NFL Week 1 Discussion Thread - Revis signs, HBO rejoices - Page 4

Tigercat · 09-09-2010, 11:00 PM

Dola, surprised this is such a defensive struggle. Both defenses have played smart, solid football throughout.

TroyF · 09-09-2010, 11:01 PM

Sometimes I just shake my head at officials and TV commentators. That wasn't even questionable, he caught the ball. His hands were under it, the second bounce clearly didn't hit the ground.

The Vikings were screwed on a replay call last year in the NFC title game and just got screwed again. The Saints are starting to become the new look Patriots, they can do no wrong and get EVERY break they need.

TroyF · 09-09-2010, 11:03 PM

FWIW, I don't think it's been a defensive struggle. I think the Vikes defense has been horrific for most of the game. The Saints are dropping passes, just overthrowing passes, tripping over their own two feet. . . and have now missed two FG. The Vikings got screwed on the replay call, but they are really lucky to be in this.

Lathum · 09-09-2010, 11:04 PM

Jesus Meachem

Tigercat · 09-09-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

The Vikings were screwed on a replay call last year in the NFC title game and just got screwed again. The Saints are starting to become the new look Patriots, they can do no wrong and get EVERY break they need.

That was just a tough break, hard to even see on replay if the bounce was off the ground or not, much less live.

As far as calls, doesn't help when Vikings players protest up and down the field, claiming PI, when they are the ones that intitiate and do almost all the pushing.

$@#$@#!! Hartley can't kick in the regular season!

TroyF · 09-09-2010, 11:09 PM

Sorry Tigercat, to me it wasn't close on the replay. He clearly had his hands under that football.

Lathum · 09-09-2010, 11:11 PM

This has been a brutal game

Suicane75 · 09-09-2010, 11:17 PM

That pretty much puts the frosting on the turd.

Tigercat · 09-09-2010, 11:19 PM

Brees and the receiving corps just aren't as in sync tonight. Thats what a timing passing attack, using many different receivers, but only practicing with limited playing time over the course of 3 preseason games will do, I guess.

I think Brees has just been a little off his normal game tonight too.

bhlloy · 09-09-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

Brees and the receiving corps just aren't as in sync tonight. Thats what a timing passing attack, using many different receivers, but only practicing with limited playing time over the course of 3 preseason games will do, I guess.

I think Brees has just been a little off his normal game tonight too.

Yeah what a terrible 75% completion, 237 yards with 0 interceptions night for Brees. How will he live with himself

I do know what you mean, they've been just off on a couple of big plays. Still pretty impressive and if it wasn't for Hartley missing a couple of gimmes would have been a decently comfortable win in the end against a very, very good defense.

spleen1015 · 09-09-2010, 11:29 PM

Vikings are toast without Rice from the looks of it.

bhlloy · 09-09-2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Vikings are toast without Rice from the looks of it.

Yeah when you are so not open that even Brett Favre won't throw you the ball, you know you aren't doing a good job of runnning your routes. Once the Saints cottoned on to the fact that the only Minnesota players being open were the TE's, they pretty much shut the passing game down.

Izulde · 09-09-2010, 11:58 PM

Nice si.com typo here:

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Originally Posted by si.com

Adrian Peterson , who rushed for 122 yards and three TDs in the last meeting, rushed for 87 yards on 219 carries against New Orleans' stingy defense.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 09-10-2010, 12:01 AM

HYPEgame

weak sauce. all around.

Groundhog · 09-10-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Nice si.com typo here:

lol... was just about to post that. Sheesh, New Orleans really have their run D in order, but man, maybe the Vikes should look to mix it up a little with some passes!

Scoobz0202 · 09-10-2010, 12:22 AM

Damn. 0.39 ypc. I knew his ypc had been decreasing the past few seasons but DAYUM

Mustang · 09-10-2010, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Nice si.com typo here:

Hmm.. 219 carries? Sounds like they need to adjust some sliders and go to a 25 second accelerated runoff.

