Werewolf CXII - The Red Death - GAME OVER - Page 4

Autumn · 03-22-2010, 03:41 PM

No, I don't really want anyone to answer that, but it's something to ponder as we're passing items. I'm wondering whether someone could make better use of mine than me.

J23 · 03-22-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

No, I don't really want anyone to answer that, but it's something to ponder as we're passing items. I'm wondering whether someone could make better use of mine than me.

If an item compliments a given role, then I would certainly look to give it to that role. Also, it might be worth trying to funnel our items through people that are capable of gaining knowledge like the seer and follower roles to let them give it to the people that have been cleared (at least temporarily). This would be better done earlier rather than later since there is the risk of corruption.

PurdueBrad · 03-22-2010, 03:59 PM

I highly suggest passing items to "specific roles" and doing it earlier as well. I assume some of these items may keep people incorruptible or give them another benefit so I think J23 is likely right above.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 04:03 PM

Objects in mirror are more vampiric than they appear.

dubb93 · 03-22-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I highly suggest passing items to "specific roles" and doing it earlier as well.

Now hold on here. I'm not sure we should be throwing all of our eggs into just a couple of baskets. If we for instance pass all of our items to the detective what happens to those items if the detective is killed?

Telle · 03-22-2010, 04:11 PM

I think it makes sense to send objects to the person who would be able to make the best use out of them, based on what limited knowledge you have of the object.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 04:12 PM

And what happens if that person gets converted?

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 04:13 PM

We're boned!

PurdueBrad · 03-22-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

I think it makes sense to send objects to the person who would be able to make the best use out of them, based on what limited knowledge you have of the object.

And that is my point. I would send my item to a good guy role that I think can use it.

Those saying "what if that person gets converted," the same thing applies if you still have it, what if you get converted? My thoughts are that the objects *likely* give the person that they belong to an advantage against conversion, death, etc. For instance, if there was a plate of milk and cookies and Santa was a role, they would go together. Maybe he eats the cookies, drinks the milk, says "ho, ho, ho" and wards off some baddies. But for me, those would just be milk and cookies. It's an obvious connection. IF your item has an obvious partner and you aren't sending it to them, then that is a problem.

dubb93 · 03-22-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

And that is my point. I would send my item to a good guy role that I think can use it.

Those saying "what if that person gets converted," the same thing applies if you still have it, what if you get converted? My thoughts are that the objects *likely* give the person that they belong to an advantage against conversion, death, etc. For instance, if there was a plate of milk and cookies and Santa was a role, they would go together. Maybe he eats the cookies, drinks the milk, says "ho, ho, ho" and wards off some baddies. But for me, those would just be milk and cookies. It's an obvious connection. IF your item has an obvious partner and you aren't sending it to them, then that is a problem.

I would say the reverse is true too. If your item does not have an obvious partner the best play is to keep it yourself. I would not send flowers to Santa. Reindeer food...I probably would unless Rudolph was in the game.

PurdueBrad · 03-22-2010, 04:19 PM

Correct dubb, whole-heartedly. Something like that, with no obvious partner, I would hold on to because it may help you OR maybe it'll have a use revealed later.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 04:23 PM

That does it, we need a North Pole game LOL

PurdueBrad · 03-22-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

That does it, we need a North Pole game LOL

Sorry for the silly example. Although now I'm totally picturing WW Christimas 2010: The Elf Revolt.

KWhit · 03-22-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I would say the reverse is true too. If your item does not have an obvious partner the best play is to keep it yourself. I would not send flowers to Santa. Reindeer food...I probably would unless Rudolph was in the game.

I think that's a good way to look at things.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

And that is my point. I would send my item to a good guy role that I think can use it.

Those saying "what if that person gets converted," the same thing applies if you still have it, what if you get converted? My thoughts are that the objects *likely* give the person that they belong to an advantage against conversion, death, etc. For instance, if there was a plate of milk and cookies and Santa was a role, they would go together. Maybe he eats the cookies, drinks the milk, says "ho, ho, ho" and wards off some baddies. But for me, those would just be milk and cookies. It's an obvious connection. IF your item has an obvious partner and you aren't sending it to them, then that is a problem.

