Werewolf XXXIV: Tombstone (GAME OVER - Night 13) - Page 4

LoneStarGirl · 10-08-2006, 10:12 PM

wow, 9 people in here, we should get a good discussion up and running

LoneStarGirl · 10-08-2006, 10:13 PM

It would be nice to be sherrif, but only because I probably have the most boring villager role out there.

Racer · 10-08-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Hey y'all. Villager checking in. Although a cowboy might campaign for the job, I think it would be suicidal for them to release their own kind if they were voted to be lynched. It would draw to much suspicion for them to do that. We probably need someone who is willing to lynch everyone who is sent to jail.

Okay I just reread the rules. If I understand the rules correctly (which I already misunderstood once), then villagers only vote to lynch someone who is currently in jail and cannot vote to put someone in jail, correct? If this is the case, then we need a sheriff who is going to listen to popular opinion when deciding who to put into jail and release from jail.

hoopsguy · 10-08-2006, 10:20 PM

I'm a little concerned about having Chief in the role of Sheriff. Not so much out of concern of him being evil - don't feel that way at the moment - but because of his usual schedule.

My preference would be to have the Sheriff be someone who is more available to participate in the discussion. The Sheriff is going to have the ability to make life and death decisions - I don't want them to auto-execute or auto-jail. I think it is considerably more difficult for the Sheriff to have to catch up on 200+ posts each night in order to make good decisions. I would prefer to have someone who is around to react to breaking information to provide me with the opportunity to interact with them.

The schedule is a contributing factor for me not pushing for the role - work has the potential to be pretty dicey. I don't really want to put the town in a position where I won't be able to make the best decisions.

I know CR has actively said he doesn't want the role. But Barkeep has now voted for him and others have suggested voting for people who are not campaigning for the job.

Thomkal · 10-08-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

deal me in pardner, ill take a wager or 2 with ya. just dont cheat me. i dont take kindly to cheaters

:::deals a hand of blackjack:::

No cheating here sir, I don't take kindly to having a hole in my head. Good luck to you.

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I was tlaking about why being the sherrif was good. As long as you are the sherrif you are invincible. You argued the deputies were only good for one night. I said, ah not so. You are the sherrif and those deputies protect you as long as you are the sherrif. This is why I think being the sherrif is so important. So important I am going to change my vote to the guy who I think is most likely a good guy right now (besides myself). While I like cronin, and if it's a two horse race would have no qualms about voting for him, I think for now

Unelect cronin
Elect Chief as my sherrif.

Hmm, while I appreciate the vote of confidence, I will once again state my desire not to be the sheirff. I don't believe my role, which I would not choose to reveal at this time, is conducive to being sheriff, although I don't believe there is a restriction against it in the rules.

Were the townfolk to vote me sheriff, I suppose I would perform the role as best as I could and to defeat the cowboys, but if given the option (not apparent in the rules), I would probably turn the office down.

Aside from my role, I also have other information about myself that makes me believe I am not suitable for the job.

bulletsponge · 10-08-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

:::deals a hand of blackjack:::

No cheating here sir, I don't take kindly to having a hole in my head. Good luck to you.

hehe ok. your one of the few here who havnt been asking for one

bulletsponge · 10-08-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

It would be nice to be sherrif, but only because I probably have the most boring villager role out there.

Id like to reaffirm my Sheriff vote for LSG

LSG for sheriff

i dont trust a cagy vet in that role right now. and i dig chicks with guns

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm a little concerned about having Chief in the role of Sheriff. Not so much out of concern of him being evil - don't feel that way at the moment - but because of his usual schedule.

My preference would be to have the Sheriff be someone who is more available to participate in the discussion. The Sheriff is going to have the ability to make life and death decisions - I don't want them to auto-execute or auto-jail. I think it is considerably more difficult for the Sheriff to have to catch up on 200+ posts each night in order to make good decisions. I would prefer to have someone who is around to react to breaking information to provide me with the opportunity to interact with them.

The schedule is a contributing factor for me not pushing for the role - work has the potential to be pretty dicey. I don't really want to put the town in a position where I won't be able to make the best decisions.

I know CR has actively said he doesn't want the role. But Barkeep has now voted for him and others have suggested voting for people who are not campaigning for the job.

I tend to agree with this, as my schedule is going to be an issue on some days (I believe I will be working both jobs Tue and Wed this week, which means I am on very early and very late only). On the other days, I will not be available for much discussion in the day time, but I will return home from work to read discussion, get a vote in and participate in the discussions in and around the deadline and at night.