Ksyrup · 09-10-2010, 08:45 AM

That was a pretty boring and not well played game. I found myself turning to the Auburn game as there seemed to be more tension, excitement, and energy going throughout that game (although predictably, MSU couldn't pull out the win). But that's been my trend the past few years (college over pro), so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by my choice.

Honolulu_Blue · 09-10-2010, 10:00 AM

I agree. Pretty dull game. I turned to the Auburn game as well. Also, "Sure Thing" was playing on one of those Encore channels. I watched quite a bit of that during the game as well. I forgot how much I enjoyed that movie.

jbergey22 · 09-10-2010, 10:24 AM

Vikings need to get a reciver. Favre played horrible tonight and Im thinking it is because he had no options to throw to once they started covering Shiancoe. Childress screwed the pooch in the 2nd half by not going to AP who looked like he was set up for a 150 yard game in the first half.

All in all I think last nights game gives me a good outlook on the season. They played the Saints to a 5 point game while just playing completely horrible. The defensive backs played a great game which I cant remember saying once last year.

Congrats to the Saints. Very nice win to start the season.

Tigercat · 09-10-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

The defensive backs played a great game which I cant remember saying once last year..

I think the Vikes DBs did pretty well as well, but I think a lot of it had to do with schemes too. Some very good zone coverages were thrown out there to take away many of the medium and long distance routes that Brees likes to connect on.

DeToxRox · 09-10-2010, 05:06 PM

Pat White signs a baseball deal with the Royals.

albionmoonlight · 09-10-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Vikings need to get a reciver. Favre played horrible tonight and Im thinking it is because he had no options to throw to once they started covering Shiancoe. Childress screwed the pooch in the 2nd half by not going to AP who looked like he was set up for a 150 yard game in the first half.

All in all I think last nights game gives me a good outlook on the season. They played the Saints to a 5 point game while just playing completely horrible. The defensive backs played a great game which I cant remember saying once last year.

Congrats to the Saints. Very nice win to start the season.

I totally expected Harvin to be the man this season. Clearly, Favre does not trust him at all.

bhlloy · 09-10-2010, 05:59 PM

I dunno, I don't think expecting Harvin to be a true #1, every situation WR is very realistic. A guy who will catch a lot of short passes in the hopes he can break a big one, and a guy who is a massive downfield threat, sure. But he really doesn't have the route running, the size or the great hands to be a guy that you look for to be the go-to-guy in obvious passing situations IMO. Rice was becoming that guy, but the Vikes don't have anybody else who is even close to that on the roster. Camarillo looked like the best receiver on Thursday IMO and for some reason Childress didn't have him in the game all that much.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 09-10-2010, 06:12 PM

obviously minny dosesn't feel great about the wr's or they wouldn't be scouring the waiver wire. still, i think it was a perfect storm of shittiness last night and would expect their passing game to get better.

Greyroofoo · 09-11-2010, 04:34 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/N...on-vote-091110

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NEW YORK (AP)

The NFL Players Association is handing out voting cards to the players that could lead to decertification of the union.

A person familiar with the union's plans tells The Associated Press that players from all 32 teams will be asked to consider decertification, which could prevent the owners from locking out the players after the collective bargaining agreement expires in March.

The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the union has not announced its plans.

Should the union decertify, it could have the right to sue the league under antitrust laws if the players are locked out.

The story was first reported by the Sports Business Journal.

k0ruptr · 09-11-2010, 04:58 PM

I still have hope that Harvin will turn into a number 1 the more the season goes on. I def think he can still be a deep thread, but maybe only 60-70 catches? i dunno

sabotai · 09-11-2010, 05:22 PM

What would be the drawbacks for decertification?

Young Drachma · 09-11-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Pat White signs a baseball deal with the Royals.

A former 4th round pick, he's been drafted consistently each year after that. Still young, so if he can hit at all...you'd have to like his chances in a few years.

RedKingGold · 09-11-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

What would be the drawbacks for decertification?

