Werewolf VIII - A Transylvania Twist

[jeff061]

Voting Lathum off for that tasty comment was stupid. Thought so then and do now.

Voting off the quiet people is what you resort to in order to make sure you don't lose someone who is contributing. I don't see you as quiet anymore. I just didn't like the late bandwagon on Lathum for a really lame reason. That's the only suspicion I have on you. I don't see myself voting for you though, unless something else comes out.

[Poli]

Whatever happened to the strategy of everyone voting for someone without a vote? That way the vampires have to make a move.

[jeff061]

If this happened when I was a creature in VI I'd vote random, and most certainly would not change my vote no matter what.

I don't think it's as hard to sacrifice your own as you'd think, especially if it would mean uncovering two and the plan details are out in the open.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Being candid, as it was revealed at my death in the x-com game going on right now that i was an alien, and had a leadership type role in that group, our group strategy was to put people in the limelight who werent us.

I have no idea how that worked out (I haven't been following that game), but in my experience with these games, once you put your ideas on the table, you become a target. Just look at my situation in this game. I stated my strategy regarding you and suddenly I have 3 people picking apart my words insinuating (at least slightly) that I'm a vampire - you, BrianD, and SirFozzie.

Think about it this way. Here are the goals of this game:

Bad guys: Stay alive and keep other bad guys alive
Villagers: Find the bad guys

Right now, since the spotlight isn't on anyone, the bad guys have a huge advantage. They can (and should, from a strategic standpoint) just sit back and watch right now. The villagers have the active goal of trying to find the vampire. That's why the quiet types scare me early in the game. And why I'm trying to be active and do something.

[mrsimperless]

Hmmmm, I'm starting to wonder if our whole "spread the vote" strategy yesterday may have backfired on us. The problem was, not everybody spread the vote. We ended up with a 2-way race between Lathum and Blade and then some who were following the strategy. Let's assume for a minute that both Lathum and Blade were are innocent, which is probably very likely as we already know Lathum is innocent. The vamps probably wouldn't want to vote for either of these two as they didn't know which one would be lynched at the time of placing their votes and they didn't want to be associated with lynching an innocent and therefore be labeled a target. I think I'm going to look for a vampire to lynch tonight within the people that didn't vote for either of the two "popular" votes last night. This leaves:

me (not a vampire) - voted for ardent enthusiast
SirFozzie - voted for me
ntndeacon - voted for Fouts
Fouts - voted for BrianD
Kwhit - voted for SirFozzie
ardent enthusiast - voted for SirFozzie

Next step I'm going to go back and decide which of these gets my vote.

[jeff061]

Thats countered by the fact that innocents can be quiet for plenty of reasons, need to be careful when using that to build a case.

What you really need to look for are people with medium to maybe high post count, who have said nothing of substance and only agree with what's been said or bandwagon vote.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Being candid, as it was revealed at my death in the x-com game going on right now that i was an alien, and had a leadership type role in that group, our group strategy was to put people in the limelight who werent us. Now after hoops called me out, i had to become center stage, but we would talk about anyone and everyone, regardless of votes, as long as they werent us. Simple as that for my reasoning on you.

You know, I do read the threads for games that I'm not playing.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Thats countered by the fact that innocents can be quiet for plenty of reasons, need to be careful when using that to build a case.

Of course. And I agree with you. My reasoning for suggesting blade as a candidate was a "since we have nothing to go on, yet, me can always vote off the silent guy" strategy. He's not the silent guy any more, so I don't think he should be voted for.

My last couple of posts have been made trying to explain myself and my thinking and why if I were a vampire, it would have been very stupid to make the suggestion earlier to vote off blade.

Why do you think there's so little effective analysis going on? Because everyone is afraid to say anything at all meaningful because it draws attention and suspicion to themselves.

I'll go crawl under a rock for a while and let you guys sort it out. Trying to use strategy and logic is seeming to work against me.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

You know, I do read the threads for games that I'm not playing.

