Rise of Nations, MP

[Chubby]

i had +100 population and i could go over the cap by 25 so I wasn't worried about colossus

[heybrad]

Just curious... whats the point of the no attacking another human until an AI nation is eliminated? Maybe I'm taking the wrong approach, but wouldnt it be a good strategy to hit some resource points on your opponent once they start to pull ahead of you. Its your only shot to slow them down. As it is now, once you're behind, you're toast.

[Barkeep49]

The idea is to give players breathing time to get up to speed. Basically it's our own version of an anti-rushing rule.

[Marmel]

Yeah, what barkeep said. I don't care much about what rules we play by, this was just something we came to a consensus on at one time. We can do things differently of course, if people want.

[Barkeep49]

With the amount of players we are getting it might be time to dump the Computer players and come up with different rushing rules as brad suggests.

[Chubby]

well since no one takes out the comp players until they are at information anyways might we make that the rule?

[heybrad]

I'm cool with whatever we do. I had a blast getting my ass kicked last night. I just think we might try to find some middle ground on rushing as opposed to hitting strategic targets to slow down advancement.

[Marmel]

i have no problem coming up with something fair brad. Our little skirmish was fine, but you caught me totally off guard since i didn't even have a barracks up yet I don't think. It does make sense to knock out some bordering mines to use for yourself....

[Chubby]

The only thing i'd really go after would be oil personally.

[Marmel]

Trying to get a 10pm or 10:30pm game going tongiht.

[Chubby]

can't tonight as I fly out to Chicago at 6am tomorrow! I'll be back sunday so I'll be able to play then.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUBS!!!!!!!!

[heybrad]

I think I can play tonight. I'll have to drag my wife off of the PC. She's heavily into playing Casino Empire right now.

[Barkeep49]

I hope you have a nice time in Chicago Chubby. Too bad you couldn't get any suggestions about things to do around here...

I should be able to make the "10 o'clock game" which I assume is really the wink wink nudge nudge Chief Rum time.

Despite the fact that it would make my life harder I agree that border skirmishing seems like a legitimate thing we should be having.

[RainRaven]

If anyone wanted to play a more early evening type game let me know, I would't mind giving RON mulitplay a whirl and at 10 I am already committed to the Turbo Sliders league.

[Marmel]

bump for a 10pm game (or a bit later)

[heybrad]

So... who won last night. I showed my inexperience by completing ignoring Barkeep while preparing to take out ChiefRum. Just as I was getting ready to invade Chief, Barkeep hit me with a ton of Stealth Bombers and I was out.

[SirFozzie]

Hey.. anyone know if Rise of Nations supports the version offered through Yahoo! Games on Demand?

Considering the games they offer, (Civ3, etc etc), with unlimited play for like $9.95 a month, sounds like a cheap games hit

[Barkeep49]

I don't know what you mean by supports. I've always wondered if they patch the games and think I will d/l RON to test that very thing. Overall I've been really happy with Games on Demand as it has allowed me to play a variety of games I would've either never paid for or would have paid far more to play.

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- Brad the Germans (Chubby and I) won. Don't feel bad since pretty much everyone except for Butch was a rollover last night... It was kinda surprising actually. I am curious who won the second game which was having so many problems getting off the ground.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Don't feel bad since pretty much everyone except for Butch was a rollover last night...

What!?!?! I take offense to that. My Biplanes were doing a good job fighting off your stealth bombers!

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't know what you mean by supports. I've always wondered if they patch the games and think I will d/l RON to test that very thing. Overall I've been really happy with Games on Demand as it has allowed me to play a variety of games I would've either never paid for or would have paid far more to play.

I meant if it was possible for a Games on Demand RoN to play MP against a regular RoN player. If So.. I think I'll splurge 100 or so games for $15 a month es goot~

[heybrad]

Originally Posted by bsak16

What!?!?! I take offense to that. My Biplanes were doing a good job fighting off your stealth bombers!

Since I've been taken out in both of my games by hoards of stealth bombers.... What the hell kills a stealth bomber in the game?

[Barkeep49]

You need a whole bunch of fighters, preferably of the same age of the bombers.

[Franklinnoble]

SAMs don't work?

[heybrad]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

SAMs don't work?

Here's the dialog in my head last night as I was playing...

"I'll put these SAM's all over the place to protect against air attacks. Hmmm... I wonder if they wont detect the stealth bombers. I mean, they are stealth."

** Barkeep bombs the shit our of me with stealth bombers **

question answered

[HeavyReign]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Dola -- Brad the Germans (Chubby and I) won. Don't feel bad since pretty much everyone except for Butch was a rollover last night... It was kinda surprising actually. I am curious who won the second game which was having so many problems getting off the ground.

We never did get to finish the game. In our last try Marmel got dropped early on but we tried to keep playing. It finally dropped everyone for good as I was getting close to finishing the last 4 research options.

[Dr. Sak]

Game tonight? 10-1030 pm EST?