This analysis makes sense to me.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 04:30 PM

We really don't know what the Red Death minions can do yet. They perhaps have abilities equal to the light bringers. And remember that people gain more evil abilities and lose other ones as they get currupted.

dubb93 · 03-22-2010, 04:35 PM

From the rules

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Adept – You are able to, once per night, cast an Auramancy spell that will tell you if someone is a Servant of the Red Death. However, it has been shown in the past that many Servants do not show up as evil, so this is not a guaranteed way. Each time you choose to cast the Auramancy spell, there is a very small but very real chance that the magic will corrupt you, since all magic comes from the Red Death.

This makes me think we are going to have more than 1 cunning.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

From the rules

This makes me think we are going to have more than 1 cunning.

Hmmmm it meant to me that the adept's scan works on a certain percentage and does not work on the other. Like 50% accuracy like the fool.

Telle · 03-22-2010, 04:38 PM

Well I'm getting out of here shortly and I don't know if I'll be on again before deadline.. so I'm going to go ahead and

vote EagleFan

J23 · 03-22-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Hmmmm it meant to me that the adept's scan works on a certain percentage and does not work on the other. Like 50% accuracy like the fool.

I read it as much better than the fool. The fool is basically useless because of false positives. This just gives false negatives, meaning that if you come up scanning wolf, you know it is a wolf at least. It just means you can't trust the negative scans as much.

Telle · 03-22-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Hmmmm it meant to me that the adept's scan works on a certain percentage and does not work on the other. Like 50% accuracy like the fool.

Yeah I wasn't sure which way to take it. Either way I feel a little daunted by this.. along with the possibility for conversions, it's going to make for a tough game.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I read it as much better than the fool. The fool is basically useless because of false positives. This just gives false negatives, meaning that if you come up scanning wolf, you know it is a wolf at least. It just means you can't trust the negative scans as much.

+1

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Well I'm getting out of here shortly and I don't know if I'll be on again before deadline.. so I'm going to go ahead and

vote EagleFan

any reason?

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 04:44 PM

After some pm conversations, I have decided to clarify a previous statement in the thread. Listen very carefully.

After Night Four, there is no night action that can result in a conversion.

That is all I can say about that. Interpret it however you will.

Telle · 03-22-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

any reason?

Not really. The way he's kinda jumping on things is kind of pinging me, but that's about it.

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 04:49 PM

Hmm, sounds to me like there may be some daytime actions ...

For the record (on something that likely can not be validated or refuted) I was not one of the people peppering Abe with questions about the rules by PM. I have not had much time to do more than read the thread up to this point. Kudos to those more engaged than I've been so far.

Darth Vilus · 03-22-2010, 05:02 PM

Well I'm getting ready to head out in a bit, not sure if i'll be back before i have to go to work (late shift, ugh) so im gonna throw my vote in

Vote Autumn

Nothing more than suggesting everyone to share their info

dubb93 · 03-22-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Hmm, sounds to me like there may be some daytime actions ...

Explain.

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 05:22 PM

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After Night Four, there is no night action that can result in a conversion.

It sounds like Abe measured his words very carefully in that post.

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 05:23 PM

Plus I'm drawing on Abe's past games, where there certainly have been actions processed during non-standard times.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 05:27 PM

Perhaps. I was thinking " there is NO night action..." meaning both good and bad guys cannot convert guys to their side.
Don't know but he's trying to be vague on purpose to not give EVERYTHING about the game away. and yay for that.

dubb93 · 03-22-2010, 05:36 PM

Vote Danny

Eaglefan was a close second for his cunning comment in a game where I think there are multiple cunnings. On day 1 I expect the wolves the let the action play out and not put themselves in the limelight. It is a pretty solid play actually since most of the time D1 votes turn out to be good guys and the next few days revolve around who pushed for the good guy vote. Danny is a guy who really hasn't pushed anything out there today and that is out of the ordinary for him.

ntndeacon · 03-22-2010, 05:56 PM

Unvote Eagle
Vote J23

I like Autumn's comment about trying to put others in the spotlight early. (is tirred of it being me.) So I picked one more or less at random

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 06:03 PM

Vote telle
For calling out west-coasters and not letting us sleep.

