Werewolf XII: Mafia Returneth

[pennywisesb]

Wow. Thats a huge kill for the Mafia. Well guys, we are already two villagers down, and if we fail to lynch a mafia member today, we'll go two more down once they kill tonight. We need to get the odds back in our favor.

[MrBug708]

Doh! 2 villagers out so far. Not a good start...

[jeff061]

Heh, well 2-4 villagers to start out is fairly normal and not alarming. It's losing the witness that is a killer.

[pennywisesb]

Did Mr. Wed. give off any signs that he was a seer, or was it just a lucky kill by the mafia?

[jeff061]

Only reason I can see to kill him, other than random, is to give legitimacy to this quote:

Then again... it would be a good cover if a couple of the ringleaders were mafia, no?

Though I don't see how making yourself stand out and drawing votes is a good cover.

[illinifan999]

This is gonna be like a day 1 vote just on day 2.

[SnDvls]

Well we're back to square one again. down 2 with nothing to go on. hopefully someone saw someting last night

[MrBug708]

No real reason to this vote but I need to go and cant miss another day voting.

vote - Aesyrqwe

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Well doing a quick skim by what I said earlier I see Bek, Aesyrqw and Fouts(quietness is a catch-22 ).

Bearcat did not post and did not vote...

I did vote, just didn't realize that I needed to bold my vote.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

I did vote, just didn't realize that I needed to bold my vote.

Which is exactly what a Mafian would say ....

[SackAttack]

Not really sure where to go here. My first thought was that it might have been just a random selection from the group that voted for jeff, and since RealDeal got lynched on the first day, taking out Mr. Wednesday reduces that group to two.

My second thought was, well, wait, no: killing somebody who voted for someone who actually IS a mafioso simply draws attention to their target. So I'd be inclined to think, at least until better information presents itself, that jeff is probably okay.

Just some initial thoughts.

[Bek]

Hey checking in before I'm off to work for the evening...which means im going to miss the vote...so I really have nothing to go off of so I'm going to stick to what I said earlier...and

Vote Blade

And to Jeff...i think ive been pretty talkative too..

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

I did vote, just didn't realize that I needed to bold my vote.

Ah sorry, remembered the post forgot your name.

And to Jeff...i think ive been pretty talkative too..

I wasn't judging on post count.

[Fouts]

Well, just got online and I'm not sure where to vote today. After reviewing the thread, I have no information to go on besides last nights votes. Going to think about it some more.

[Aesyrqwe]

Hmm not much to go on for day two either..

I'll have my vote posted in a little bit, still need some time to think

-Aes

[SnDvls]

still not much to go on, anyone leaning one way or the other. Maybe our newspaper boy could give us a subtle hint

[pennywisesb]

Yeah, right now any information would be greatly appreciated so we don't keep lowering our numbers here villagers....

[illinifan999]

It just sucks that it feels like a day 1 vote except we already lost 2 people.

[pennywisesb]

Another thought, anyone hiding behind the "vote realdeal and then blade" in the first two days would be a candidate to me for being part of the mafia. Since they know who the other mafia members are, and if Blade is actually a villager, it would be a good scheme to hide behind as "trying to get rid of any drama" while taking out two villagers in the process. Just some thoughts though.

[Schmidty]

That sucked.

[Bearcat729]

I have nothing to go on, but I have got to make an official vote, and I doubt that I am going to be around before the end of the voting.

So I Vote SackAttack

[dubb93]

Should add I looked at Pennywise and Ardent strongly, but they both ended up being the lone vote for someone. Which drops them down a peg on my suspicion scale.

I don't think so, it is the perfect way to blend in. No one else that can be linked to them as far as voting patterns go, and it looks like a completely random vote. It really is the perfect way to deflect attention this early on, I always look strongly at the "lone" voters on day one.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

I have nothing to go on, but I have got to make an official vote, and I doubt that I am going to be around before the end of the voting.

So I Vote SackAttack

interesting. I think Sack is actually helping us. Why would you throw a vote his way. I'd guess he's a villager with what he's given us so far. So with that being said.

Vote Bearcat729

[Poli]

I've been hoping someone could give us something to go on. I've been delaying my vote hoping to hear something of substance. I've got flag football coming up at the top of the hour, though I'm not sure we'll hear anything in the next couple of hours.

I'm going to go with blade6119. I really don't have a reason, but no one has come up with anything better thus far.

VOTE Blade6119

[digamma]

I've still got very little to add from a discussion point of view.

No real feeling on anyone thus far.

To be consistent, I'll repeat my vote from yesterday.

Vote Fouts.

I'm definitely able to be persuaded, though.

[illinifan999]

Right now I'm leaning towards bearcat for voting for Sack who seems to be helping, but I'll hold off on an official vote till a little later on to see everyone's views.

[dubb93]

What is the deal with protecting Sack? Am I missing something here? All I can see that he has done to "prove" he is a villager is Vote Realdeal, threaten Bug, say it sucks that Realdeal was just a villager, but that we are probably better of without him(agreed). And not much else. So how exactly is Sack appearing to be a villager. I highly suspect Sack, Illinifan, and Sndvls at this point.

Vote SackAttack

Something just doesn't seem right here.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

My second thought was, well, wait, no: killing somebody who voted for someone who actually IS a mafioso simply draws attention to their target. So I'd be inclined to think, at least until better information presents itself, that jeff is probably okay.

Just some initial thoughts.

this is the info I was basing my "helping us" on. I think both he and jeff are a big help now with what little info we have. That's what makes me want to protect him.