Profootballtalk.com breaks it down pretty accurately:

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NFLPA decertification vote could ensure NFL football in 2011

Posted by Mike Florio on September 11, 2010 3:51 PM ET
With fans celebrating the return of the NFL season, the NFLPA is providing us all with regular reminders that the league and the players are on a collision course for a potential work stoppage.

But the news this time is good, at least for the fans.

The union believes that the owners will lock the players out and/or unilaterally impose the league's last, best offer as new work rules. And so the NFLPA reportedly is laying the foundation for a move that would set the stage for another class-action antitrust lawsuit, and that necessarily would allow football to continue, while the lawyers clean up all details.

Liz Mullen of SportsBusiness Journal reports that all players will be asked to vote to authorize decertification. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that the Saints already have voted unanimously to allow decertification.

Decertification would be used either to block a lockout or to combat the unilateral imposition of work rules by the league. Put simply, if the NFLPA decertifies, the league would then be required to promulgate player acquisition and retention rules on an across-the-board basis. The union then would sue the league, arguing that the imposition of standard rules regarding player acquisition and retention among 32 different businesses constitutes a violation of antitrust laws.

The union applied the same approach after the failed strike of 1987. And the union's ability to at least attempt the move was validated by the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling earlier this year in the American Needle case. Though the lengthy written opinion of the Court contains language suggesting that the NFL could defeat an antritust challenge in the context of labor relations, the outcome preserves the ability of the union to pursue the antitrust route.

Still, the move likely would prevent a work stoppage. And if the NFL were to attack the move by calling it a sham (Mullen points out the league has done this before), it would be very easy for the union to point out to the fans that they are doing everything they can to ensure that football will continue -- and that the NFL is trying to take it away.

Either way, as we get ready to enjoy Week One of the 2010 regular season, this development encourages us that there will be a Week One in 2011.

NFLPA decertification vote could ensure NFL football in 2011 | ProFootballTalk.com

Chubby · 09-12-2010, 12:50 PM

Bills still undefeated this season

SQUISH THE FISH!

Coffee Warlord · 09-12-2010, 01:01 PM

And we commence Lovie's triumphant march to unemployment.

Greyroofoo · 09-12-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

And we commence Lovie's triumphant march to unemployment.

I love the beginning of an NFL season!

Fans are always so full of optimism...

DaddyTorgo · 09-12-2010, 01:11 PM

Aaron Hernandez for the Pats!!!

45yd catch-and-run on the Pats 3rd play!

Coffee Warlord · 09-12-2010, 01:12 PM

Cutler did have an absolutely gorgeous TD bomb pass that was horribly dropped.

DaddyTorgo · 09-12-2010, 01:13 PM

TD pats on their 5th play!!

Gronk and Crumpler blocked for Welker on a WR screen out to the left. That's going to be lethal...having 2 TE's able to block for Welker on those screens...they'll just eat up DB's.

fpres · 09-12-2010, 01:17 PM

Field goal for the Texans...up 3-0 on Indy.

Houston gets the ball inside the 10, but (once again) cannot punch it into the endzone.

kingfc22 · 09-12-2010, 01:25 PM

And Cutler throws his first INT of the season. LOL

Coffee Warlord · 09-12-2010, 01:28 PM

Hell, he got lucky that 2 balls earlier weren't picked off, too.

fpres · 09-12-2010, 01:30 PM

Rackers hits a 49-yarder. Texans up on Indy, 6-0.

It's early of course, but Rackers is looking like a definite upgrade over Kris Brown from last season.

DaddyTorgo · 09-12-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

And Cutler throws his first INT of the season. LOL

Why are Denver fans so angry that McDaniels got rid of him again?? I don't get it.

ColtCrazy · 09-12-2010, 01:31 PM

So Polian rips the Colts line after the SB...then does little to upgrade it. Manning may get sacked and hit more than ever this year.

DaddyTorgo · 09-12-2010, 01:35 PM

FUMBLE...RECOVERED BY THE PATS!!

