Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS) - Page 4

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 10:09 AM

I think Chief Rum's question about lynching the king will be important to find out. In the meantime we don't have any meaningful way, I don't think of picking a King today. It's just a craps shoot. That actually makes me think perhaps we can find a way to randomize it. Although I suppose then if the King eventually turns out bad we don't have any data to examine.

RendeR · 06-08-2009, 10:11 AM

I hate one word PM's....

This villager would be fine with Schmidty as King. I don't think the first King will live long simply because I'm betting the wolves will think its kewl to kill the king.

I will not vote Hoops as king, it simply will not happen =)

and I agree with the Lathum - Lithium statement made earlier =)

Anyone else get bourbon faced on shit street this weekend?

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 10:14 AM

Okay, looking back at the rules it seems to make sense to me to jail for the first day at least. First day votes are random, and this gives some chance for the King to get a scan and free a villager or kill a wolf. Seems like the way to go to me.

I guess that the King vote should be based on activity, to my mind. We're probably not going to elect someone like Hoops, since though he'd be good at it he'd be just as good at it as a wolf. So, someone who tends to be around and vocal, but isn't considered dreadfully dangerous. If we don't want to go with the random idea.

Tyrith · 06-08-2009, 10:26 AM

Just so long as we realize that if we send someone to jail day 1, unless we're willing to absolutely use a seer scan in the next day or two on that person, there's a decent chance we're knocking them out of the game for a long time. And if I sat on the bench for four days I don't know how easy it would be for me to get back in gear. Beyond that, I'm fine with it.

claphamsa · 06-08-2009, 10:32 AM

ok, checking in lame he even spelled viilegar wrong!

claphamsa · 06-08-2009, 10:32 AM

vote passacaglia

claphamsa · 06-08-2009, 10:33 AM

vote passacaglia lynhc

lerriuqs · 06-08-2009, 10:43 AM

Checking in - won't be back for a while - I have to work today... *shudders*

Hopefully, there'll be more to go on with regards to a king by then.

hoopsguy · 06-08-2009, 10:49 AM

I'm fine with the jail approach. I'm normally a hard-core "lynch 'em all, we'll sort it out in the end" type but frankly I'm willing to see if I can expand my line of thinking a little bit to better leverage this mechanic.

I think the idea of jailing likely extends the game, which probably favors villagers over wolves.

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 10:55 AM

Checking in -- a little busy today, so I'm going to stay away until I'm done with some stuff.

Tyrith · 06-08-2009, 11:00 AM

Sigh, I'm all dressed up, but there's no one to take to the party :P

claphamsa · 06-08-2009, 11:04 AM

vote tyrinch king
vote jail danny

all votes are random!

hoopsguy · 06-08-2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

So, someone who tends to be around and vocal, but isn't considered dreadfully dangerous.

I'm open for suggestions on who fits this profile that people would like to vote for.

Ideally, I would like to have some kind of a race here rather than an uncontested Schmidty "coronation".

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

vote tyrinch king
vote jail danny

all votes are random!

You already voted to lynch Pass.

Dubb, can you vote to lynch someone and to jail someone or is it one or the other?

claphamsa · 06-08-2009, 11:12 AM

im vocal, but i fails CRs logical post list! and i wont be around at 11 pm

claphamsa · 06-08-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

You already voted to lynch Pass.

Dubb, can you vote to lynch someone and to jail someone or is it one or the other?

oh i thought we were supposed to vote for one of each

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 11:13 AM

lol, everyone's going to ask this question it seems.

WE EITHER LYNCH SOMEONE, OR JAIL SOMEONE TONIGHT, WE HAVE TO PICK.

Passacaglia · 06-08-2009, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm open for suggestions on who fits this profile that people would like to vote for.

Ideally, I would like to have some kind of a race here rather than an uncontested Schmidty "coronation".

popping in to agree with this -- not only uncontested, but I don't think Schmidty really fits those characteristics.

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Okay, looking back at the rules it seems to make sense to me to jail for the first day at least. First day votes are random, and this gives some chance for the King to get a scan and free a villager or kill a wolf. Seems like the way to go to me.
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The only problem is the seer can't scan someone in prison and the King only has a 20% chance of discovering their auroa, so it isn't a very high percentage chance of a clear.

