Who wins House Speaker?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Atocep

If it pushes the GOP to Dems to finally elect a speaker, which I think it might, then it's a fail for Gaetz. He loses all power to create chaos at that point.

I don't think it will, but even if it does it would not be considered a loss by Gaetz. He will just use that as more fuel to fund-raise. The MAGAt's will use it as ammo to primary out more moderates from the party. Also, McCarthy is out and much of this really comes down to personal hate.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by bronconick

This was the worst defeat for a Jordan since Game 7 of the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals.

well played

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't think it will, but even if it does it would not be considered a loss by Gaetz. He will just use that as more fuel to fund-raise. The MAGAt's will use it as ammo to primary out more moderates from the party. Also, McCarthy is out and much of this really comes down to personal hate.

It is wild that the house GOP went from talk about expelling Gaetz from their conference to supporting his preferred candidate in 2 weeks.

[GrantDawg]

Lol.

DANA BASH: Do you really want Tom Emmer to be speaker?

KEN BUCK: No, I don't. I don't like Tom Emmer. pic.twitter.com/i2lna4BRN9

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 17, 2023

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Lol.

DANA BASH: Do you really want Tom Emmer to be speaker?

KEN BUCK: No, I don't. I don't like Tom Emmer. pic.twitter.com/i2lna4BRN9

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 17, 2023

Nikki Haley tried to blame Dems on Fox a couple of days ago as well and she had to transition to inflation, etc after she got pushback from the host.

[Ksyrup]

It is hard to believe that 30 years later, Beavis and Butthead essentially run the GOP.

[CrimsonFox]

Is emmer a moderate?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Is emmer a moderate?

He isn't an election denier, so he is a radical liberal according to MAGA people.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

He isn't an election denier, so he is a radical liberal according to MAGA people.

election denier? so...that means he thinks the election never happened...or?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

election denier? so...that means he thinks the election never happened...or?

He certified the last election. He is NOT an election denier.

[Edward64]

Second vote supposedly tonight but no time set per CNN.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Second vote supposedly tonight but no time set per CNN.

Supposed to be targeting a 6pm est start.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Supposed to be targeting a 6pm est start.

Can’t wait.

Hoping for Jordan to lose ground so we can have another couple days of excitement!

[cartman]

is there a better current example of the Peter Principle than Jim Jordan? Has been in the House since 2006, has exactly ZERO proposed bills signed into law in that time, and now is moving towards being Speaker of the House, and 3rd in line for the Presidency.

[GrantDawg]

Speaker vote delayed till tomorrow. Look like Jordan not gaining any ground with the hold-outs.

[CrimsonFox]

i thought some that voted yes said if it went to a second vote, they'd vote no

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by cartman

is there a better current example of the Peter Principle than Jim Jordan? Has been in the House since 2006, has exactly ZERO proposed bills signed into law in that time, and now is moving towards being Speaker of the House, and 3rd in line for the Presidency.

He doesn't even have a bill that made it out of committee.

[Edward64]

McHenry is mentioned a couple times in the article as a possible consensus candidate. No idea what he's about (or his odds) but Jeffries seems to think the Dems can work with him, so I'll call him a moderate.

Jim Jordan scrambles for votes after 20 GOP defections imperil his speaker bid | CNN Politics

“I think now we’re gonna have to find a consensus candidate,” he said, adding: “I kind of like Patrick McHenry.”

Jeffries said he was open to further empowering interim speaker Patrick McHenry, a North Carolina Republican.

“Our focus right now relates not just to any one individual, but to getting the institution reopened. I have respect for Patrick McHenry. I think he is respected on our side of the aisle. There are a whole host of other Republicans who are respected on our side of the aisle. Jim Jordan is not one of them,” he said.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

McHenry is mentioned a couple times in the article as a possible consensus candidate. No idea what he's about (or his odds) but Jeffries seems to think the Dems can work with him, so I'll call him a moderate.