Dude was never touched by a Bengal - that play shoulda still been live.

Coffee Warlord · 09-12-2010, 01:44 PM

Attention Greg Olsen - Cutler is supposed to turn it over in the red zone, not you.

Bearcat729 · 09-12-2010, 01:45 PM

Hopefully no one started Harrison on their fantasy team this week. Mangini hasn't given him a carry today

ColtCrazy · 09-12-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat729

Hopefully no one started Harrison on their fantasy team this week. Mangini hasn't given him a carry today

Thankfully, the guy I'm playing did.

fpres · 09-12-2010, 01:54 PM

Beautiful 80-yard TD drive capped off with a Schaub TD strike. 13-0 Texans.

ColtCrazy · 09-12-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fpres

Beautiful 80-yard TD drive capped off with a Schaub TD strike. 13-0 Texans.

Grrr. No protection. No defense. No Sanders...again. I know they'll be good, but I have a feeling the Texans get us today.

Izulde · 09-12-2010, 01:59 PM

I'm happy to have both Brady and Welker on my fantasy team and starting.

I'd love to win this week over my fraternal big brother who is a Bills fan.

09-09-2010, 11:29 PM	#162
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Vikings are toast without Rice from the looks of it. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

09-10-2010, 08:45 AM	#169
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	That was a pretty boring and not well played game. I found myself turning to the Auburn game as there seemed to be more tension, excitement, and energy going throughout that game (although predictably, MSU couldn't pull out the win). But that's been my trend the past few years (college over pro), so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by my choice. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

09-10-2010, 10:00 AM	#170
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	I agree. Pretty dull game. I turned to the Auburn game as well. Also, "Sure Thing" was playing on one of those Encore channels. I watched quite a bit of that during the game as well. I forgot how much I enjoyed that movie. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

09-10-2010, 06:12 PM	#176
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	obviously minny dosesn't feel great about the wr's or they wouldn't be scouring the waiver wire. still, i think it was a perfect storm of shittiness last night and would expect their passing game to get better. Last edited by NorvTurnerOverdrive : 09-10-2010 at 06:12 PM.

09-11-2010, 04:58 PM	#178
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	I still have hope that Harvin will turn into a number 1 the more the season goes on. I def think he can still be a deep thread, but maybe only 60-70 catches? i dunno __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

09-09-2010, 11:00 PM	#151
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	Dola, surprised this is such a defensive struggle. Both defenses have played smart, solid football throughout.

09-09-2010, 11:01 PM	#152
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Sometimes I just shake my head at officials and TV commentators. That wasn't even questionable, he caught the ball. His hands were under it, the second bounce clearly didn't hit the ground. The Vikings were screwed on a replay call last year in the NFC title game and just got screwed again. The Saints are starting to become the new look Patriots, they can do no wrong and get EVERY break they need.

09-09-2010, 11:03 PM	#153
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	FWIW, I don't think it's been a defensive struggle. I think the Vikes defense has been horrific for most of the game. The Saints are dropping passes, just overthrowing passes, tripping over their own two feet. . . and have now missed two FG. The Vikings got screwed on the replay call, but they are really lucky to be in this.

09-09-2010, 11:04 PM	#154
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Jesus Meachem

09-09-2010, 11:09 PM	#156
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Sorry Tigercat, to me it wasn't close on the replay. He clearly had his hands under that football.

09-09-2010, 11:11 PM	#157
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	This has been a brutal game

09-09-2010, 11:17 PM	#158
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	That pretty much puts the frosting on the turd.

09-09-2010, 11:19 PM	#159
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	Brees and the receiving corps just aren't as in sync tonight. Thats what a timing passing attack, using many different receivers, but only practicing with limited playing time over the course of 3 preseason games will do, I guess. I think Brees has just been a little off his normal game tonight too.

09-10-2010, 12:01 AM	#165
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	HYPEgame weak sauce. all around.