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 11:16 AM

Vote USFLTechmo king

the last few games he has been pretty quiet, I thik this gives him a chance to step up.

Tyrith · 06-08-2009, 11:17 AM

Oh, I didn't realize the seer/jail bit. Yeah, I can see chucking someone in jail day 1 just to get the king ability in play...but we have to realize that is going to be taking someone out of the game, realistically.

claphamsa · 06-08-2009, 11:18 AM

unvote jail danny

sorry bout that!

Danny · 06-08-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

unvote jail danny

sorry bout that!

You can come over and fix the broken pieces to my heart!

claphamsa · 06-08-2009, 11:29 AM

you live too far away! damn west coasters!

Danny · 06-08-2009, 11:34 AM

As for the jail/vs lynch thing, on day 1 especially I think a jail might be ok as it does lengthen the game. I'm going to reread the mechanic now though.

Danny · 06-08-2009, 11:36 AM

The king will have a 20% chance to learn someones allegiance each night. I'm assuming this will stack, so if there are four prisoners, the king has a 20% chance of learning each one?

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Vote jail BK

I think jailing is the way to go today. If the King can clear BK then we release him and make him the next King since as a villager I think BK would do a great job of it.

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

The only problem is the seer can't scan someone in prison and the King only has a 20% chance of discovering their auroa, so it isn't a very high percentage chance of a clear.

No, but in a normal game with a normal lynch there's 0% chance of recovering from a day 1 mistake. At least this way there's some chance of getting information, and even the chance of releasing a villager back into the game. It seems to me that unless we know we're lynching a wolf, the advantage is mostly to us to jail.

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I don't think we should commit to anyone this far ahead of time.

I disagree, I think when it comes to something like this we at least need to start thinking it through.

Danny · 06-08-2009, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

The only problem is the seer can't scan someone in prison and the King only has a 20% chance of discovering their auroa, so it isn't a very high percentage chance of a clear.

I reread this, the seer can scan players inside the jail.

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

No, but in a normal game with a normal lynch there's 0% chance of recovering from a day 1 mistake. At least this way there's some chance of getting information, and even the chance of releasing a villager back into the game. It seems to me that unless we know we're lynching a wolf, the advantage is mostly to us to jail.

I agree. I never said we shouldn't put someone in jail.

not sure where you misunderstood me. Thats why I voted BK for jail.

Tyrith · 06-08-2009, 11:45 AM

Ah, okay. That makes jail a much better approach.

hoopsguy · 06-08-2009, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I reread this, the seer can scan players inside the jail.

This is a critical point. Otherwise, if we initially elect a wolf King then he can clear another one later and set up the succession plan (see Dubb clearing Saldana last game) and really put us behind.

The seer should give strong consideration to scanning people in jail in order to potentially neutralize this risk.

Tyrith · 06-08-2009, 11:47 AM

I've got to go meetings for the next several hours, I'll be back late afternoon or so. I'm going to sit on my votes for now.

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 11:48 AM

hmm, I could have sworn it said you can't scan players in prison

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 11:50 AM

ok, so I think thats all the more reason to jail BK. Seer scan him, BG protect him, elect him King tomorrow.

Can we elect a new king while the old king is still in power, or do we HAVE to lynch the old king?

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

hmm, I could have sworn it said you can't scan players in prison

Maybe it was that the seer can't scan from prison.

Telle · 06-08-2009, 11:51 AM

Villager checking in.

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I agree. I never said we shouldn't put someone in jail.

not sure where you misunderstood me. Thats why I voted BK for jail.

You pointed out a flaw in the jail idea, I pointed out that I thought it wasn't all that bad. I don't think there's any misunderstanding.

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

You pointed out a flaw in the jail idea, I pointed out that I thought it wasn't all that bad. I don't think there's any misunderstanding.

20% isn't all that good, and of course the odds are we kill a villager.

Plus at the time I was under the impression the seer couldn't scan a prisoner.