That said, if people weren't too concerned about the sheriff's participation in discussions, but more about the choices he would make, I would be available to read through all discussions and make night actions as appropriate. My schedule won't inhibit me there.

Glengoyne · 10-08-2006, 10:28 PM

Checking in. I had to review the rules, and catch up.

LoneStarGirl · 10-08-2006, 10:28 PM

you can turn the role of sherrif down?

LoneStarGirl · 10-08-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

Id like to reaffirm my Sheriff vote for LSG

LSG for sheriff

i dont trust a cagy vet in that role right now. and i dig chicks with guns

Thanks Bullet. I am a teacher so I get home around 4 every day, and have weekends off so i'll be here a lot.... But i dont have a vice for power, so either way is good for me.

Alan T · 10-08-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

you can turn the role of sherrif down?

If you are elected, you are elected. Doesn't mean you have to do any of the sheriff duties however if you so choose. Not sure though if the fine people of Tombstone would appreciate their Sheriff taking a vacation the first day on the job though!

Glengoyne · 10-08-2006, 10:30 PM

So LSG and Cronin are campaigning for sheriff.

Anyone else throwing their proverbial hat into the ring?

This simple townperson would like to be an informed voter, so I'll be holding off backing a particular candidate for now.

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

you can turn the role of sherrif down?

I don't believe you can. I'm just saying if I were voted into the office, I may seriously consider turning it down if that is an option. If it is not, though, I would perform the office to the fullest of my abilities.

bulletsponge · 10-08-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

you can turn the role of sherrif down?

ill vote for someone else if you dont want the job

spleen1015 · 10-08-2006, 10:34 PM

Another villager checking in.

Like some, I am against role reveals at this time.

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 10:36 PM

In fact, going on what Barkeep was saying about the Sheriff having protection, this next move makes the most sense to me, if he does indeed have seer abilities.

ELECT BARKEEP

This is the only way I can think to give him nightly protection without knowing more about people's roles or the hidden rules/night actions.

Glengoyne · 10-08-2006, 10:36 PM

Oh yeah,

If Karma means anything, then I probably owe LSG a vote for sheriff 'cause I screwed up and got her killed as a rookie.

LoneStarGirl · 10-08-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Oh yeah,

If Karma means anything, then I probably owe LSG a vote for sheriff 'cause I screwed up and got her killed as a rookie.

Sure did, on my second game to ever play. I'll get you back for that one day Glengoyne

Glengoyne · 10-08-2006, 10:38 PM

Chief may in fact be on to something. He would still be susceptible to showdowns, but killing a key town's person sounds like the fast track to a cowboy lynching.

LoneStarGirl · 10-08-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

ill vote for someone else if you dont want the job

I was referring to what Chief had said earlier... about him not wanting the Sherrif job.

bulletsponge · 10-08-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

In fact, going on what Barkeep was saying about the Sheriff having protection, this next move makes the most sense to me, if he does indeed have seer abilities.

ELECT BARKEEP

This is the only way I can think to give him nightly protection without knowing more about people's roles or the hidden rules/night actions.

but Barkeep wants me to hang

spleen1015 · 10-08-2006, 10:42 PM

ELECT st. cronin

Regardless of who gets elected sheriff, I would like the see Fouts jailed, then lynched. This is based solely on 1 word in his post. I know it may seem silly, but we have to start some where.

Racer · 10-08-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

In fact, going on what Barkeep was saying about the Sheriff having protection, this next move makes the most sense to me, if he does indeed have seer abilities.

ELECT BARKEEP

This is the only way I can think to give him nightly protection without knowing more about people's roles or the hidden rules/night actions.

I think I agree with this so my vote will be the same.

ELECT BARKEEP

Abe Sargent · 10-08-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

i have no desire to be sheriff...i am more than comfortable enough in my current profession that i see no reason to make myself a target of the cowboys.

Elect saldana

I was always taught to draft someone who doesn;t want to be the leader, because then they'll do the best job.

-Anxiety

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

ELECT st. cronin

Regardless of who gets elected sheriff, I would like the see Fouts jailed, then lynched. This is based solely on 1 word in his post. I know it may seem silly, but we have to start some where.