J23 · 03-22-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Unvote Eagle
Vote J23

I like Autumn's comment about trying to put others in the spotlight early. (is tirred of it being me.) So I picked one more or less at random

I think I've been more vocal than most today

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 06:16 PM

Doing a quick vote count, then will be casting a vote before leaving work.

I should have a few minutes tonight to review the thread pre-deadline, but probably won't be around right at the deadline.

ntndeacon · 03-22-2010, 06:16 PM

howeer you don't get a lot of day one votes, j23. my vote is not based on post count.

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 06:23 PM

I deliberated between two right now:
Jackal - voted for NTN for being first to cast vote #2 on someone. I hate that argument; I don't think it holds water at this point and probably never did, statistically.

EF - NTN unvoted him for reasons that really "read" as half-hearted to me. Especially peculiar given that EF was only person ahead of NTN in votes at time.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 06:23 PM

Current votes, as of Post #189:

PB - Poli (93)
EF - J23 (129), Telle (170), Hoops (189)
NTN - EF (131), Jackal (151)
Autumn - DV (178)
Danny - Dubb (183)
J23 - NTN (184)
Telle - CF (185)

Poli · 03-22-2010, 06:28 PM

Heading out for a date. I'll be disappointed if I'm around for the deadline.

PurdueBrad · 03-22-2010, 06:29 PM

I'm all for condensing and I think the number of new candidates once ntn and EF were facing off may be telling.

vote ntn

PurdueBrad · 03-22-2010, 06:29 PM

Oh, reasoning for ntn, put things into a tie and see what happens. I will move to avoid a tie however.

The Jackal · 03-22-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I deliberated between two right now:
Jackal - voted for NTN for being first to cast vote #2 on someone. I hate that argument; I don't think it holds water at this point and probably never did, statistically.

I had another reason too, which was really the more meaningful of the two, that being that he is often UTR and around late without leaving many posts to tip his hand.

The Jackal · 03-22-2010, 06:31 PM

And if you couldn't tell from the tone of that earlier post, I was mostly joking as to the nature of day one votes.

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

Heading out for a date. I'll be disappointed if I'm around for the deadline.

Hot

henry296 · 03-22-2010, 06:37 PM

I'm going to make sure we have a third candidate with so many people. She tends to fly under the radar and is not usually an early candidate.

Vote Telle

Chief Rum · 03-22-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

Checking in. I have a good guess at what my item does, though it's not of much use to me.

What's the order in regards to trading items/night actions/night kills?

You know, there is so little to go on Day Ones, but you grasp at what straws you can. This reads to me less like a question from a villager with an item, and more like someone suggesting he has a night action.

Now, that might be a good guy, but my gut says it could actually be one of the Servants who can't PM (check the rules; possible for this game), possibly trying to put it out there to other Servants that he is one of them. It's unclear from the rules if a Servant who can't PM is even known to the other Servants.

Very slim, yes. But I have to vote soon, as I will soon be leaving work for the night.

VOTE J23

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 06:43 PM

CR, I've noticed a lot actually that people who ask questions about rules and items and such on the board usually end up being wolves trying to come across as villagers.

Darth Vilus · 03-22-2010, 06:45 PM

Due to car trouble im back earlier than i thought. heading out to work in about an hour though

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 06:46 PM

Vote EF

If PB is right that votes spread after a conflict between those two I find the voting pattern against EF slightly worse. I do not buy CR's theory.

03-22-2010, 04:44 PM	#174
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	After some pm conversations, I have decided to clarify a previous statement in the thread. Listen very carefully. After Night Four, there is no night action that can result in a conversion. That is all I can say about that. Interpret it however you will. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-22-2010, 05:02 PM	#177
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Well I'm getting ready to head out in a bit, not sure if i'll be back before i have to go to work (late shift, ugh) so im gonna throw my vote in Vote Autumn Nothing more than suggesting everyone to share their info __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

03-22-2010, 06:28 PM	#190
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Heading out for a date. I'll be disappointed if I'm around for the deadline. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-22-2010, 06:37 PM	#196
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I'm going to make sure we have a third candidate with so many people. She tends to fly under the radar and is not usually an early candidate. Vote Telle __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

03-22-2010, 06:45 PM	#199
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Due to car trouble im back earlier than i thought. heading out to work in about an hour though __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

03-22-2010, 03:41 PM	#151
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	No, I don't really want anyone to answer that, but it's something to ponder as we're passing items. I'm wondering whether someone could make better use of mine than me.

