Trump Indictment/Trial thread-2023

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I often forget how morally and intellectually superior you are to the rest of us who exist a few planes below you.

I don't think I'm either one of those things. I intentionally worded my post with 'we', not 'you'.

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Not this shit again.

Which shit is that, exactly? I don't want to have a hot take without understanding your meaning.

Originally Posted by Rainmaker

I'm pretty sure I know how they think and what they care about. They've been screaming about it for years. There isn't some big mystery here where we need to "put ourselves in their shoes".

I regularly see you assigning motives to various groups, some of which are merely questionable and others of which are highly dubious in accuracy, so I'm confident that you probably don't know as much in this area as you claim.

[albionmoonlight]

Just a moment...

DeSantis et al. are only pretenders to the throne. There is only one Trump. He just does this stuff so effortlessly. Other politicians have to think to be this… Trumpy.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Wife and I at dinner tonight were discussing this. She isn't a big political person but is wicked smart. She asked about him being a flight risk. How can he not be, dude has his own plane and unlimited resource.

If you believe, as I do, that Trump's "wealth" is actually a rotating shell game of leverage, shell companies, and banks who can't afford to let him default, then the act of fleeing the country and any subsequent freezing of or investigation into the his accounts very quickly brings down the house of cards, leaving him very much at the mercy of others' leniency. Likely a position that Trump feels beneath him.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The legal argument is that it is the Presidential Records Act. So it is an Act that lets the President keep all the Records. It really is that dumb of an argument.

Trump probably figures that he put 3 people on SCOTUS, so when it comes to that, they'll say he can do whatever he wants.

[Edward64]

Y'all realize that, if not elected, he'll get a Presidential pardon.

Probably before he has to serve any time if found guilty & sentenced.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Y'all realize that, if not elected, he'll get a Presidential pardon.

Probably before he has to serve any time if found guilty & sentenced.

I doubt it.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

I doubt it.

I hope not, but I don't put anything past some in the GOP. I think DeSantis, should he win would not pardon him because he will be holding a grudge from Trumpys nicknames for him.

And with Trump out of the picture, does anyone have a shot to beat DeSantis?

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Y'all realize that, if not elected, he'll get a Presidential pardon.

You mean not elected because another GOP candidate won the GE. Which, while true, is currently the 3rd most likely option, after either Trump or Biden winning.

[SirFozzie]

Honestly, I can see Biden offering Trump a pardon in an attempt (misguided) to heal the wounds. But it won't happen, because Trump will be claiming that the Trilateral Comission turned the frogs gay and that somehow that combined with triglycerides in the peanut butter and Mars in conjunction with Venus to steal the election, while his supporters burn everything down.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Honestly, I can see Biden offering Trump a pardon in an attempt (misguided) to heal the wounds. But it won't happen, because Trump will be claiming that the Trilateral Comission turned the frogs gay and that somehow that combined with triglycerides in the peanut butter and Mars in conjunction with Venus to steal the election, while his supporters burn everything down.

And all of that is 100% true, even right this very second.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

You mean not elected because another GOP candidate won the GE. Which, while true, is currently the 3rd most likely option, after either Trump or Biden winning.

I am assuming the trial-guilty verdict-sentencing-appeal occurs after the election. If it occurs before and/or Trump wins the election, then it'll be crazy.

I can easily see Biden (or non-Trump president) giving Trump a pardon ala Gerald Ford to "move the country forward". Biden was in the Senate when that happened, he is a compromiser and old school.

[Ghost Econ]

That would be even worse. The GOP would spin it as, "See they only did this so he wouldn't win the election. Now that he lost, it really wasn't illegal and the deep state is covering it's tracks."

[Lathum]

I don’t see any way Biden would pardon trump.

[CrimsonFox]

lol trump went to a cuban restaurant after his arraignment and declared "Food for everyone". Then left without paying

[Ghost Econ]

Yeah, he's not a socialist, duh.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

That would be even worse. The GOP would spin it as, "See they only did this so he wouldn't win the election. Now that he lost, it really wasn't illegal and the deep state is covering it's tracks."

You know the funny thing here is, I am sure that behind the scenes a lot of the GOP is on board with him being convicted, possibly even assisting in some covert manner.

But you are right. Once the anchor on their party is cut and begins it's descent into the depths of political oblivion, they will absolutely spin it to rile the base and leverage that anger. This is a win win for the GOP establishment and they know it.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I am assuming the trial-guilty verdict-sentencing-appeal occurs after the election.

Agreed, only because I can't see how the whole appeals process (assuming he's found guilty initially) completes in 18 months.

I can easily see Biden (or non-Trump president) giving Trump a pardon ala Gerald Ford to "move the country forward". Biden was in the Senate when that happened, he is a compromiser and old school.

I think enough Democrats know that such an act would lose them so much of their electorate that they'd be able to convince not to do something so damaging to the party.

[Noop]

I do not see Trump ever going to prison.

1. He either will win the election and pardon himself.
2. Get pardoned by the Republican winner.
3. Flee the country.

[SirFozzie]

or, due to age, passes away.

[Lathum]

I hope for option 4.

[PilotMan]

I like passes away from doing something stupid, Darwin award style.

[SirFozzie]

I dunno, it's like a still no win situation.

Heart failure? Obvious use of the Biden Crime Family's secret stash of assassins.

COVID: See above, this time using a real version of a fake disease.

Commits Suicide/Darwin Award candidate? A secret plot to fake his death so he can continue to expose all as Q without being public, or he was mind controlled into it.

[Lathum]

When he does meet his maker the conspiracies are gonna be lit.

[flere-imsaho]

In an ideal world I'd like to have had the leveraged house of cards that is his business "empire" somehow start to break apart at the seams due to one of these investigations, which is probably the worst thing that could happen to his ego. Before he died.