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Townsperson checking in. I might have the most boring role in the game.

elect LSG

Hold on, lemme guess. Is it "the"? (first one, not second)

hoopsguy · 10-08-2006, 10:47 PM

Definitely interested in hearing about the one word.

I found it interesting that both LSG and Fouts claim to have very boring jobs. But I didn't take it to be a jailing offense at this point.

Alan T · 10-08-2006, 10:50 PM

Extended Day 1 voting so far:

Sheriff election:

(1) hoopsguy - ntndeacon (104)
(2) St.cronin - St.cronin (105), Spleen (174)
(2) Lonestargirl - Bulletsponge (109), Fouts (121)
(1) Chiefrum - Barkeep (149)
(2) Barkeep - Chief Rum (168), Racer (175)
(1) Saldana - Anxiety (176)

Lynch votes:

No prisoners in jail to be sentenced today.

Lathum · 10-08-2006, 10:51 PM

checking in, so far I'm not sure what to make of the role reveals people have made so far. I am gonna keep to myself for the time being. As for the sherif role I think we are pretty much taking a crapshoot at this point. I think one thing we need to make sure of is that we narrow it down to a few candidates because this is where we are going to start basing out voting patterns off of. For now

VOTE LSG

I think if we stick to one main candidate it would make it much harder for the cowboys to try and get their own person elected and if LSG is a cowboy we look at the patterns.

spleen1015 · 10-08-2006, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hold on, lemme guess. Is it "the"? (first one, not second)

No. It was the 'I'. Only a cowboy would capitalize the 'I'!

All kidding asside, I know Alan T said he gave each person a different PM to avoid any CoT being built from PMs, but that can only go so far, IMO.

Fouts referred to himself as a 'Townsperson'. Knowing that I'm not a cowboy, I was told I was something other than a 'Townsperson'.

There you go.

st.cronin · 10-08-2006, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

but Barkeep wants me to hang

No, he just wants you jailed.

Lathum · 10-08-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

ELECT st. cronin

Regardless of who gets elected sheriff, I would like the see Fouts jailed, then lynched. This is based solely on 1 word in his post. I know it may seem silly, but we have to start some where.

interesting, care to elaborate?

st.cronin · 10-08-2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

No. It was the 'I'. Only a cowboy would capitalize the 'I'!

All kidding asside, I know Alan T said he gave each person a different PM to avoid any CoT being built from PMs, but that can only go so far, IMO.

Fouts referred to himself as a 'Townsperson'. Knowing that I'm not a cowboy, I was told I was something other than a 'Townsperson'.

There you go.

um, that's pretty weak imo

bulletsponge · 10-08-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

No, he just wants you jailed.

No he wants me hanged! i hope he has an bartendin ability that he can find out that i am a humble townsfolk, not a cowboy. or else ill have to kill him

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

um, that's pretty weak imo

Well, he [i]is[/]i] voting for you, you know! Maybe you should listen to your constituents.

spleen1015 · 10-08-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

um, that's pretty weak imo

Sure it is. Like I said, I was just starting some where.

Here's something else...

I don't like Barkeep's big push for role reveals. He may in fact be the bartender, but that doesn't mean he's a good guy. I think is he a cowboy trying to set the rest of us up. I also worry that those 2 votes for him are cowboys as well.

I know the first couple of days are a crapshoot, but it is better to apply some logic and get lucky than to just blindly pick.

I think we should avoid electing Barkeep, Chief Rum, or Racer as sheriff for the time being.

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Well, he [i]is[/]i] voting for you, you know! Maybe you should listen to your constituents.

Lemme try again...

Well, he is voting for you, you know! Maybe you should listen to your constituents.

Much better.

bulletsponge · 10-08-2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Sure it is. Like I said, I was just starting some where.

Here's something else...

I don't like Barkeep's big push for role reveals. He may in fact be the bartender, but that doesn't mean he's a good guy. I think is he a cowboy trying to set the rest of us up. I also worry that those 2 votes for him are cowboys as well.

I know the first couple of days are a crapshoot, but it is better to apply some logic and get lucky than to just blindly pick.

I think we should avoid electing Barkeep, Chief Rum, or Racer as sheriff for the time being.

i agree. 2 of them are out to get me just cause i drink a bit.

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Sure it is. Like I said, I was just starting some where.

Here's something else...

I don't like Barkeep's big push for role reveals. He may in fact be the bartender, but that doesn't mean he's a good guy. I think is he a cowboy trying to set the rest of us up. I also worry that those 2 votes for him are cowboys as well.