Jim Jordan scrambles for votes after 20 GOP defections imperil his speaker bid | CNN Politics

I think he is mostly acceptable because they would agree to give him limited Speaker power. The limits might be the sticking points.

[CrimsonFox]

I vote grantdawg as a dark horse speaker candidate. He's got the popularity. He's got the abs

[RainMaker]

McHenry is probably as boring as you'll get today which makes him an attractive choice I guess. But the guy has some wild skeletons in his closet from his early days. I just don't see how the party that is attacking LGBT stuff is going to make a guy who lived with a bunch of male aides back in the day their Speaker. McHenry being in the closet is kind of an open secret.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

McHenry is probably as boring as you'll get today which makes him an attractive choice I guess. But the guy has some wild skeletons in his closet from his early days. I just don't see how the party that is attacking LGBT stuff is going to make a guy who lived with a bunch of male aides back in the day their Speaker. McHenry being in the closet is kind of an open secret.

They certainly love Lindsey. Him and Tim Scott both being Senators from South Carolina is wild. They definitely have a type there.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I vote grantdawg as a dark horse speaker candidate. He's got the popularity. He's got the abs

I have one giant ab.

[CrimsonFox]

Here's where the non jordan reps voted:

Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) — voted for Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)

Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO) — voted for Tom Emmer (R-MN)

Rep. Lori Chavez-DeRemer (R-OR) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. Anthony D’Esposito (R-NY) — voted for former New York Republican Rep. Lee Zeldin

Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL) — voted for House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LA)

Rep. Jake Ellzey (R-TX) — voted for Rep. Mike Garcia (R-CA)

Rep. Andrew Garbarino (R-NY) — voted for Zeldin

Rep. Carlos Giminez (R-FL) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. Tony Gonzalez (R-TX) — voted for Scalise
Rep. Kay Granger (R-TX) — voted for Scalise
Rep. Mike Kelly (R-PA) — voted for Scalise

Rep. Jen Kiggans (R-VA) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. Nick LaLota (R-NY) — voted for Zeldin

Rep. Mike Lawler (R-NY) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. John Rutherford (R-FL) — voted for Scalise

Rep. Mike Simpson (R-ID) — voted for Scalise

Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) — voted for Scalise

Rep. John James (R-MI) — voted for Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK)

Rep. Doug LaMalfa (R-CA) — voted for McCarthy

Rep. Victoria Spartz (R-IN) — voted for Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY)

[GrantDawg]

It is a Speakership campaign by "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"

A source familiar tells me the “Jordan team is trying to do damage control after leaking the Scalise meeting. The leak backfired with Scalise loyalists.”

— Juliegrace Brufke (@juliegraceb) October 17, 2023

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It is a Speakership campaign by "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"

A source familiar tells me the “Jordan team is trying to do damage control after leaking the Scalise meeting. The leak backfired with Scalise loyalists.”

— Juliegrace Brufke (@juliegraceb) October 17, 2023

Reports are that Jordan is asking if they can Gerrymander the speakership vote.

[GrantDawg]

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— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) October 18, 2023

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They certainly love Lindsey. Him and Tim Scott both being Senators from South Carolina is wild. They definitely have a type there.

We gays love South Carolina yes but not our Senators

[JPhillips]

Amazing that there is not a single GOPer who can count votes.

[miami_fan]

Do we know if Jordan has made any concessions in order to garner votes? Do the rules remain the same as they were under McCarthy?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Do we know if Jordan has made any concessions in order to garner votes? Do the rules remain the same as they were under McCarthy?

The first part, my understanding he is mostly making vague promises. Like "I understand I will to work with people on "X"." Without specifically promising direct details. He has mostly been bullying people.
The second, there has been no suggestion of changes to the rules, but Matt Gaetz who originally worked for those rules has said they would be not needed if Jordan was speaker.

[Edward64]

I'm rooting for McHenry now. Even if it's a temporary increase of powers, it will embolden the anti-Jordan crowd to stick with it.

