Werewolf CXXV - Vegas, Baby - VILLAGERS WIN

[mckerney]

Vote: Lathum

Going with voting who I bet on for now. Bet on Lathum after he brought it up and couldn't think of another way to make bet. Not convinced it means he's a villager though, and I'm open to change if anyone as any better ideas.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I tend to agree with your general points here, although I would say also that I think the intent was for us to all vote soon, early, establsihing who the betting favorites are, and then we would follow with re-votes on one or two of those candidates to get an actual D1 vote.

My main issue with the process behind that is that we probably can't get enough people to vote and then be able to come back later and re-vote.

Probably not, at this point. Even though every time I look, I see a good 5 or so in this thread, no one is doing it, or even discussing it. Besides you, the best we have in here is people discussing that we should discuss it.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm fine with discussion. I'm NOT fine with sitting on our asses hoping someone will come up with a reason why we shouldn't do it, if no one's going to.

heres a reason not to...lets just say i bet on Lathum and i tell you all that, and he goes ahead and gets lynched, and i win my bet...the mafia now knows i have more money than i started with...they dont know how much more, but they know i have more.

what exactly do you that the pickpocket service is for?

i have now been identified as having money...it is highly reasonable to think that Lefty whateverhisnameis is going to relieve me of that money if the mafia wins his services

even if that isnt what Lefty does, i have at the very least identified myself as someone that the mafia will want to kill since they know i have more money than they do individually, and could outbid them on other services

i have absolutely no intention of telling anyone who i bet on.

[saldana]

dola, we also dont know what happens when you are nightkilled...does the person that pays for Knuckles get your money, should you have any left?

there you go pass...theres your reason why we shouldnt do it

[Lathum]

excellent point.

furthermore you can assume anyone who votes me bet on me. So if you vote me have fun being excecuted in your sleep!!!!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

excellent point.

furthermore you can assume anyone who votes me bet on me. So if you vote me have fun being excecuted in your sleep!!!!

How many people do you think bet on you? If it's a lot, they don't need to worry about being executed, since they are one of many. If it's a small number, then you don't need to worry about getting voted out!

sal, it's a good point. I'm not too worried about revealing who I bet on personally, because if I win, I figure I'll be one of many (otherwise the guy I bet on would not be the winner).

So...who DO you guys plan to vote for?

[Autumn]

Vote Count as of post #155

Lathum (2) - Passacaglia (118), Mckerney (151)
J23 (1) - Jackal (117)
Chief Rum (1) - Packer Fanatic (144)

[Zinto]

I am not sure how well we are going to be able to read the votes especially the first day votes. The betting records are more than likely going to be our friends assuming that info from the betting parlor even though I think those numbers for today are going to be skewed with people seeing what Lathum put and following through with placing a bet on him.

[Zinto]

I am not saying voting records will be useless but with two groups of wolves it is going to be easier for them to hide themselves initially.

[tyketime]

OK - so it is 1/2-way through my first day, and here is what I've already learned. No matter how many threads I read to get an idea how to play this game, it's not until I'm in it that I begin to understand the "level of complexity" to it.

I'm likening it to chess. Instead of worrying about just my move, I need to think about my opponent's move, and then my move in response to that. So while I am currently operating at just the basic level, the rest of you are at a factor of two or three times greater.

I bet on who I thought seemed obvious based on previous postings. But now I see that there's a whole 'nother game going on. It seemed to me that winning the bet made the most sense. But now I read these points that by winning, you may in fact be losing in the long term. Sheesh.

Anyway, so it doesn't look as if I am piling on, I will go ahead and make my vote now.

VOTE LATHUM

[ntndeacon]

my thought is that today revealing who you bet on will be less detrimental to who you vote on in the future.

[Lathum]

I probably should have read the rules before I volunteered myself to be lynched.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Crimson Fox

[ntndeacon]

I am interested to find out what some of these "services" do. Some are relatively easy to figure out others not so much.