Hehe, I was thinking the same thing.

Kwit, I don't see any heat on you, other than one guy being defensive.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Whatever happened to the strategy of everyone voting for someone without a vote? That way the vampires have to make a move.

I think this might be a good idea.

[jeff061]

I don't think that idea is any better than using a random number generator.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by jeff061

I don't think that idea is any better than using a random number generator.

I agree. The problem is that the vampires don't necessarily have to make any noticable move if everyone spreads things out evenly because they would just need to make a subtle move to make sure they don't die. I think purposefully spreading out the votes prevents the formation of voting patterns and gives us less data to analyze.


As far as voting for Lathum on that comment. I agree that it wasn't much, but it was really all I had to vote on, unless I wanted to vote randomly.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by jeff061

I don't think that idea is any better than using a random number generator.

So we should use the random number generator?

[mrsimperless]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Hehe, I was thinking the same thing.

Kwit, I don't see any heat on you, other than one guy being defensive.

Kwhit is on my short list, if you want to call that "heat".

Anyway, I'm starting to lean away from the two who voted for SirFozzie last night... KWhit and ardent.

That leaves Fouts, ntndeacon and sirfozzie...

[jeff061]

heh, I don't think I was getting at that.

[KevinNU7]

I'm sticking to yesterdays vote, I don't think Blade has proven himself. Plus I feel like getting some votes out there will cause discussion which is what we need to find the vampires

I vote for Blade

[Schmidty]

I voted for Lathum yesterday, so today I'll vote for:

Vote Blade

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

You know, I do read the threads for games that I'm not playing.

I thought of that, but im quite confident with the way you guys are going, this will mean didly squat. You guys are pushing down one path, and this will push you further down that path. I am 99% sure it wont send you down the path that would hurt my teamates, as your all soo focused on soo few. But hey, it got you guys me so keep pushing.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I voted for Lathum yesterday, so today I'll vote for:

Vote Blade

wow, i see kevin's view point, but thats just idiotic schmidty...with me down 2-0 now, the aliens no longer have to do a thing...just sit back and watch me get lynched...im holding off voting till some discussion goes down, and id ask the same from you...dont needlessly kill a villager

(note to self, add schmidty as second person on watch list...keep kevin on trust list so far)

[illinifan999]

I vote ntndeacon

Call me the village idiot, but no real reason other than well no real reason I guess. Sorry. I'll probably change my vote if someone puts in a good argument for someone else.

[mrsimperless]

Well, we don't have much to go on at this point. My short list is down to three and I need to pick one... Fouts has been pretty quiet this game, and something doesn't feel right.

Vote Fouts

[SirFozzie]

Fouts has been real quiet over in the XCom WW game, too. (of course, things are really going crazy over there right now).

My thoughts, we had a good situation with the folks spreading their votes, and making the vamps working, trying to make the vampires force to bandwagon on folks to take the heat off themselves. That did happen, whether the folks who did it are vampires are not, only they know (although I'd really like to find out).

I think I'll vote for ardent enthusiast My reasoning: why would someone, even a rookie, pick someone at random.. UNLESS he knew no matter who he picked, he would get a non-vampire?

[Poli]

Never thought of it that way. You're wrong, but it's an interesting thought.

[ntndeacon]

I wonder about the random number generator to pick your person too. Especially since he compared it to the guy in the first season of survivor who voted alphabetically. (That guy got booted pretty quickly).

[Fouts]

Sorry, I'm a west coast guy so I don't get on till the afternoon. I thought jumping on the bandwagon was bad, now I can't randomly choose someone either?

I have no idea who is the vampire, but I'll take a look at some of the late bandwagon votes.

[Fouts]

I have to head out for class tonight, so I need to get my vote in now.

After doing some research, I'm going to vote for the guy who sealed Lathum's fate with the last vote.

