Werewolf LXIII - Fall of the Elementals (Game Over - Avatars Win!)

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

That's the point: If he's good, then Cal Ripken has finally been benched. Its a win-win.

BUT YOUR DIDN"T HELP!!!!!!

YOU ARE LIKE FRANK DIAZ TAKING CREDIT FOR THE SUEZ CANAL!!!!!!!!

[Schmidty]

(I have no idea who Frank Diaz is. I made him up.)

[st.cronin]

Yeah, it wouldn't be a win for this particular game, I agree.

Ideal case: Lynch an avatar.
Next best case: have a meaningful vote (which we may well be doing, there's a number of candidates and some votes have moved).

[hoopsguy]

Also, I'm somewhat hindered from voting for SnDvls, even though it would create a three-way tie. If I do that, he can change his vote to me and I can no longer even force a tie, let alone keep myself one vote back.

So unless votes come off of me sometime soon I'm pretty much locked into a pure defensive vote today. Better Day 1 than later in a game, I guess, but I still greatly prefer putting a vote on someone based on an assumption of guilt.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yeah, it wouldn't be a win for this particular game, I agree.

Ideal case: Lynch an avatar.
Next best case: have a meaningful vote (which we may well be doing, there's a number of candidates and some votes have moved).

Lots of talking!!! No doing for you!!!!!

[Passacaglia]

Looks like I need to self preserve.

VOTE SNDVLS

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, I'm somewhat hindered from voting for SnDvls, even though it would create a three-way tie. If I do that, he can change his vote to me and I can no longer even force a tie, let alone keep myself one vote back.

So unless votes come off of me sometime soon I'm pretty much locked into a pure defensive vote today. Better Day 1 than later in a game, I guess, but I still greatly prefer putting a vote on someone based on an assumption of guilt.

hoops I won't move my vote to you as I believe we both are good

[Coffee Warlord]

My count, with little over an hour left...

Passa 3
Jeheinz 0
path12 1
SnDvls 3
PurdueBrad 1
Swaggs 0
Saldana 1
hoopsguy 3
clap 1

(zeros indicate people who had votes and were unvoted)

[SnDvls]

just want to say my power for the squid is that I get to randomly alter 1 power of another player

hope that helps me in this fight

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, is there anything in particular that I've posted, or are you going purely off of vibe at this point in assuming I'm good?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I hate day one votes.


VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, is there anything in particular that I've posted, or are you going purely off of vibe at this point in assuming I'm good?

totally vibe right now

the bad guys are laying real low today

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, how many of your powers are:
1. Day
2. Night
3. Your choice

I'm hoping you feel comfortable divulging this information to help us make a decision. I don't think this would hobble you too much in terms of playing out the game later.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

hoops I won't move my vote to you as I believe we both are good

Why? How can anyone believe that anyone is good on day one? No offenses but that sounds very much like political BS.

[hoopsguy]

9PM CST = one hour to go.

I'm pretty OK with a three horse race at this point - just hope one of the other two is an Avatar so we can learn something from this. The villager vs villager (vs villager) stuff on Day 1 is always a bummer.

[saldana]

unvote hoopsguy

for the record hoops, i never had any intention of leaving you on the block. i was taking a page out of blades book and making the tie to see if anyone came to try and rescue you.

[Coffee Warlord]

The Squiddy is hungry. The Squiddy wants food. The Squiddy gets to eat someone in an hour!

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, how many of your powers are:
1. Day
2. Night
3. Your choice

I'm hoping you feel comfortable divulging this information to help us make a decision. I don't think this would hobble you too much in terms of playing out the game later.

2 each day & night

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, I'm hoping that you will answer my question in Post #163 and that other players will not jump in and answer it before you get a chance to do so.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Why? How can anyone believe that anyone is good on day one? No offenses but that sounds very much like political BS.

guess you'll just have to wait and see who's plaing "political BS" but I don't...period

[hoopsguy]

Interesting - my powers do not match up with SnDvls answer. I'm not sure that is a hanging offense, but I would have felt more comfortable if they had.

[hoopsguy]

Do any elementals feel like confirming that they have a 2/2 day/night split on their powers to help validate SnDvls? I don't, and if no one else does then I'm officially worried.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, I'm hoping that you will answer my question in Post #163 and that other players will not jump in and answer it before you get a chance to do so.

I guess this tends to support my theory that there are at least 10-12 different powers in this game then as I was the 1st to state this too.

[path12]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

totally vibe right now

the bad guys are laying real low today

We have no idea if they are or not. That's what I hate about day 1.

[saldana]

so we have a tie with sun and pass now, correct

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by saldana

so we have a tie with sun and pass now, correct

By my count Passa is up 4-3 over Sun.

[hoopsguy]

I show SnDvls with one more vote. Here is my count, as of Post #175:

Pass - Lathum (68), Clap (77), SnDvls (119), JE (161)
SnDvls - Purdue (79), Cronin (105), Pass (156)
Hoops - BK (107), Schmidty (108)
Purdue - Path (90)
Saldana - MrW (93)
Clap - Swaggs (114)
Path - JEH (76)

Not voted: Saldana, Hoops

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I guess this tends to support my theory that there are at least 10-12 different powers in this game then as I was the 1st to state this too.

Right, I'm not suggesting that you and I have different powers (I don't have the one you mentioned) and different day/night breakouts as a reason to vote for you.

