Jan 2006 LOL...Wie misses the cut AGAIN!!!

[Huckleberry]

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2888308

Poor WrongWay. He could have had a field day with this one.

[albionmoonlight]

What better?

WrongWay posting ability or Wie golf ability?

OK. Thanks.

[stevew]

typical wie choke in the first round.

[albionmoonlight]

I love this thread.

[stevew]

I love it as well. I think we should merge this one and the Elmo one together.

Dec 2005 LOL....Wie misses out on Elmo Fever AGAIN!!!!!

Would be the ultimate thread.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Dec 2005 LOL....Wie misses out on Elmo Fever AGAIN!!!!! But looking good in preseason in patriotic undies

Fixed.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Fixed.

err, I meant the all encompassing WrongWay thread, but yours works too.

[Senator]

If loving Wie is WrongWay, I don't want to be right.

Hey oh.

[Easy Mac]

I should have gone out there and heckled her for WrongWay. Every errant tee shot, I could have yelled WIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[SFL Cat]

Never understood this dude's thing about Wie. Did she dump him or something?

[dawgfan]

Just saw this quote from Wie's swing coach, and I have to admit my mind was completely in the gutter after reading it:

“It’s not the cocking of the wrists on the backswing, it’s the contact with the turf where she’s been a little protective with,” said her coach, David Leadbetter, who has been working with Wie via video sent over the Internet. “She likes to go at it hard and comes down at a steeper angle than the other girls.”

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Just saw this quote from Wie's swing coach, and I have to admit my mind was completely in the gutter after reading it:

Thanks for throwing me in the gutter with you.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

Thanks for throwing me in the gutter with you.

No problem - I figured others might get a chuckle out of it...

[bulletsponge]

am i going to jail now?

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Senator

If loving Wie is WrongWay, I don't want to be right.

Hey oh.

Faithless?

[k0ruptr]

In her first tourney of the LPGA season, through 14 holes shes currently all alone in 1st place at -4

i probably just jinxed her tho.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

In her first tourney of the LPGA season, through 14 holes shes currently all alone in 1st place at -4

i probably just jinxed her tho.

She's still a very talented player and amazingly, she's only 18. It's hard to say she'll win after leading on the first day, but..I'll be happy for her if taking off some time, going to college and getting off the whirlwind she was on for a while has helped her regain her focus and get back to playing top-tier golf.

[k0ruptr]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

She's still a very talented player and amazingly, she's only 18. It's hard to say she'll win after leading on the first day, but..I'll be happy for her if taking off some time, going to college and getting off the whirlwind she was on for a while has helped her regain her focus and get back to playing top-tier golf.

yea, I agree, hopefully she finishes today off strong. the thing i noticed though,was the good LPGA golfers have yet to tee off today. so her -4 might not mean much at the end of the day.

[k0ruptr]

lol next hole bogey.

[Young Drachma]

She won't win, but the point is just that at least she's back to women's golf and trying to be respectable. All she needed maybe was getting rid of parents off her back, going to Stanford and a little peace from the paparazzi.

[k0ruptr]

yes hopefully she just plays a respectable tourney and gains some confidence back.

[Suburban Rhythm]

With all the name changes going on, I thought someone would alter their's to WrongWay just to post this.

http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/...824638,00.html

Wie DQ'd on the brink of first LPGA win

[Easy Mac]

seriously, signing score cards is the dumbest rule in golf.

[miked]

Yeah, in this day and age it seems about as useful as a pitcher turning his line to the official scorer after a game.

[PackerFanatic]

I think it is a little harsh to DQ her for forgetting that, but seriously, how the hell hard is it to sign your scorecard? It something she has to do ALL THE TIME!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I think it is a little harsh to DQ her for forgetting that, but seriously, how the hell hard is it to sign your scorecard? It something she has to do ALL THE TIME!

On the other hand, how hard is it to do something about it BEFORE she plays her next round?

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

On the other hand, how hard is it to do something about it BEFORE she plays her next round?

That too - from the little I heard about it, she didn't find out she was DQ'd until after she played her next round, right?

Oh wow, and I just skimmed the article and apparently she "walked outside the scoring tent", but then was flagged down by volunteers that she forgot, so she went back and signed it. But apparently that wasn't good enough. That is just plain bogus.

[RPI-Fan]

LPGA tour was finally building up some decent momentum this year with other good young players, the Sorenstam farewell tour, and of course the Wie story, and they go and take several HUGE steps back by pulling a stunt like this. What a joke.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yeah, it's just terrible isn't it?

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to {gasp} actually, you know, enforce the rules

[Zelig]

WRONGWAY! WRONGWAY! WRONGWAY!