[Marmel]

Sak has to back out, and I think I am going to get to bed a little early tonight and catch up on some sleep.

[Barkeep49]

I'm going to hang out in FOFC RON on AIM... If we get a few people (I don't have most peoples IMs) I'd love to get a game going.

[Barkeep49]

I'd like to aim for a midnight EST game if people are around. All are welcome and all skill levels can and do have fun. Join AIM Chatroom FOFC RON to join in the fun.

[Tekneek]

Chances for a game tonight? I've got permission from the financial controller (wife) to pick up the expansion pack today (I will probably get it this afternoon, if I can easily find it - without having to drive to Athens).

[SirFozzie]

I'm good for it.

[Barkeep49]

Well there are supposedly MP problems with the XP so we best stick to the original for now. Shall we say a midnight EDT game?

[heybrad]

I might be able to make it. I'll jump on AIM around 8:45 (edit: Pacific Time) or so.

[Marmel]

I might be able to play a late game, but might also be on earlier for a 9 or 10 or 10:30ish game.

[Tekneek]

Ah. I'll just get the expansion pack for my own fun then. We can play the original. I may be on around 10.

[Raven]

I also don't like the whole "can't attack humans, until an AI is eliminated" rule.

It seems to limit strategy, and becomes a "first to tech - wins" game. Especially since it basically allows you to not build any military units until you are almost done teching. While the AI on the other hand, builds up a lot of military units, and is slower to tech. Then, the first to tech takes out the AI, and gets all their cities and resources, and usually ends up the winner.

I think things could be a little more interesting if we eliminated the rule. I could see two guys having little mini-battles all throughout a single game. It could definitely open up some new possibilities, and make the game more strategic as opposed to a race to get those stealth bombers first.

[Marmel]

Raven, I tend to agree wth you. I also wouldn't mind seeing a cap put on techs, say to the modern age instead of info age and beyond. Basically, that would prevent the nearly unstoppable stealth and limit you to regular bombers and fighters. It would also get rid of world government which means you can't just take a capital, but must work your way towards their capital and then keep it for a few minutes. Might make the games take longer, but there would be much more strategy involved.

[Butch2522]

i like that idea as well. But keep it at modern age because anything lower then that the game would take about 10 day to play. i played a game to gun powder this morning on gamespy against someone and it would have takens a few hours to built a army big enough to go take out his citys. I think this well take alot more strategy then what we was playing. It will take long but be more fun i think because the battles wont be so quick.

[Neuqua]

Originally Posted by Marmel

Raven, I tend to agree wth you. I also wouldn't mind seeing a cap put on techs, say to the modern age instead of info age and beyond. Basically, that would prevent the nearly unstoppable stealth and limit you to regular bombers and fighters. It would also get rid of world government which means you can't just take a capital, but must work your way towards their capital and then keep it for a few minutes. Might make the games take longer, but there would be much more strategy involved.

I have been saying these things to you ever since we first started playing RoN. I can't stand the "take your capital, you're gone" rule. If we all had a lot of time one night, I would love to have some real battles without the stealth. Then the winner can really feel he deserved it.

But then, without stealth Marm, how will you win?

[SirFozzie]

Bumping to the top.. let's get a game going

[Barkeep49]

Bump again as I too would like to get a game going... Will be in AIM room FOFC RON in the hopes we can get something going.

[SirFozzie]

That stunk. ANyone for a Saturday game?

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

That stunk. ANyone for a Saturday game?

I'll be on and ready to play after the Flames/Lightning game. I couldn't find anybody last night. I went into FOFC RON and bsak was the only person in there, and he wasn't responding to my questions. It was rather strange.

I played a game with the expansion pack through Gamespy, and there were not any oddities (other than two of the players being completely dishonest - it was supposed to be a 'newbie' game, and the way they dominated would indicate they were not n00bs). I would have sworn they were cheating somehow, the way they advanced so damn quickly. They seemed to be teched to Modern in about 15 minutes.

[Marmel]

I'm up for a game if it starts by 10pm tonight. I have been pretty busy lately and would like to squeeze one in tonight.

[Dr. Sak]

I'll be on and ready to play after the Flames/Lightning game. I couldn't find anybody last night. I went into FOFC RON and bsak was the only person in there, and he wasn't responding to my questions. It was rather strange.

Sorry Tekneek. My girlfriend was over and just about to leave, I popped into the room to see if there was anyone there and by the time i walked her out and came back in you had come and gone. I did type something but I dont think you saw it before you left.

I am up for a game tonight around 9pm or 10pm, anyone in?

[Chubby]

I'm in for tonight, now that I'm back from my trip I'm ready for some RoN goodness.

[Tekneek]

Anybody playing tonight?

[Ragone]

I'll play if someone gets ahold of me via aim

ragone76.. i'm playing cm at the moment trying to keep from going bankrupt hah

[Ben E Lou]

I'd love to play tonight, assuming I don't fall asleep at a ridiculously early hour. (I'm still pretty tired from my trip...)