09-10-2010, 12:22 AM	#167
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Damn. 0.39 ypc. I knew his ypc had been decreasing the past few seasons but DAYUM

09-10-2010, 10:24 AM	#171
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Vikings need to get a reciver. Favre played horrible tonight and Im thinking it is because he had no options to throw to once they started covering Shiancoe. Childress screwed the pooch in the 2nd half by not going to AP who looked like he was set up for a 150 yard game in the first half. All in all I think last nights game gives me a good outlook on the season. They played the Saints to a 5 point game while just playing completely horrible. The defensive backs played a great game which I cant remember saying once last year. Congrats to the Saints. Very nice win to start the season.

09-10-2010, 05:06 PM	#173
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Pat White signs a baseball deal with the Royals.

09-10-2010, 05:59 PM	#175
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I dunno, I don't think expecting Harvin to be a true #1, every situation WR is very realistic. A guy who will catch a lot of short passes in the hopes he can break a big one, and a guy who is a massive downfield threat, sure. But he really doesn't have the route running, the size or the great hands to be a guy that you look for to be the go-to-guy in obvious passing situations IMO. Rice was becoming that guy, but the Vikes don't have anybody else who is even close to that on the roster. Camarillo looked like the best receiver on Thursday IMO and for some reason Childress didn't have him in the game all that much.

09-11-2010, 05:22 PM	#179
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	What would be the drawbacks for decertification?

09-12-2010, 12:50 PM	#182
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Bills still undefeated this season SQUISH THE FISH!

09-12-2010, 01:01 PM	#183
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	And we commence Lovie's triumphant march to unemployment.

09-12-2010, 01:11 PM	#185
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Aaron Hernandez for the Pats!!! 45yd catch-and-run on the Pats 3rd play! Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 09-12-2010 at 01:11 PM.

09-12-2010, 01:12 PM	#186
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Cutler did have an absolutely gorgeous TD bomb pass that was horribly dropped.

09-12-2010, 01:13 PM	#187
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	TD pats on their 5th play!! Gronk and Crumpler blocked for Welker on a WR screen out to the left. That's going to be lethal...having 2 TE's able to block for Welker on those screens...they'll just eat up DB's.

09-12-2010, 01:17 PM	#188
fpres High School JV Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Houston, Texas	Field goal for the Texans...up 3-0 on Indy. Houston gets the ball inside the 10, but (once again) cannot punch it into the endzone. Last edited by fpres : 09-12-2010 at 01:17 PM.

09-12-2010, 01:25 PM	#189
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	And Cutler throws his first INT of the season. LOL __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

09-12-2010, 01:28 PM	#190
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Hell, he got lucky that 2 balls earlier weren't picked off, too.

09-12-2010, 01:30 PM	#191
fpres High School JV Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Houston, Texas	Rackers hits a 49-yarder. Texans up on Indy, 6-0. It's early of course, but Rackers is looking like a definite upgrade over Kris Brown from last season.

09-12-2010, 01:31 PM	#193
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	So Polian rips the Colts line after the SB...then does little to upgrade it. Manning may get sacked and hit more than ever this year. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

09-12-2010, 01:35 PM	#194
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	FUMBLE...RECOVERED BY THE PATS!! Dude was never touched by a Bengal - that play shoulda still been live. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 09-12-2010 at 01:36 PM.

09-12-2010, 01:44 PM	#195
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Attention Greg Olsen - Cutler is supposed to turn it over in the red zone, not you.

09-12-2010, 01:45 PM	#196
Bearcat729 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio	Hopefully no one started Harrison on their fantasy team this week. Mangini hasn't given him a carry today __________________ Bearcat729 on XBox Live and PSN

09-12-2010, 01:54 PM	#198
fpres High School JV Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Houston, Texas	Beautiful 80-yard TD drive capped off with a Schaub TD strike. 13-0 Texans.

09-12-2010, 01:59 PM	#200
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	I'm happy to have both Brady and Welker on my fantasy team and starting. I'd love to win this week over my fraternal big brother who is a Bills fan. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

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