I know the first couple of days are a crapshoot, but it is better to apply some logic and get lucky than to just blindly pick.

I think we should avoid electing Barkeep, Chief Rum, or Racer as sheriff for the time being.

Well, if your going to go down the road of not wanting me as sheriff, I fully support you there. As for your logic getting there, though, I'm not a friend of cowboys, I assure you. And I don't get a bad vibe from Barkeep at all. If he's a cowboy, he has played it very well to this point.

Racer hasn't said much beyond his vote, so I can't really comment on him.

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

i agree. 2 of them are out to get me just cause i drink a bit.

Naw, I am just out to get you because I think you're overplaying your role a touch (and making too many "idle" threats about killing people).

Seriously, I don't have any desire to see you hanged (at least right now).

bulletsponge · 10-08-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Naw, I am just out to get you because I think you're overplaying your role a touch (and making too many "idle" threats about killing people).

Seriously, I don't have any desire to see you hanged (at least right now).

what! are you calling me a lyin yellow bellied chicken?

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

what! are you calling me a lyin yellow bellied chicken?

Nope, I would say you're a too truthful, rashfully brave townsperson, with courage fueled and vision blurred by alcohol.

bulletsponge · 10-08-2006, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Nope, I would say you're a too truthful, rashfully brave townsperson, with courage fueled and vision blurred by alcohol.

is that an insult?!

no really is it? i gotta drink less and gamble more

Lathum · 10-08-2006, 11:14 PM

IMO barkeep is way to smart of a player to try and pull day one shenanagins. The bottom line is that if the bartender role=seer and barkeep is lying then the real seer will eventually come out and barkeep will be exposed. In these games the seer role is usually a 1-1 trade but it is usally the seer outing a wolf, not a wolf forcing the seer to out themselves.

Untill someone disputes barkeeps claim I say he is on the level.

spleen1015 · 10-08-2006, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

IMO barkeep is way to smart of a player to try and pull day one shenanagins. The bottom line is that if the bartender role=seer and barkeep is lying then the real seer will eventually come out and barkeep will be exposed. In these games the seer role is usually a 1-1 trade but it is usally the seer outing a wolf, not a wolf forcing the seer to out themselves.

Untill someone disputes barkeeps claim I say he is on the level.

I don't think he is lying. I think he has seer-like abilities, while being a cowboy.

Chief Rum · 10-08-2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

is that an insult?!

no really is it? i gotta drink less and gamble more

No insult. I enjoy having your gun around, as long as you're one of us.

st.cronin · 10-08-2006, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

IMO barkeep is way to smart of a player to try and pull day one shenanagins. The bottom line is that if the bartender role=seer and barkeep is lying then the real seer will eventually come out and barkeep will be exposed. In these games the seer role is usually a 1-1 trade but it is usally the seer outing a wolf, not a wolf forcing the seer to out themselves.

Untill someone disputes barkeeps claim I say he is on the level.

There is nothing in the rules about roles being inherently good or bad. He could be telling the truth about his role, and still be a cowboy. Also, he didn't claim to be the seer - we are just guessing what his 'role' might allow him to do.

path12 · 10-08-2006, 11:17 PM

Wow, lots going on early. Just checking in, don't believe I have much of a role but I'm going to hang on to it for now while I get a sense of what's going on.

As for sheriff, I believe I'll wait and see there also. I'm not sure how I feel about those who campaign for it.

I guess to sum up, I'm here but have nothin'

Racer · 10-08-2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Sure it is. Like I said, I was just starting some where.

Here's something else...

I don't like Barkeep's big push for role reveals. He may in fact be the bartender, but that doesn't mean he's a good guy. I think is he a cowboy trying to set the rest of us up. I also worry that those 2 votes for him are cowboys as well.

I know the first couple of days are a crapshoot, but it is better to apply some logic and get lucky than to just blindly pick.

I think we should avoid electing Barkeep, Chief Rum, or Racer as sheriff for the time being.

I am pretty sure Chief Rum was applying logic to his vote for Barkeep as sheriff. When I read the role descriptions I also thought the role of the bartender could very well be the seer as did Chief Rum. That is the reason why I voted for Barkeep. Also, there have been quite a few people so far that have said their vote has been "random".

While I'm not sure I agree with Barkeep's push to reveal roles, I don't think that indicates he is a Cowboy. I promise you that I am no cowboy.