I vote Schmidty

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

wow, i see kevin's view point, but thats just idiotic schmidty...with me down 2-0 now, the aliens no longer have to do a thing...just sit back and watch me get lynched...im holding off voting till some discussion goes down, and id ask the same from you...dont needlessly kill a villager

(note to self, add schmidty as second person on watch list...keep kevin on trust list so far)

In all honesty, I could care less if I'm on anyone's watch list anymore. I always go in the first few days anyway, and it's kind of becoming fun to watch villagers (as I am yet again) screw themselves over after I'm gone.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I have to head out for class tonight, so I need to get my vote in now.

After doing some research, I'm going to vote for the guy who sealed Lathum's fate with the last vote.

I vote Schmidty

Stupid vote. Sorry, but it is.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by mrsimperless

Well, we don't have much to go on at this point. My short list is down to three and I need to pick one... Fouts has been pretty quiet this game, and something doesn't feel right.

Vote Fouts

You're right. And now he's trying to put attention on me to get attention off himself. Also, he never adressed your vote for him:

Unote Blade

Vote Fouts

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

You're right. And now he's trying to put attention on me to get attention off himself. Also, he never adressed your vote for him:

Unote Blade

Vote Fouts

Why is it a stupid vote? You were the deciding vote that lynched Lathum. I can understand why you would vote for me, since I voted for you.

I did address mrsimperless' vote on me, I don't get online until late, which is why I'm quiet in the mornings.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Why is it a stupid vote? You were the deciding vote that lynched Lathum. I can understand why you would vote for me, since I voted for you.

I did address mrsimperless' vote on me, I don't get online until late, which is why I'm quiet in the mornings.

I'm a villager, yet again. I explained yesterday as to why I voted late. I don't think that constitutes a vote for me.

It's all good though, I'm not mad. This is Werewolf, so anything goes!

[Blade6119]

Well, deciding vote on the first day doesnt mean much, especially from fouts to me, but in my mind schmidty voted for lathum first day when he was a favorite to go, and voted today for me when the only vote out there was for me...

Note, im still very open to chaging this as its a shaky vote at best, but he seems to be bandwagoning and didnt give me a reason other then i got a lot of votes on the first day(which seems like an vampire strat, vote for ever is likely to go, hence saving your own ass)...with the fact im open to change in mind:

Vote Schmidty

[jeff061]

Vote Blade

Though by no means does this absolve Fouts of any guilt he may have, he tends to get louder when evil and I see nothing incriminating about him. If this turns into a vote of one or the other I'd rather see Blade skewered.

Blade's reasoning on Schmidty would of fit me if Blade and Lathum's vote totals were switched, as I wasn't going to be voting for Lathum either way.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Vote Blade

Though by no means does this absolve Fouts of any guilt he may have, he tends to get louder when evil and I see nothing incriminating about him.

Hey jeff, this is my second game, and last one i was a little green skined
...but im loud all the time, ask ardent here...or illini, i bugged the hell out of him on AA

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well, deciding vote on the first day doesnt mean much, especially from fouts to me, but in my mind schmidty voted for lathum first day when he was a favorite to go, and voted today for me when the only vote out there was for me...

Note, im still very open to chaging this as its a shaky vote at best, but he seems to be bandwagoning and didnt give me a reason other then i got a lot of votes on the first day(which seems like an vampire strat, vote for ever is likely to go, hence saving your own ass)...with the fact im open to change in mind:

Vote Schmidty

Good job Vampire. Looks like you and/or Fouts are going to get a Villager again. I am pretty sure that one of you is a Vamp, since that person KNOWS that I'm a villager. I'm kind of hoping that I get a special power next game. I've been a villager 3 of 4 times, and the other time I was wolf who died randomly in the 2nd day.

Oh well.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Good job Vampire. Looks like you and/or Fouts are going to get a Villager again. I am pretty sure that one of you is a Vamp, since that person KNOWS that I'm a villager. I'm kind of hoping that I get a special power next game. I've been a villager 3 of 4 times, and the other time I was wolf who died randomly in the 2nd day.