But, if no one else has a 2/2 split then I would believe that you guessed at the question I posed and were wrong. I don't want to rush to judgement, but as more people make their way into the thread and don't post "I've got a 2/2 split" then I grow a little more suspicious that this is what happened.

[st.cronin]

Hoops, I don't find that line of inquiry very revealing at all. I don't have a 2/2 split, BUT I wouldn't expect everybody to have the same splits.

[path12]

BTW hoops, I don't know whether to be relieved or disappointed that I won't have that goddamn necrophiliac duck quote staring me in the face day after day.

After brief reflection, relieved.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Hoops, I don't find that line of inquiry very revealing at all. I don't have a 2/2 split, BUT I wouldn't expect everybody to have the same splits.

If one other person has a 2/2 split, then I drop the line of inquiry.

[st.cronin]

Note: Its sleeting/raining here, there's some chance my internet could go boom.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, so far you and I don't have a 2/2 split. Other people have had a chance to comment and have not done so. Lathum, Pass, and Saldana are also in the thread at the moment, for example. Path has posted since SnDvls answered.

At what point, given a lack of backing on the 2/2 split, does it become a reasonable line of inquiry to you?

[saldana]

i am not a big fan of either one of these vote leaders, but, since someone has to get lynched

vote passacaglia

[st.cronin]

Probably not at any time. I'm guessing that most abilities are night abilities, so it seems perfectly likely that only one player would have a 2/2 split.

I'm not discounting your thinking, I'm just not on board with it.

[Coffee Warlord]

Point of clarification that someone asked. You can ONLY use powers during the day/night period where the proper sign is up. If you elect not to use your Squid power this time, you have to wait till the sign comes back up again.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Ah, see it is Post #39 - I didn't look back to the stuff from yesterday, just the stuff today when I thought we were officially underway. Thanks.

Hoops usualy doesn't miss anything. I know when I am a wolf I tend to not pay as close attention early on.

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE HOOPSGUY

I think I just created a tie but thems the breaks.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, so far you and I don't have a 2/2 split. Other people have had a chance to comment and have not done so. Lathum, Pass, and Saldana are also in the thread at the moment, for example. Path has posted since SnDvls answered.

At what point, given a lack of backing on the 2/2 split, does it become a reasonable line of inquiry to you?

i havent commented because i dont think it is a good idea to reveal our powers to the avatars. even by saying "i have a 2/2" split or "i have a 1/3" split, we are giving the avatars the ability to prioritize their targets.

[path12]

I think the longer we go without anyone else saying anything it becomes more interesting -- not damning, but interesting.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Hoops usualy doesn't miss anything. I know when I am a wolf I tend to not pay as close attention early on.

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE HOOPSGUY

I think I just created a tie but thems the breaks.

I was just sitting here thinking that hoops sure turned that pressure on him around yet again when you posted this.

[Coffee Warlord]

Passa 4
Jeheinz 0
path12 1
SnDvls 3
PurdueBrad 1
Swaggs 0
Saldana 1
hoopsguy 3
clap 1

[path12]

I don't think it's a tie though, I think it's still Pass 4 and SnD and hoops 3.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Hoops usualy doesn't miss anything. I know when I am a wolf I tend to not pay as close attention early on.

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE HOOPSGUY

I think I just created a tie but thems the breaks.

thats a pretty weak argument considering you had a conversation 5 hours ago with sndvls about the fact that he didnt even know who was playing the game.

[path12]

Never mind.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Hoops usualy doesn't miss anything. I know when I am a wolf I tend to not pay as close attention early on.

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE HOOPSGUY

I think I just created a tie but thems the breaks.

You can use the other argument - that a wolf has teammates who can communicate with him so he is up to speed on everything.

Or the idea that you pay more attention as a wolf as you have more to lose than you do as a vanilla villager.

Or how about this - that most Day 1's do not "partially start" a day early, and then "actually start" on the following page? In this particular case I looked at the first couple of posts and everything that started today (which was on Page 2).

If you want to vote for me, go for it. But this reason sucks imho.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

thats a pretty weak argument considering you had a conversation 5 hours ago with sndvls about the fact that he didnt even know who was playing the game.

what does that have anything to do with Hoops?

I'm not sure I understand where you are coming from here?


Also, it seems Hoops may be trying to get as much information from us before he potentialy gets lynched. Another wolfish tactic.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

If you want to vote for me, go for it. But this reason sucks imho.

as do most day 1 votes

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, from where I sit casting the early vote for someone, then moving it when they are the vote leader - with enough time for it to matter - to another candidate near the top smells like wolf protecting wolf action.

Probably being too paranoid there (it isn't that easy, right), but that is what it looks like from my "knowing I'm a villager" standpoint.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

what does that have anything to do with Hoops?

I'm not sure I understand where you are coming from here?


Also, it seems Hoops may be trying to get as much information from us before he potentialy gets lynched. Another wolfish tactic.

it means i find it interesting that you are using a "lack of paying attention" to vote for hoops, but you didnt have a problem with the fact that sndvls didnt even know who was playing.

[hoopsguy]

At least half of the active players have been in the thread in the last 30 minutes. I still haven't heard anyone state that they have a 2/2 split on powers.

I agree that this is giving away some information potentially, but it also allows us to make a more informed vote tonight. What if the game has all elementals with a 3/1 split in the same direction (note: I'm not asking anyone to volunteer this)?

If you think this notion is shaky, I would argue that it is based on a lot more than a "random vote".

VOTE SNDVLS