[BrianD]

First, I think this is crappy sensationalist journalism to call 2nd place in a golf tournament with a whole round to go being on the brink of a championship. Getting DQ'd walking up to the 18th on Sunday while in the lead would be the brink of a championship. She may have been in good position, but they are over dramatizing the event.

Second, this is a very old and well-understood rule. There is no gray area. There is no selective prosecution. You finish your round, verify your scorecard is correct, and sign your card. You can't pick which rules to enforce.

Third, the fact that scoring is still done by the players on the honor system seems wrong. Players can now be DQ'd because someone on TV saw an infraction and called it in. It just seems like each golfer or each pair should have an official scorer who handles this part of the game. When you've got this much money on the line, the golfers shouldn't have to interpret a rule to know if they need to assess themselves another stroke with the penalty for getting it wrong be a total DQ.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, it's just terrible isn't it?

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to {gasp} actually, you know, enforce the rules

Do you really mean golf, or do you mean the PGA? I've never signed a scorecard anytime I've golfed -- the rule doesn't seem that fundamental to golf from where I'm sitting.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system.

I'm really not well informed on this subject, and willing to admit it.

Is the rule that you must sign your card before leaving the tent, rather than a few seconds later really an ancient and fundamental rule? To me, that seems like the point that intuitively sounds pretty rough. Had she never attested to her score at all, I could see the essential argument. If it's just a matter of a 30 second delay... it's tough for me to see the gravity of the offense, and I'm sure plenty of people will share that.

I realize I'm (sort of) asking the wrong guy a "letter of the law" question, but to me that's the heart of the matter.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Damn kid...probably too busy texting on her phone to remember to sign the card.

But honestly, whoever said earlier sensational journalism, spot on. If this was ANYONE else on the LPGA, not even a story.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

LPGA, not even a story.

Well, that's generally true, too.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, it's just terrible isn't it?

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to {gasp} actually, you know, enforce the rules

We should probably play with leather helmets also. While requiring players to keep their own scores and sign score cards was an important feature when there weren't television cameras or tournament officials on every hole with every pairing, it now seems to be just a vestige of the past with no real function or purpose.

I realize I'm stepping out of the debate on how the rule was applied in this case and into a more general debate as to whether the rule should be more fundamentally reviewed by the relevant tours.

[Noop]

She should change her last name to Wii, it will sound the same but atleast she can get Nintendo to sponsor her, then she can get some lips for her mouth.

[Suburban Rhythm]

While we are at it, if we are removing some of these archaic rules, can we get rid of the funny golf pants too?

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Is the rule that you must sign your card before leaving the tent, rather than a few seconds later really an ancient and fundamental rule? To me, that seems like the point that intuitively sounds pretty rough. Had she never attested to her score at all, I could see the essential argument. If it's just a matter of a 30 second delay... it's tough for me to see the gravity of the offense, and I'm sure plenty of people will share that.

A+

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

But honestly, whoever said earlier sensational journalism, spot on. If this was ANYONE else on the LPGA, not even a story.

I agree with that. There are a lot of sour grapes about her on the LPGA. She's the highest paid woman golfer, simply because Nike decided to pay her that way...and so, the rest of them don't like her. It is an old rule. But after reading the story, it's bogus and yet, not even a little surprising to me.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, it's just terrible isn't it?

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to {gasp} actually, you know, enforce the rules

yeah, you know there was a time when the forward pass was illegeal in football. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to let quarterbacks throw the ball 40 yards downfield.

[Ryan S]

Regardless of whether or not we agree with the rule, it is inexcusable for any professional golfer to forget to sign their card.

At every level of competitive golf the penalty is disqualification, and every single player in the field knows this.

You can't blame the LPGA tour for this. They did not make up the rules.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Ryan S

Regardless of whether or not we agree with the rule, it is inexcusable for any professional golfer to forget to sign their card.

At every level of competitive golf the penalty is disqualification, and every single player in the field knows this.

You can't blame the LPGA tour for this. They did not make up the rules.

I agree with the first 2/3. Wie should know better, and the fact that she made a funamental mental error is indicative of a lot of things w have seen from her so far in her young life. She has the physical skills to be a great player and assuming she didn't buy her way into Stanford, she's intelligent. Is it bad luck, lack of attention, bad caddying or just being 18 that has lead to two DQs from scoring card errors already.

However, the LPGA does deserve some blame. It took them 24 hours to figure this out, and then they didn't tell her until after her round was over? Tournament people obviously knew this was an issue Friday.

