Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

My vote is 1 AP but like I said, it is likely to change.

This is exactly why trying to keep track of the AP's won't work. First off, everyone can change their minds at any time and secondly, we'll never know how many actually got used because thats all privately sent to Alan.

Frustrating.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm not really sure if we can legitimaly claim how many points we are using to vote.

This may have been mentioned but since everybody has an individual action as well I think it could be easy to confuse someones use of action points as sinister when they could actualy be using them with good intentions.

I agree people have villager beneficial reasons for using APs other than voting. I am not suggesting that people not using their APs for voting are evil. I do, however, think that evil could manipulate the vote count.

Originally Posted by Lathum

why would I answer that question?

And it is that evil manipulation of the vote count being the reason why you should be honest.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by RendeR

This is exactly why trying to keep track of the AP's won't work. First off, everyone can change their minds at any time and secondly, we'll never know how many actually got used because thats all privately sent to Alan.

Frustrating.

Sure it's frustrating, but I think being completely in the dark or basically in the dark, about where someone stands is a bad strategy as well. THat's why I think it's worth the effort.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by RendeR

There is really no way to verify it. Alan has mentioned that the amount of action points is pretty much a GM-player only conversation, so even if we anounced it, there is no waqy to verify. Lots of room for "Titanic" lies there.

He did mention the possibility of some actions could get a peek.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

why would I answer that question?

Um, because we are trying to have some level of accountability behind our voting actions?

If you have read along with the thread, BK has indicated that he is putting five votes on me. I don't like this at all, but at least I know where I stand. You come in and say you are "keeping things close/interesting/whatever" when this is not the case if you take people's posts at face value.

Consider you added to the short list of people I would be voting for if I wasn't being forced into self-preservation mode. And I don't know what you are going to say on this topic at this point that would change my opinion on Day 1.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Sure it's frustrating, but I think being completely in the dark or basically in the dark, about where someone stands is a bad strategy as well. THat's why I think it's worth the effort.

I can see where you're coming from here, but it just seems a little pointless. No matter what anyone says, we're still completely in the dark because the only thing we know for a fact is that they used at least 1 AP. I don't see how guessing or trusting that anyone saying they are using more helps us. thats all.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Sure it's frustrating, but I think being completely in the dark or basically in the dark, about where someone stands is a bad strategy as well. THat's why I think it's worth the effort.

I completly disagree.

Lets say I state I only used 1 action point for my vote.

Don't you think that puts a target on my back?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I completly disagree.

Lets say I state I only used 1 action point for my vote.

Don't you think that puts a target on my back?

I'd say not considering I'm the only person who has stated that they are using more than 1 AP on the vote today.

[ntndeacon]

Ok the voting for multiple points today seems sketchy regardless of what you have said Barkeep. and since I have to vote today...

Vote Barkeep

1 AP

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I completly disagree.

Lets say I state I only used 1 action point for my vote.

Don't you think that puts a target on my back?

No, really it doesn't, because no matter HOW you vote we KNOW you put 1AP on it, you don't have a choice, so we're all at that level as far as trust goes.

I have more issue with those stating they are using MORE than 1 because they are the one who could well be lying.


(caps for emphasis, not anger *grins*)

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'd say not considering I'm the only person who has stated that they are using more than 1 AP on the vote today.

Grabs the red and white paint....."hold still for a second..."

[Neon_Chaos]

Wow. 11 people on the board. Woohoo.

Hooray for what looks like an active Day 1. This is 3 or 4 games in a row now.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

No, really it doesn't, because no matter HOW you vote we KNOW you put 1AP on it, you don't have a choice, so we're all at that level as far as trust goes.

maybe I missed someting but is the number of action points you use on your vote public?

[Neon_Chaos]

On the thread, I meant.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

maybe I missed someting but is the number of action points you use on your vote public?

No.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Lathum

maybe I missed someting but is the number of action points you use on your vote public?

nope.

But it wouldn't hurt to be honest.