[Fouts]

After thinking on it for awhile, I'm gonna vote for the quietest person in the game. I'll give everyone an hour to start posting some thoughts. How else are we going to target the right person?

Even though we lost a witness, we still have more important roles out there (and maybe another witness). I would suggest you hold your roles close to the vest, we don't want to lose another important role this early.

[jeff061]

I was considering whether or not to vote for you for the same reason, get ya to start yapping .

[dubb93]

I'm leaving my vote on Sack and heading out for the night. I have CPR class from 6-10 so I'll be on then. Hope we get the right guy tonight, whoever that is.

[illinifan999]

It seems pretty suspect that dubb is so eager to get rid of someone who is trying to help, whatever little amount that may be especially since a lot of people are being quiet, myself included because it's pretty much anyone can be a mafia right now. I don't think we should be trying to off people who are helping. I'm really suspicious of that. But dubb is helping by so I don't want to vote him off because we could lose a potentially helpful villager so....

I'm gonna have to vote bearcat

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by dubb93

What is the deal with protecting Sack? Am I missing something here? All I can see that he has done to "prove" he is a villager is Vote Realdeal, threaten Bug, say it sucks that Realdeal was just a villager, but that we are probably better of without him(agreed). And not much else. So how exactly is Sack appearing to be a villager. I highly suspect Sack, Illinifan, and Sndvls at this point.

Vote SackAttack

Something just doesn't seem right here.

You're right in that I haven't done a thing to prove I'm a villager (although I am).

However, for the sake of clarification:

My vote for RealDeal was solely based on the drama going on in Werewolf IX and having no desire to see something similar spill over into my first Werewolf experience.

As for Bug...I've been threatening him for weeks, even before I joined Werewolf. That's more of an inside joke between him and me than anything else.

So your suspicion of me is based on a vote for RD - in which I'm not alone - and my griping at Bug because my Dodgers came perilously close to choking away a 21-game lead.

Pretty flimsy basis for suspecting me of mafia ties.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Pretty flimsy basis for suspecting me of mafia ties.

On the other hand, for whom is there really solid basis for suspicion?

[illinifan999]

I'm gonna back off bearcat, seems like it was just a random vote.

unvote bearcat
vote dubb

He just seems way to focused on getting someone who is trying to help out of the game.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by digamma

On the other hand, for whom is there really solid basis for suspicion?

True, but that's like trying to prove a negative. "I can't prove you aren't one, so I'm going to vote for you."

I have to run off and try to conduct an interview for my journalism class. I hope to be back to read the analysis before the final deadline, and my vote may certainly change between now and then, but in the interests of self-preservation:

Vote Bearcat729.

Nothing personal.

I may be back in 20 minutes, I may be back in 3 hours. Hopefully it'll be somewhere in between.

[jeff061]

Don't believe you should be posting PM's. Generally the mod will yell at you for that .

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Don't believe you should be posting PM's. Generally the mod will yell at you for that .

Sorry. Like I said, first-timer here. Still feeling my way around.

[jeff061]

No problem. I think I was the first one guilty of doing that on FOFC .

[digamma]

In the interests of fairness, can we get a synopsis of the pm posted?

[jeff061]

I'll delete this if Neon asks. But in fairness...

It was a quote of the villager description.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by digamma

In the interests of fairness, can we get a synopsis of the pm posted?

Was just trying to confirm my villagerhood is all. I have no special role of any kind.

[Blade6119]

sackttack is currently leaning towards being a villager in my mind, and bearcat doesnt seem to see it...hence

Vote Bearcat

[SackAttack]

Dola,

My interview attempt was a whiff (the professor's office is next door, but she wasn't in, so I'm around for the duration).

[Fouts]

It has been an hour and the deadline is coming up, so I'm gonna vote for the quietest guy. Assuming the bad guys wanna stay low in the first couple days to avoid suspicion.

I vote Aesyrqwe

Jeez, hard name to type. Is that on purpose?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by dubb93

What is the deal with protecting Sack? Am I missing something here? All I can see that he has done to "prove" he is a villager is Vote Realdeal, threaten Bug, say it sucks that Realdeal was just a villager, but that we are probably better of without him(agreed). And not much else. So how exactly is Sack appearing to be a villager. I highly suspect Sack, Illinifan, and Sndvls at this point.

Vote SackAttack

Something just doesn't seem right here.

I've done some reflecting, and now I'm curious here. You're citing my vote for RealDeal, but after looking at the list, you voted for his lynching as well.

So other than my jibe at Bug, what logical reason exists for you to vote for me?

unvote Bearcat729.

Gonna hold off casting my final vote for a while longer.

[jeff061]

At least we got some discussion going, some of which we can possibly look back at tomorrow.

Not sure who I want to vote for yet.

[Fouts]

It is pretty clear that Sack is a villager. Makes me wonder why people haven't moved their vote off him. And makes me suspicious of them.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Don't believe you should be posting PM's. Generally the mod will yell at you for that .

<rise from the grave>
It's particularly unfair with role-describing PMs in a game which is indicated to have some unrevealed twists. Part of the fun is for there to be a possibility of people faking roles. If you're to prove yourself, you need to use game events, voting, and similar arguments to do it.
<return to the grave>

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Fouts

It is pretty clear that Sack is a villager. Makes me wonder why people haven't moved their vote off him. And makes me suspicious of them.

I appreciate the support.

For whatever it's worth, I believe one or possibly two of them posted earlier that they were AFK for a while, so I don't know if I'd hold that against them without knowing whether they'd change it if they were here to do so.