[JAG]

I agree with Lathum and saldana. *Consider this point also: if we all did reveal who we bet for and one or more of the mafia groups did bunch their bets, we would be giving them too much influence over the D1 vote as well as giving them a better chance of making more money off the lynch.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JAG

I agree with Lathum and saldana. *Consider this point also: if we all did reveal who we bet for and one or more of the mafia groups did bunch their bets, we would be giving them too much influence over the D1 vote as well as giving them a better chance of making more money off the lynch.

Do you think the mafia groups did bunch their bets?

Again, I don't think that anyone should be locked into betting who they voted for -- just that it should be a starting point. Given that, I think their influence would be the same as any other time when they all vote as a block.

If people are getting hung up about the reveal, that's fine. I just thought it's something we might as well do, since we have a vested interest in seeing that person lynched. If you want to keep an air of mystery about it, whatever -- I figure the mafia will assume that it's pretty likely you bet on the person you ended up voting for.

[Passacaglia]

Autumn -- what order will the services be performed?

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by tyketime

But it would be nice to know how much we win if we get our lynch bet right so I can bid accordingly.

I'm sorry if I am being dense here. Was this question ever answered?

[Autumn]

@Pass In general, that's not information that you're aware of.

@tyketime I think I answered at some point, but you do not know how much money you'll win if your bet is correct.

[CrimsonFox]

Checking in. Reading stuff and junk.

Autumn, some of those services are a little vague. Can we get more specific details about what they do gamewise and how they work? Or were they left specifically vague for gaming fun-ness.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Checking in. Reading stuff and junk.

Autumn, some of those services are a little vague. Can we get more specific details about what they do gamewise and how they work? Or were they left specifically vague for gaming fun-ness.

I imagine it was deliberate

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I imagine it was deliberate

Yeah I figured, but it never hurts to ask.

[mauchow]

VOTE MCKERNEY

for no reason at all except to not get lathum voted out.. too much $ out there makes me nervous.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Checking in. Reading stuff and junk.

Autumn, some of those services are a little vague. Can we get more specific details about what they do gamewise and how they work? Or were they left specifically vague for gaming fun-ness.

That's basically what you're going to get. Of course those who win the service will get more explicit details.

[DaddyTorgo]

Guess I better throw a vote in in the next 10 minutes before I leave, since I likely won't be back on before deadline.

[Lathum]

Mauboy, I appreciate you not wanting me lynched, but if that is your true goal why not vote for someone who already has a vote on them?

[Lathum]

I am going to vote

VOTE J23

I would rather vote Pass but don't want to introduce another candidate.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE J23

I want to vote lathum, but that's 100% meta-game for his saving of saldana last game, so I'm not going to do that.

I'm likely going to be gone until after deadline, there's a slim chance I'll check in from my phone before deadline, but this is kinda my night to curl up and catch up on my reading (and some work).

[DaddyTorgo]

nice lathum - now that looks like we're coordinating a run on J23 when actually we were both just typing at the same time.

way to get us both targeted for lynching. do you hate me or something?

[Lathum]

hahah
LETS GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mauchow]

I'm not trying to save you..I'm trying to avoid quick rushes of votes. With you and j23 getting the bulk early on. I hope it switched tonight as these are probably votes that people bet on. I will probably switch my vote tonight if I have to swing a vote or perhaps tie a vote. I dunno..do we typically know what happens with ties? Its been a while since I've played. I know for certain my votes will not be going lathum or j23.

Also I apologize in advance for any spelling errors since I am doing this from my phone 830-530 during the week..

[Passacaglia]

Autumn -- I think that's kind of important info to know. If someone thinks they might die, it'd be nice to know if they can move money to someone else before they die, or not to bother.

[Passacaglia]

Mau -- I feel like lately the tie mechanic is 'unknown' (okay, it's just been the last two games I've been in) -- probably because the dude running it thinks it will discourage ties.

[cougarfreak]

Checking in and catching up after a long day at school, and taking the kids out.

[JAG]

My vote was going to go to someone acting suspicious or someone who hasn't posted much but made it deep into the last game, with a preference to my betting interest if I thought it had a better chance of hitting a wolf. My bettee has been active and not suspicious so I won't go there. I don't have an overly wolfy vibe on those who have posted, so I'm going to look at my other criteria. I was leaning J23 earlier but after the recent run on him I'm going to hold offt and go a different direction with Darth.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Autumn -- I think that's kind of important info to know. If someone thinks they might die, it'd be nice to know if they can move money to someone else before they die, or not to bother.