Danny · 06-08-2009, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

ok, so I think thats all the more reason to jail BK. Seer scan him, BG protect him, elect him King tomorrow and then watch wolves kill him.

Added the inevitable part of your plan.

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 11:58 AM

The more I think about it I think the longer we go around and around about King candidates, the more likely we'll get pushed by the wolves into something. I'm goign to go with the very first candidate. At least we've got a clear protagonist in BK in that case and can keep things simple. As people have pointed out, Kings may not last long anyway, I don't want to overthink this.

Vote Schmidty King

(You don't vote for kings. Well how'd you become king then?)

Autumn · 06-08-2009, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

20% isn't all that good, and of course the odds are we kill a villager..

But to be clear, the alternative is to kill the villager forever. So a 20% chance at clearing them and bringing them back is a lot better, right?

USFLTecmo · 06-08-2009, 11:59 AM

All for the jailing idea today.

I'm all for being king, but FYI, I'm not around at deadline tonight. If that means I make a better later king, I can work with that, too.

dubb93 · 06-08-2009, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Come to think of it, question for dubb:

If we succesfully elect a king, and then lynch him, do we suffer the dire consequences?

No, you are free to lynch your king and the king is powerless to stop a rebellion. If the people feel it is time for the king to go, the king must go. The dire consequences would only come into play if there was a failed king election.

dubb93 · 06-08-2009, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

The king will have a 20% chance to learn someones allegiance each night. I'm assuming this will stack, so if there are four prisoners, the king has a 20% chance of learning each one?

Yes, if there are four prisoners you have a 20% chance towards each one. There is no limit on how many auras may be revealed to a king on any given night. If there are 10 players in jail and the king gets the good dice rolls he could learn all 10 auras that night.

dubb93 · 06-08-2009, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Can we elect a new king while the old king is still in power, or do we HAVE to lynch the old king?

Once a king is elected he is king for life.

dubb93 · 06-08-2009, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Just so long as we realize that if we send someone to jail day 1, unless we're willing to absolutely use a seer scan in the next day or two on that person, there's a decent chance we're knocking them out of the game for a long time. And if I sat on the bench for four days I don't know how easy it would be for me to get back in gear. Beyond that, I'm fine with it.

Keep in mind players in jail still have a night action ability to write a letter to the village. There may be other unknown mechanics at work while in jail as well.

DaddyTorgo · 06-08-2009, 12:19 PM

Hey all - my day is fairly congested today until like 2:45 or 3pm but hopefully opens up significantly then.

I'll have to catch up on everything then. Please don't write like 10 pages between now and then.

Lathum · 06-08-2009, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Added the inevitable part of your plan.

So what's your point?

The wolves can attempt to kill whoever is King.

06-08-2009, 10:11 AM	#152
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I hate one word PM's.... This villager would be fine with Schmidty as King. I don't think the first King will live long simply because I'm betting the wolves will think its kewl to kill the king. I will not vote Hoops as king, it simply will not happen =) and I agree with the Lathum - Lithium statement made earlier =) Anyone else get bourbon faced on shit street this weekend? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

06-08-2009, 10:32 AM	#155
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	ok, checking in lame he even spelled viilegar wrong! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

06-08-2009, 10:32 AM	#156
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	vote passacaglia __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

06-08-2009, 10:33 AM	#157
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	vote passacaglia lynhc __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

06-08-2009, 11:04 AM	#162
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	vote tyrinch king vote jail danny all votes are random! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

06-08-2009, 10:09 AM	#151
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I think Chief Rum's question about lynching the king will be important to find out. In the meantime we don't have any meaningful way, I don't think of picking a King today. It's just a craps shoot. That actually makes me think perhaps we can find a way to randomize it. Although I suppose then if the King eventually turns out bad we don't have any data to examine.

06-08-2009, 10:14 AM	#153
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Okay, looking back at the rules it seems to make sense to me to jail for the first day at least. First day votes are random, and this gives some chance for the King to get a scan and free a villager or kill a wolf. Seems like the way to go to me. I guess that the King vote should be based on activity, to my mind. We're probably not going to elect someone like Hoops, since though he'd be good at it he'd be just as good at it as a wolf. So, someone who tends to be around and vocal, but isn't considered dreadfully dangerous. If we don't want to go with the random idea.

