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