I am surprise that Jordan wants to propose the question.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-23/index.html

GOP speaker designate Jim Jordan said he wants to put two measures to a vote this morning: electing him as speaker and whether more power should be given to interim Speaker Patrick McHenry.

“I think we gotta decide today, are we going to have a Republican speaker or … is the body going to adopt this resolution with the speaker pro tem,” he said. “I think both questions should be called. Let’s get an answer.”

He added on the resolution to empower McHenry: “I told leadership to call the question.”

[Ksyrup]

I'm reading that a moderate is nominating Jordan so I take that as a bad sign. Kinzinger tweeted that the guy was the last person he expected to nominate Jordan.

[GrantDawg]

But the vote is still not going his way. The other problem is McHenry is saying he won't accept greater powers.

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

But the vote is still not going his way. The other problem is McHenry is saying he won't accept greater powers.

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After round 8, he will

[Ksyrup]

Pleasantly surprised. The opposition grew by 2.

[Ksyrup]

I do appreciate these people painting themselves into a corner publicly. I think they are doing it mostly so they don't eventually convince themselves to change course. Not that saying one thing and doing another has ever stopped anyone.

Jordan holdout @rep_stevewomack says opposition is dug in on principle, doesn’t want anything from him. In other words, nothing for Jordan to negotiate @agripulse

— Philip Brasher (@PhilipBrasher) October 18, 2023

[albionmoonlight]

Jordan isn't a deal maker.

When Someone like McConnell or McCarthy or Schumer or Pelosi or Biden needs votes, they make deals. They offer things. That's how concessions get made.

Jordan's whole thing is that he's not part of the establishment deal-making wing of the party. He has "Vote for me or else!" And if that doesn't work . . . where do you go from there?

Being intractable has its advantages. If people know that you won't negotiate, then you have them at a bit of an advantage. They pretty much have to meet you where you are as their opening move.

The problem, of course, is when they don't.

[Thomkal]

Yes that laughter you are hearing is mine. I look forward to the next laughingstock they are going to nominate.

[CrimsonFox]

STOP HOLDING THE COUNTRY HOSTAGE BY NOT VOTING MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bronconick]

It's going to go on forever because the Freedom Caucus having had their choice torpedoed, is going to block everyone else unless others cut a deal with moderate Dems. And that will get anyone who does that primaried next year.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by bronconick

It's going to go on forever because the Freedom Caucus having had their choice torpedoed, is going to block everyone else unless others cut a deal with moderate Dems. And that will get anyone who does that primaried next year.

who was the idiots' choice again?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Pleasantly surprised. The opposition grew by 2.

They gained 2 but lost 4!

one of the two was even someone who didn't bother showing up the first time

[CrimsonFox]

tomorrow's news: Jeffries courts the moderates and cuts a deal and wins the speakership!

[Atocep]

NEWS: Some of Jim Jordan's opponents tell me they've been purposely staggering their "no" votes over multiple ballots -- a strategy designed to show Jordan's speakership opposition is only growing.

And that's why they tell me Jordan will bleed even more support on a third ballot

— Melanie Zanona (@MZanona) October 18, 2023

[kingfc22]

Jim Jordan getting egg all over his face. Hate to see it

[GrantDawg]

TAX NEWS: Jordan Negotiates on SALT in Attempt to Win Over NY Republicans https://t.co/bMZdpaQASM

— Erik Wasson (@elwasson) October 18, 2023

[GrantDawg]

He has having to grovel now.

[Thomkal]

So yes its Dems fault for unifying behind their nominee for House Speaker and not your own party for not nominating behind yours....




https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1714715528906903563

[GrantDawg]

From Bluesky. Lol.

Comms director for Rep. Don BEYER (D-VA), @fritschner.bsky.social, tweets: We've had multiple callers mistakenly call @RepDonBeyer's office in the last few minutes trying to yell at @DonJBacon for his vote in the Speaker's election, sending our best wishes to the folks in his office at this time