That said, let's take a look at the rule:

Originally Posted by Rules of Golf

6-6. Scoring in Stroke Play
• b. Signing and Returning Card
After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee. He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 6-6b:
Disqualification.

I don't seen anything about a tent or ropes or anything else in the rule. The only thing I see is "as soon as possible." So does that mean if you walk out of the trailer you're DQ? What if you stop and go to the bathroom after walking off 18, or stop and grab a drink? What's the definition of "as soon as possible," other than you apparently can't leave the scoring tent/trailer? That seems ambiguous at best.

I imagine that had some not stopper her and said she didn't sign the card she wouldn't have remembered, so it's still an issue. From what I've read and heard in the past, doublechecking to make sure the card is signed correctly is another job of the caddy -- where was her caddy?

I'm still rooting for her, although I wish her head was a little bit more together.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

While we are at it, if we are removing some of these archaic rules, can we get rid of the funny golf pants too?

I really rooted hard against Ian Poulter today because he's a d-bag but also because of those horrible pink pants.

[JPhillips]

She should have known better, but the rule is ridiculous. What would be the reaction if Eli Manning forgot to sign the Super Bowl scorecard and the Giants had to forfeit the game? With tournament officials on every hole there's no reason to still enforce this rule.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I'm still rooting for her, although I wish her head was a little bit more together.

Yeah, this is how I feel about the matter. She's clearly got the wrong people around her, still. But then, she's poured through caddies for ages and I'm not sure if her mental toughness is where it needs to be. Then again, these sets of experiences will either make her rebound like a tour de force down the road or will cause her to spreading it in some B-list magazine down the road.

[larrymcg421]

I agree that the rule is ridiculous, but if it is the correct ruling, then the answer isn't to ignore it, it is to change it for the future.

However, I'm still not convinced this was handled appropriately. According to the citation of the rules that was presented in this thread, I don't see how leaving the tent should disqualify you. If it was so clear cut and known that you can't do that, then I doubt anyone would have run after her, much less let her sign it when she came back in. She shouldn't have even been able to retreive her scorecard. This was handled about as badly as possible by the LPGA.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

She should have known better, but the rule is ridiculous. What would be the reaction if Eli Manning forgot to sign the Super Bowl scorecard and the Giants had to forfeit the game? With tournament officials on every hole there's no reason to still enforce this rule.

Pointless analogy. There is not rule about signing scorecards in the Super Bowl so asking about the reaction is meaningless. Part two is also wrong. You can't just decide a rule is stupid and stop enforcing it. You can decide a rule is stupid and get it taken off the books though. Ever year there are at least a couple of people that get DQ'd for scorecard infractions. This isn't a technicality pulled out just to penalize Wie. I agree that the rule is stupid, but it is on the books and everybody plays by the rule. Play by the rule or try to get it changed. Those are the only available options I see.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Pointless analogy. There is not rule about signing scorecards in the Super Bowl so asking about the reaction is meaningless. Part two is also wrong. You can't just decide a rule is stupid and stop enforcing it. You can decide a rule is stupid and get it taken off the books though. Ever year there are at least a couple of people that get DQ'd for scorecard infractions. This isn't a technicality pulled out just to penalize Wie. I agree that the rule is stupid, but it is on the books and everybody plays by the rule. Play by the rule or try to get it changed. Those are the only available options I see.

Probably correct but the ruling bodies have to ask themselves how much they want to expand their viewership. I watch golf rarely but people like Woods and Wie are the draws and incidents like this convince me not to bother. I don't like events where it's settled by the lawyers and not the contestants. Had she been cheating that would be one thing but since this had zero to do with golf, it convinces me not to bother.

It all boils down to how insular the sport wants to be. If it wants to be for the elitists who already watch it then good job. If it wants to appeal to the masses, not so much. Since people like myself only watch once in a while, it's hard to call us to arms to fix a fundamental flaw in the system.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Probably correct but the ruling bodies have to ask themselves how much they want to expand their viewership. I watch golf rarely but people like Woods and Wie are the draws and incidents like this convince me not to bother. I don't like events where it's settled by the lawyers and not the contestants. Had she been cheating that would be one thing but since this had zero to do with golf, it convinces me not to bother.

It all boils down to how insular the sport wants to be. If it wants to be for the elitists who already watch it then good job. If it wants to appeal to the masses, not so much. Since people like myself only watch once in a while, it's hard to call us to arms to fix a fundamental flaw in the system.

This is why I am all for changing the rule. I don't believe it serves a purpose in this day and age. A situation like this can serve to point out how silly the rule is, but I'm not willing to go so far as to say the rule should be ignored. In fact, it would be irresponsible to ignore the rule since other have gotten bit by it.