[RendeR]

You can put more than 1 on your vote Lathum, but you do that VIA PM with Alan. not publicly. So we never know for certain who has used how many votes on anyone.

[hoopsguy]

From what I recall Alan posting there is no summary post of total votes someone gets or a breakdown of who put "x" number of points. We just learn who dies, period, end of story.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

From what I recall Alan posting there is no summary post of total votes someone gets or a breakdown of who put "x" number of points. We just learn who dies, period, end of story.

Hrm....as I recall I owe you a few votes

meh, you seem decent enough this game. You get a break today.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

nope.

But it wouldn't hurt to be honest.

well then why is Render claiming we will know someone put only 1 point towards a vote?

I'm confused

[Lathum]

nevermind, I think I got what he meant

[Neon_Chaos]

Vote Count:

Anxiety - Anxiety, Pass, Raiders, Ardent
Hoops - Barkeep, Lathum
Neon - Purdue, DaddyT
DT - Neon
Barkeep - ntndeacon

I'll probably end up moving my vote and using all my points for self-preservation purposes if I'm still a major candidate, sacrificing being able to use my ability tonight.

[RendeR]

You missed ymvote on Telle, NC, please be more thorough

[Neon_Chaos]

Sorry.

Vote Count:

Anxiety - Anxiety, Pass, Raiders, Ardent
Hoops - Barkeep, Lathum
Neon - Purdue, DaddyT
DT - Neon
Barkeep - ntndeacon
Telle - Render

[Telle]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'll join in and use 1AP to vote, dunno who I'm voting for yet.

I'll vote Telle. She's always fairly well trusted. I don't recall her being a wolf much so I'm betting she's due.

VOTE TELLE

So I'm having a fairly busy day at work.. not really keeping up with the game. I'm slowly working my way through the thread and filling out my spreadsheet, and RendeR pops on instant messenger and says "I love you =)". Awe.. how sweet. What a wonderful husband I have..

And then I get down to THIS post.

"Oh no, of course I don't have an ulterior motive.. I just wanted to be sweet and tell you how much you mean to me." Bullshit

[RendeR]

But I DO love you darling =)

[RendeR]

Gues its a good thing I work nights

[Telle]

Taking into account Barkeep's x5 vote on Hoops, I'll even things up..

VOTE ANXIETY

Just one vote from me, for those keeping track.

[Neon_Chaos]

Vote Count:

Anxiety - Anxiety, Pass, Raiders, Ardent, Telle
Hoops - Barkeep, Lathum
Neon - Purdue, DaddyT
DT - Neon
Barkeep - ntndeacon
Telle - Render

[Neon_Chaos]

You guys do know that Anxiety is moving his vote once he realizes that you're all piling on him, right?

[RendeR]

I have to admit something. I'm not a fan of rap, and especialy of those who just rip off other tunes to make their rap sound better, and while Fort Minor seems to do exactly that on every single song I've heard, I have to admit I enjoy the music itself, they put it together well.

The rap still sucks ass, but at least the tune is enjoyable.


Now back to your regularly scheduled werewolf game.

[Lathum]

I;m confused.

If we all have an action requiring 1 action point how can BK use all 5 votes on hoops?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I;m confused.

If we all have an action requiring 1 action point how can BK use all 5 votes on hoops?

I thikn actions are optional, voting is not.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I;m confused.

If we all have an action requiring 1 action point how can BK use all 5 votes on hoops?

Can you choose to not do your action, maybe? Although I think the rules did state that you have three points that can be added towards votes or actions.. so that would indicate you could only use up to 4 on a vote.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

You guys do know that Anxiety is moving his vote once he realizes that you're all piling on him, right?

Does it matter? It's Day 1, and we have to vote for somebody. Might as well be him. We could vote for you instead if you like

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Telle

Can you choose to not do your action, maybe? Although I think the rules did state that you have three points that can be added towards votes or actions.. so that would indicate you could only use up to 4 on a vote.