In a slightly less ideal world I'd love to see him taste some actual jeopardy of having to actually go to jail before he dies.

But at this point I'd be fine if he shuffled off his mortal coil, though after next primary season would be great.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

When he does meet his maker the conspiracies are gonna be lit.

I don't think even Satan wants to hear his shit anymore.

[Thomkal]

Check out Twitter for the Bret Baier interview of Trump where he fact checks him on losing the election, hiring the "best people" and how the Saudi Crown Prince are good friends.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Check out Twitter for the Bret Baier interview of Trump where he fact checks him on losing the election, hiring the "best people" and how the Saudi Crown Prince are good friends.

I hear it was a triumph for a brilliant man

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by whomario

I hear it was a triumph for a brilliant man

This sums up MAGA in a nutshell.. The idiot is literally on tape admitting crimes and they are still like, ROAR OWN THE LIBS!!!!

God I hope he testifies.

[GrantDawg]

Trial date set for August 14th, though I'm sure there will be delays filed by Trump.

FLASH: Judge Aileen Cannon signs court order listing August 14 trial date in USA v. Donald Trump

In Fort Pierce, Florida https://t.co/81PO0dHXH6

— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) June 20, 2023

[Lathum]

I'm no attorney, and I am sure there will be delays, but that date signals to me the courts want this done one way or another by primary season.

[GrantDawg]

Unless the judge has a steel backbone (and I don't think this one does), it is going to be too easy to delay it. It will be a happy surprise if it gets down before spring of next year, but that might delay it enough for a "wait till the election" decision comes down.

[SirFozzie]

That's going to move. It's just trial has to be set within a certain amount of days of indictment, although it can (and will move) for a variety of things, pre-trial motions, etcetera.

[albionmoonlight]

Not to disappoint the people who want this over with quickly, but the court Hass to set date within the speedy trial clock window. In most cases, that date ends up being moved back based on pretrial motions, etc. Here, where you have a defendant who wants to delay and legitimate novel complex issues, it is going to be pushed way way beyond this August.

[CrimsonFox]

Does FOX News not like trump anymore? vice versa? I've lost track

[SirFozzie]

Fox has had to play it close to the vest, because they just paid something like six hundred million to Dominion, and still have a pending lawsuit from Smartmatic.

So Fox finds it harder to go megaMAGA (they just fired an ex-Tucker producer who tried the chyron "Wanna be dictator has political opponent arrested" during Trump arraignment, and have had to push back on "the election was stolen" stuff

[CrimsonFox]

they fired someone for that? Awesome! haha

[CrimsonFox]

it's amazing that I get most of my news from this site haha. And I love that fact

[SirFozzie]

Fox News fires producer who called Biden a dictator | Fortune

Now to be fair, they're also facing sexual harassment lawsuits, including one where the above named producer wanted to replace mother's breast feeding rooms with rooms where "Guys could tan their testicles"

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Does FOX News not like trump anymore? vice versa? I've lost track

They sort of made a turn away from him after the midterms (along with other Murdoch owned properties). But I think DeSantis has bombed so hard the past few months that they seemed to be warming back up to him.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

They sort of made a turn away from him after the midterms (along with other Murdoch owned properties). But I think DeSantis has bombed so hard the past few months that they seemed to be warming back up to him.

They do seem to be caught in the in between. Murdoch is done with Trump, but there really doesn't seem to be an electable alternative.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Fox News fires producer who called Biden a dictator | Fortune

Now to be fair, they're also facing sexual harassment lawsuits, including one where the above named producer wanted to replace mother's breast feeding rooms with rooms where "Guys could tan their testicles"

Would any guy here go into a room where you could tan your testicles with your coworkers?

I wouldn't.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Would any guy here go into a room where you could tan your testicles with your coworkers?

I wouldn't.

Don't our testicles have ENOUGH problems???

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They do seem to be caught in the in between. Murdoch is done with Trump, but there really doesn't seem to be an electable alternative.

bah! that's such crap. Any noncrazy nonmaga oldstyle republican would be perfect

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

bah! that's such crap. Any noncrazy nonmaga oldstyle republican would be perfect

Never win the nomination. The GOP is never nominating a presidential candidate who is non-crazy, non-maga.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Never win the nomination. The GOP is never nominating a presidential candidate who is non-crazy, non-maga.

Yeah, at least not until they get sick of "all the winning". Obviously I mean the GOP will stick by the MAGA candidates until they get handed a string of defeats.

One election you can cry and moan about. But if the Democrats win the 2024 presidential election and take back both houses of congress then the MAGAs are toast.

[SirFozzie]

Really, we're at three elections (2018 midterms, 2020 Presidential and Congress, 22 Midterms)

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Really, we're at three elections (2018 midterms, 2020 Presidential and Congress, 22 Midterms)

I don't think that faction is going away anytime soon, and it controls the party. I heard some pundits say it would be closer to 2032 before that might happen. The fact the almost all of the old guard, experienced leadership has been removed at every level but Washington and has been replaced with MAGA-headed nut jobs means they are the system now. Every GOP state convention only rewards the most wacky, and actually punishes anyone with the nerve not to be crazy.

[NobodyHere]

Even in 22 the party took control of the house.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Even in 22 the party took control of the house.

And they massively underperformed. If NY had competent dem leadership they wouldn't have even managed that.

Trump is one of the biggest electoral losers we've seen. About 48-50% of voters just aren't going to vote for him 8n a general election, which makes it nearly impossible for him to win the presidency without electoral college weirdness. He's an anchor on the party and I don't think the GOP will feel the full weight of the damage he's done until more Gen Z start voting.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Even in 22 the party took control of the house.

Because the majority of contested seats were in red areas. And they still barely did it.