06-08-2009, 10:26 AM	#154
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Just so long as we realize that if we send someone to jail day 1, unless we're willing to absolutely use a seer scan in the next day or two on that person, there's a decent chance we're knocking them out of the game for a long time. And if I sat on the bench for four days I don't know how easy it would be for me to get back in gear. Beyond that, I'm fine with it.

06-08-2009, 10:43 AM	#158
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	Checking in - won't be back for a while - I have to work today... shudders Hopefully, there'll be more to go on with regards to a king by then.

06-08-2009, 10:49 AM	#159
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm fine with the jail approach. I'm normally a hard-core "lynch 'em all, we'll sort it out in the end" type but frankly I'm willing to see if I can expand my line of thinking a little bit to better leverage this mechanic. I think the idea of jailing likely extends the game, which probably favors villagers over wolves.

06-08-2009, 10:55 AM	#160
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Checking in -- a little busy today, so I'm going to stay away until I'm done with some stuff.

06-08-2009, 11:00 AM	#161
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Sigh, I'm all dressed up, but there's no one to take to the party :P

06-08-2009, 11:12 AM	#165
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	im vocal, but i fails CRs logical post list! and i wont be around at 11 pm __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

06-08-2009, 11:13 AM	#167
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	lol, everyone's going to ask this question it seems. WE EITHER LYNCH SOMEONE, OR JAIL SOMEONE TONIGHT, WE HAVE TO PICK.

06-08-2009, 11:16 AM	#170
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Vote USFLTechmo king the last few games he has been pretty quiet, I thik this gives him a chance to step up.

06-08-2009, 11:17 AM	#171
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Oh, I didn't realize the seer/jail bit. Yeah, I can see chucking someone in jail day 1 just to get the king ability in play...but we have to realize that is going to be taking someone out of the game, realistically.

06-08-2009, 11:18 AM	#172
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	unvote jail danny sorry bout that! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

06-08-2009, 11:29 AM	#174
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	you live too far away! damn west coasters! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

06-08-2009, 11:34 AM	#175
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	As for the jail/vs lynch thing, on day 1 especially I think a jail might be ok as it does lengthen the game. I'm going to reread the mechanic now though.

06-08-2009, 11:36 AM	#176
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	The king will have a 20% chance to learn someones allegiance each night. I'm assuming this will stack, so if there are four prisoners, the king has a 20% chance of learning each one?

06-08-2009, 11:42 AM	#177
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Vote jail BK I think jailing is the way to go today. If the King can clear BK then we release him and make him the next King since as a villager I think BK would do a great job of it.

06-08-2009, 11:45 AM	#182
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Ah, okay. That makes jail a much better approach.

06-08-2009, 11:47 AM	#184
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	I've got to go meetings for the next several hours, I'll be back late afternoon or so. I'm going to sit on my votes for now.

06-08-2009, 11:48 AM	#185
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	hmm, I could have sworn it said you can't scan players in prison

06-08-2009, 11:50 AM	#186
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	ok, so I think thats all the more reason to jail BK. Seer scan him, BG protect him, elect him King tomorrow. Can we elect a new king while the old king is still in power, or do we HAVE to lynch the old king?

06-08-2009, 11:51 AM	#188
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Villager checking in.

06-08-2009, 11:58 AM	#192
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	The more I think about it I think the longer we go around and around about King candidates, the more likely we'll get pushed by the wolves into something. I'm goign to go with the very first candidate. At least we've got a clear protagonist in BK in that case and can keep things simple. As people have pointed out, Kings may not last long anyway, I don't want to overthink this. Vote Schmidty King (You don't vote for kings. Well how'd you become king then?)

06-08-2009, 11:59 AM	#194
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	All for the jailing idea today. I'm all for being king, but FYI, I'm not around at deadline tonight. If that means I make a better later king, I can work with that, too.

06-08-2009, 12:19 PM	#199
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Hey all - my day is fairly congested today until like 2:45 or 3pm but hopefully opens up significantly then. I'll have to catch up on everything then. Please don't write like 10 pages between now and then. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

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