It seems you're correct, Telle. I missed that part completely, thanks for pointing it out.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Telle

Does it matter? It's Day 1, and we have to vote for somebody. Might as well be him. We could vote for you instead if you like

Oh... By all means, then, pile on to Anxiety as you wish.

[DaddyTorgo]

neon...you're hardly a major candidate

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Vote Count:

Anxiety - Anxiety, Pass, Raiders, Ardent, Telle
Hoops - Barkeep, Lathum
Neon - Purdue, DaddyT
DT - Neon
Barkeep - ntndeacon
Telle - Render

This vote count is entirely misleading and is the exact reason why I think we should be stating how many points we're using. As hoops has pointed out he currently has 6 votes (my 5 plus Lathum's 1+?). Most of the Anxiety players have stated they're only using 1 point.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

This vote count is entirely misleading and is the exact reason why I think we should be stating how many points we're using. As hoops has pointed out he currently has 6 votes (my 5 plus Lathum's 1+?). Most of the Anxiety players have stated they're only using 1 point.

why are you pushing so hard for stating the number of action points we are using, it is completely unreliable.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

This vote count is entirely misleading and is the exact reason why I think we should be stating how many points we're using. As hoops has pointed out he currently has 6 votes (my 5 plus Lathum's 1+?). Most of the Anxiety players have stated they're only using 1 point.

I agree, Barkeep. We should count the potential points that could be allotted into a vote, and how many points people said they would put in.

Too busy to go back and check on how many points people said they would put in, but i'm putting in the potentials, given 4 points per person. Maybe you can fill in the blanks.

(Declared votes / Potential votes)

Anxiety (?/20) - Anxiety (?), Pass (?), Raiders (?), Ardent (?), Telle (?)
Hoops (4/8) - Barkeep (4), Lathum (?)
Neon (?/8) - Purdue (?), DaddyT (?)
DT (1/4) - Neon (1)
Barkeep (?/4) - ntndeacon (?)
Telle (?/4) - Render (?)

[Schmidty]

Man, I just woke up. Looks like I have some stuff to catch up with.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Lathum

why are you pushing so hard for stating the number of action points we are using, it is completely unreliable.

As unreliable as it is, though, I think it would be better to have something for analysis, than nothing at all.

[Telle]

Barkeep put on five/four depending on how you read the rules.
DaddyTorgo, Passacaglia, and Lathum did not state how many votes.
Everyone else used one vote.

Yet to vote: path12, Racer, Chief Rum, St.Cronin, ArlingtonColt, Hoopsguy, Schmidty

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Telle

Barkeep put on five/four depending on how you read the rules.
DaddyTorgo, Passacaglia, and Lathum did not state how many votes.
Everyone else used one vote.

Yet to vote: path12, Racer, Chief Rum, St.Cronin, ArlingtonColt, Hoopsguy, Schmidty

i put one

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

As unreliable as it is, though, I think it would be better to have something for analysis, than nothing at all.

Maybe I am inhererently mistrusting but I actualy think having nothing at all is better for now until we see how things play out after the first lynch

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Telle

Barkeep put on five/four depending on how you read the rules.
DaddyTorgo, Passacaglia, and Lathum did not state how many votes.
Everyone else CLAIMED THEY used one vote.

Yet to vote: path12, Racer, Chief Rum, St.Cronin, ArlingtonColt, Hoopsguy, Schmidty

fixed

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Lathum

fixed

Good point. I was going to put "stated they used one" but then that was repeating the phrasing in the previous sentence.. and, well, I didn't like that

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Absent any other reasoning, I'm not a fan of the vote for yourself, and I've never heard of it used on Day 1.

VOTE ANXIETY
1 AP.

I'm not "using" it, I rolled dice and they come up 14. I can;t help that. It's not a normal self vote where I get pissed at the game and then vote myself. Would you have preferred me to reroll and then never say what happened? that wouldn't have been right.

And I do remember it being used once on day one, right Schmidty?

[Abe Sargent]

Alright, I finished a short story and gotta go find out where I should submit it. I'll be back after.