10-08-2006, 10:36 PM	#168
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	In fact, going on what Barkeep was saying about the Sheriff having protection, this next move makes the most sense to me, if he does indeed have seer abilities. ELECT BARKEEP This is the only way I can think to give him nightly protection without knowing more about people's roles or the hidden rules/night actions. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-08-2006, 11:17 PM	#199
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Wow, lots going on early. Just checking in, don't believe I have much of a role but I'm going to hang on to it for now while I get a sense of what's going on. As for sheriff, I believe I'll wait and see there also. I'm not sure how I feel about those who campaign for it. I guess to sum up, I'm here but have nothin' __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-08-2006, 10:12 PM	#151
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	wow, 9 people in here, we should get a good discussion up and running

10-08-2006, 10:13 PM	#152
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	It would be nice to be sherrif, but only because I probably have the most boring villager role out there.

10-08-2006, 10:20 PM	#154
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm a little concerned about having Chief in the role of Sheriff. Not so much out of concern of him being evil - don't feel that way at the moment - but because of his usual schedule. My preference would be to have the Sheriff be someone who is more available to participate in the discussion. The Sheriff is going to have the ability to make life and death decisions - I don't want them to auto-execute or auto-jail. I think it is considerably more difficult for the Sheriff to have to catch up on 200+ posts each night in order to make good decisions. I would prefer to have someone who is around to react to breaking information to provide me with the opportunity to interact with them. The schedule is a contributing factor for me not pushing for the role - work has the potential to be pretty dicey. I don't really want to put the town in a position where I won't be able to make the best decisions. I know CR has actively said he doesn't want the role. But Barkeep has now voted for him and others have suggested voting for people who are not campaigning for the job.

10-08-2006, 10:28 PM	#160
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Checking in. I had to review the rules, and catch up.

10-08-2006, 10:28 PM	#161
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	you can turn the role of sherrif down?

10-08-2006, 10:30 PM	#164
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	So LSG and Cronin are campaigning for sheriff. Anyone else throwing their proverbial hat into the ring? This simple townperson would like to be an informed voter, so I'll be holding off backing a particular candidate for now.

10-08-2006, 10:34 PM	#167
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Another villager checking in. Like some, I am against role reveals at this time.

10-08-2006, 10:36 PM	#169
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Oh yeah, If Karma means anything, then I probably owe LSG a vote for sheriff 'cause I screwed up and got her killed as a rookie.

10-08-2006, 10:38 PM	#171
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Chief may in fact be on to something. He would still be susceptible to showdowns, but killing a key town's person sounds like the fast track to a cowboy lynching.

10-08-2006, 10:42 PM	#174
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	ELECT st. cronin Regardless of who gets elected sheriff, I would like the see Fouts jailed, then lynched. This is based solely on 1 word in his post. I know it may seem silly, but we have to start some where.

10-08-2006, 10:47 PM	#178
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Definitely interested in hearing about the one word. I found it interesting that both LSG and Fouts claim to have very boring jobs. But I didn't take it to be a jailing offense at this point.

10-08-2006, 10:50 PM	#179
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Extended Day 1 voting so far: Sheriff election: (1) hoopsguy - ntndeacon (104) (2) St.cronin - St.cronin (105), Spleen (174) (2) Lonestargirl - Bulletsponge (109), Fouts (121) (1) Chiefrum - Barkeep (149) (2) Barkeep - Chief Rum (168), Racer (175) (1) Saldana - Anxiety (176) Lynch votes: No prisoners in jail to be sentenced today.

10-08-2006, 10:51 PM	#180
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	checking in, so far I'm not sure what to make of the role reveals people have made so far. I am gonna keep to myself for the time being. As for the sherif role I think we are pretty much taking a crapshoot at this point. I think one thing we need to make sure of is that we narrow it down to a few candidates because this is where we are going to start basing out voting patterns off of. For now VOTE LSG I think if we stick to one main candidate it would make it much harder for the cowboys to try and get their own person elected and if LSG is a cowboy we look at the patterns.

10-08-2006, 11:14 PM	#195
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	IMO barkeep is way to smart of a player to try and pull day one shenanagins. The bottom line is that if the bartender role=seer and barkeep is lying then the real seer will eventually come out and barkeep will be exposed. In these games the seer role is usually a 1-1 trade but it is usally the seer outing a wolf, not a wolf forcing the seer to out themselves. Untill someone disputes barkeeps claim I say he is on the level.

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