03-22-2010, 03:59 PM	#153
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I highly suggest passing items to "specific roles" and doing it earlier as well. I assume some of these items may keep people incorruptible or give them another benefit so I think J23 is likely right above.

03-22-2010, 04:03 PM	#154
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Objects in mirror are more vampiric than they appear.

03-22-2010, 04:11 PM	#156
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	I think it makes sense to send objects to the person who would be able to make the best use out of them, based on what limited knowledge you have of the object.

03-22-2010, 04:12 PM	#157
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	And what happens if that person gets converted?

03-22-2010, 04:13 PM	#158
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	We're boned!

03-22-2010, 04:19 PM	#161
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Correct dubb, whole-heartedly. Something like that, with no obvious partner, I would hold on to because it may help you OR maybe it'll have a use revealed later.

03-22-2010, 04:23 PM	#162
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	That does it, we need a North Pole game LOL

03-22-2010, 04:30 PM	#166
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	We really don't know what the Red Death minions can do yet. They perhaps have abilities equal to the light bringers. And remember that people gain more evil abilities and lose other ones as they get currupted.

03-22-2010, 04:38 PM	#169
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well I'm getting out of here shortly and I don't know if I'll be on again before deadline.. so I'm going to go ahead and vote EagleFan

03-22-2010, 04:49 PM	#176
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Hmm, sounds to me like there may be some daytime actions ... For the record (on something that likely can not be validated or refuted) I was not one of the people peppering Abe with questions about the rules by PM. I have not had much time to do more than read the thread up to this point. Kudos to those more engaged than I've been so far.

03-22-2010, 05:23 PM	#180
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Plus I'm drawing on Abe's past games, where there certainly have been actions processed during non-standard times.

03-22-2010, 05:27 PM	#181
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Perhaps. I was thinking " there is NO night action..." meaning both good and bad guys cannot convert guys to their side. Don't know but he's trying to be vague on purpose to not give EVERYTHING about the game away. and yay for that.

03-22-2010, 05:56 PM	#183
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Unvote Eagle Vote J23 I like Autumn's comment about trying to put others in the spotlight early. (is tirred of it being me.) So I picked one more or less at random

03-22-2010, 06:03 PM	#184
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Vote telle For calling out west-coasters and not letting us sleep.

03-22-2010, 06:16 PM	#186
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Doing a quick vote count, then will be casting a vote before leaving work. I should have a few minutes tonight to review the thread pre-deadline, but probably won't be around right at the deadline.

03-22-2010, 06:16 PM	#187
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	howeer you don't get a lot of day one votes, j23. my vote is not based on post count.

03-22-2010, 06:23 PM	#188
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I deliberated between two right now: Jackal - voted for NTN for being first to cast vote #2 on someone. I hate that argument; I don't think it holds water at this point and probably never did, statistically. EF - NTN unvoted him for reasons that really "read" as half-hearted to me. Especially peculiar given that EF was only person ahead of NTN in votes at time. VOTE EAGLEFAN

03-22-2010, 06:23 PM	#189
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Current votes, as of Post #189: PB - Poli (93) EF - J23 (129), Telle (170), Hoops (189) NTN - EF (131), Jackal (151) Autumn - DV (178) Danny - Dubb (183) J23 - NTN (184) Telle - CF (185)

03-22-2010, 06:29 PM	#191
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm all for condensing and I think the number of new candidates once ntn and EF were facing off may be telling. vote ntn

03-22-2010, 06:29 PM	#192
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Oh, reasoning for ntn, put things into a tie and see what happens. I will move to avoid a tie however.

03-22-2010, 06:31 PM	#194
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	And if you couldn't tell from the tone of that earlier post, I was mostly joking as to the nature of day one votes.

03-22-2010, 06:43 PM	#198
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	CR, I've noticed a lot actually that people who ask questions about rules and items and such on the board usually end up being wolves trying to come across as villagers.

03-22-2010, 06:46 PM	#200
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Vote EF If PB is right that votes spread after a conflict between those two I find the voting pattern against EF slightly worse. I do not buy CR's theory.

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