Oh well.

Dont call me a vampire for going with the ONLY evidence ive seen so far...it was a toss-up between you and ardent's random number vote, and i only voted you since your affecting if i die or not and hes voting for nobodies...

As i said, give me a viewpoint on someone else and they get my vote...i just have very very little to go on right now...hence why i said it was so shaky...give me a damning fact about someone, even fouts who you voted for and im all over him.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Hey jeff, this is my second game, and last one i was a little green skined
...but im loud all the time, ask ardent here...or illini, i bugged the hell out of him on AA

Only because I owned you in AA.

[Fouts]

Well, sometimes you vote someone and see what happens. Schmidty got pretty defensive and I don't think he would get that loud if he were the vamp. Back to the drawing board.

Unvote Schmidty

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

Only because I owned you in AA.

Own is such a relative term..i got you that one time....ya, thats it...that one time!

[ntndeacon]

I vote for SirFozzie.

The main reason is I think his plan to "root out the vampires" might have done more to hide the vampires than to reveal them.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Well, sometimes you vote someone and see what happens. Schmidty got pretty defensive and I don't think he would get that loud if he were the vamp. Back to the drawing board.

Unvote Schmidty

I'm confused. Could this be a ploy to get me to unvote you? I'm tempted to, but I need to think on it. I'm getting confused like I was at the end of WWV.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I wonder about the random number generator to pick your person too. Especially since he compared it to the guy in the first season of survivor who voted alphabetically. (That guy got booted pretty quickly).

Got me, I barely remember it. I just remember the concept and thinking it was kind of cool.

If I think I know who the vampire is, I'll definitely vote for him, but right now I have no clue. I have to vote for someone, which is where the randomizer comes into play.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm confused. Could this be a ploy to get me to unvote you? I'm tempted to, but I need to think on it. I'm getting confused like I was at the end of WWV.

Just trying to find the bad guys. We have to root them out somehow. I'm quite surprised that the vampires would expose themselves to daylight. You would think they would hide in their coffins until it got dark.

[KWhit]

Vote Dubb93.

He's been very quiet and quickly jumped on the Lathum bandwagon last night. This is still up in the air and may be changed, but at this point I don't have much to go on.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I have no idea how that worked out (I haven't been following that game), but in my experience with these games, once you put your ideas on the table, you become a target. Just look at my situation in this game. I stated my strategy regarding you and suddenly I have 3 people picking apart my words insinuating (at least slightly) that I'm a vampire - you, BrianD, and SirFozzie.

Hang on there, I wasn't insinuating you are a vampire. My post was meant to be humorous. You know...a joke.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Hang on there, I wasn't insinuating you are a vampire. My post was meant to be humorous. You know...a joke.

Don't joke with me.

I have no sense of humor.







Oh yeah:

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Just trying to find the bad guys. We have to root them out somehow. I'm quite surprised that the vampires would expose themselves to daylight. You would think they would hide in their coffins until it got dark.

How cool would it be if Airhog put something like that into the rules? Maybe saying that the vampires couldn't post until 5:00 or 6:00 at night or something.

Probably not. It would make the game too easy once we figured it out, I guess.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Vote Dubb93.

He's been very quiet and quickly jumped on the Lathum bandwagon last night. This is still up in the air and may be changed, but at this point I don't have much to go on.

He still hasn't followed through on his promise from yesterday. That seems suspicious to me.

I vote Dubb93

[Poli]

Hmm. You guys all start voting for him and I may have to randomly select someone else.

Edit: Maybe I shouldn't. That defeats the initial random idea. If the rest of you vote on my randomly selected target, so be it.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Vote Dubb93.

He's been very quiet and quickly jumped on the Lathum bandwagon last night. This is still up in the air and may be changed, but at this point I don't have much to go on.

This seems like a better point then mine for schmidty..hadnt noticed he wasnt around, and he said he would be...

Unvote Schmidty

Vote Dubb93