Pass, you don't know of any way that you can move your money to someone else. Perhaps you will discover one.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Pass, you don't know of any way that you can move your money to someone else. Perhaps you will discover one.

haha

it's like my 9 month old, he hasn't learned the concept of giving or sharing, but I hope he will someday.

[Passacaglia]

Autumn, are you saying that because you want to keep the 24 Hour Check Cashing more vague, or am I just misreading what it does?

[Autumn]

Just so people don't have to flip back a page.

Originally Posted by Autumn

The services available for bidding are:

Day 1

Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection
Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want
Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night
Knuckles Cassini - word is that if you want someone taken care of, Knuckles will do your dirty work
Destiny, Vegas Showgirl - everyone in town spends some time with Destiny in their lap, if they can afford it
Speedee Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedee will get it there
Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town
24 Hour Check Cashing - When you need to move money in a hurry
Lefty Fingers, Acquisitions - Lefty has his fingers in every pocket in town

To place your bid, PM me the service you are bidding for, and the amount of money you wish to bid for it. Bids are due at 9 pm EST. You will be informed at that time if you won your bid.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Autumn, are you saying that because you want to keep the 24 Hour Check Cashing more vague, or am I just misreading what it does?

I'm not going to specify exactly what any of the services do.

[cougarfreak]

I didn't get a chance to put in a bet this time around, too much to do this morning. Since I'm new at these games I'm going to follow the crowd for now, and check in later just in case.

VOTE LATUM

[Autumn]

Vote Count as of post #190

J23 (3) - Jackal 117, Lathum 177, DaddyTorgo 178
Lathum (3) - Pass 118, mckerney 151, Tyketime 160
Chief (1) - PackerFan 144
CrimsonFox (1) - Ntndeacon 163
Mckerney (1) - mauboy1 173
darth vilus (1) - JAG 185

[Autumn]

Vote Count as of post #191

J23 (3) - Jackal 117, Lathum 177, DaddyTorgo 178
Lathum (4) - Pass 118, mckerney 151, Tyketime 160, cougarfreak 191
Chief (1) - PackerFan 144
CrimsonFox (1) - Ntndeacon 163
Mckerney (1) - mauboy1 173
darth vilus (1) - JAG 185

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cougarfreak

I didn't get a chance to put in a bet this time around, too much to do this morning. Since I'm new at these games I'm going to follow the crowd for now, and check in later just in case.

VOTE LATUM

If I may interject here. If you didn't bet I wouldn't vote me, all you are doing is helping the people who did bet me get richer and giving them an advantage over you. I would guess at least 2 wolves probably bet me with the thought they can hide their vote on me in a run away.

[Lathum]

The more I think about it I am a horrible vote candidate today. Not only do we have no shot of getting a mobster ( I know I am a villager), but we are pretty much guarenteing the mob gets at least some money in the deal.

If we go with the random candidate we keep them guessing and maybe handcuff them a bit. If I do survive the lynch and NK I will likely be scanned and we can see how things play out tomorrow with that result.

[Zinto]

While I am not sold on not voting Lathum or for voting J23 I would like to keep the vote close and see where we go from there.

Vote J23

[ntndeacon]

Well let's take away one of the "non votes" and perhaps get another name more firmly in the mix

Unvote Crimson Fox
Vote Darth Vilius

[Autumn]

I'm heading out for dinner and taking care of the kids. I'll be back well before deadline. Remember both votes and your bids (if any) for services are due by 9 EST.

[Autumn]

Vote Count as of post #198

J23 (4) - Jackal 117, Lathum 177, DaddyTorgo 178, zinto 196
Lathum (4) - Pass 118, mckerney 151, Tyketime 160, cougarfreak 191
darth vilus (2) - JAG 185, ntndeacon 198
Chief (1) - PackerFan 144
Mckerney (1) - mauboy1 173

[mauchow]

I say we vote the first flip flopped in ntn... well dayones usually suck anyway. Tomorrow shall be interesting.