Werewolf Xtreme III --- Game Over (Result in Post 434)

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Jackal!!!! Let's Go Flyers!!!!

HELL YES

[The Jackal]

I'm not totally against Telle being a candidate today, but who else are we looking at? Render because he may not have felt threatened enough to be pushed over the edge? Someone like CF for the vote that didn't count and no other contribution? I know I was the other person in the voting because of Autumn's early vote and then disappearance. At the moment, as I said last night, I would really like to hear more from CF, an explanation of his faulty vote and just his take on things in general thus far

vote CrimsonFox

[JAG]

Day 2 Voting as of Post 152:

1 Telle - EagleFan (146)
1 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (152)

[timmae]

I'm ok discussing these 2 for a while today...

Coffee Warlord - I do not like his game so far. He is around but in a jokey and friendly way. Even his pushing is done with a jokey attitude. Seems like he doesn't want to make too many enemies. He's on my bad guy list.
CrimsonFox - 2 total posts... one a meta vote and then a vote that was wrongly formatted. Way too obvious for a sorc callout to his wolves but could be a wolfy.

[timmae]

Let's see what a two horse race gets us..

vote crimson fox

[Coffee Warlord]

Ha. Right as I was about to bring you up for last night.

Here's my concern with Timmae. He goes from an attitude of "Better we kill Telle than possibly kill a special villager", to jumping on the inactive train in a matter of moments. Bit weird for my taste.

[timmae]

Ok, let's try this then. To my trusted allies... Tell me why it isn't a coffee/crimson wolfy duo. Seems plausible to me but game theory is not my strong suit.

[EagleFan]

I would be curious about CW as well. Seemed like a somewhat in depth attempt to bring Telle to the forefront and then a more casual oh well at the end. Almost non-committal commitment.

[EagleFan]

I barely noticed CF, hard to call there as he was quiet for a while last game too.

[EagleFan]

Without knowing the true result of yesterday's vote who really knows if it was good or not.

[EagleFan]

We know Autumn was good. We have no idea about brit, even if he was a wolf the other wolf submits a kill so no clue for us.

Sorry, just thinking out loud.

[EagleFan]

Even if brit was a wolf it doesn't clear Telle because she wouldn't want to be lynched and leave an inactive lone remaining wolf.

Sorry, more out loud thinking.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I would be curious about CW as well. Seemed like a somewhat in depth attempt to bring Telle to the forefront and then a more casual oh well at the end. Almost non-committal commitment.

Intentionally so. It's non-committal because it's based on someone doing what they can to avoid a Day 1 lynch. It was very much worth discussion and still is, and I think the activity right at the end there is still very much interesting to look into. BUT, there's plenty of human nature/logic holes in the entire argument.

I'm aiming for discussion, not a hard accusation at this point.

[timmae]

Between Render and Telle I'd be more suspicious of render. Telle's been engaged with the vote counts and I agree was resigned to take the lynch until the last 5 minutes. Render knew the situation suited him ok. However, render did push autumn's read of my D1 so I give him credit for that. If he was a wolf then he wouldn't have drawn attention to that read as much as he'd want to keep the villager-villager info to himself and his partner. Unless they didn't know autumn was our non-confirmed seer at that point.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I barely noticed CF, hard to call there as he was quiet for a while last game too.

This one piqued my interest. Keep this in mind in case either CF or EF flip wolf.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by timmae

Ok, let's try this then. To my trusted allies... Tell me why it isn't a coffee/crimson wolfy duo. Seems plausible to me but game theory is not my strong suit.

It's really hard to say anything about CF at this point. Is it a wolf hiding in inactivity or are we picking off inactive villagers? Being this was my first game in awhile, I definitely forgot about it for a few hours yesterday while I was working, but it's been a long time since CF's last post

Honestly not sure what to make of CW, I see what you're saying about the jokey vibe, but it also feels like what I recall of CW's playstyle.

Also, not sure anyone is worthy of being a "trusted ally" at this point with 0 trusted reveals/trusted information

[The Jackal]

On that note, I'm curious about the posited priest reveal today. But something we didn't discuss yesterday / that I need to think through -- does the priest revealing brit's role help the village or wolves more? I guess it could depend on what the role is. In any event, it's good that they (if they are still alive) didn't reveal early, so we get more posts from people for consideration as we move to the next couple days

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by timmae

Between Render and Telle I'd be more suspicious of render. Telle's been engaged with the vote counts and I agree was resigned to take the lynch until the last 5 minutes. Render knew the situation suited him ok. However, render did push autumn's read of my D1 so I give him credit for that. If he was a wolf then he wouldn't have drawn attention to that read as much as he'd want to keep the villager-villager info to himself and his partner. Unless they didn't know autumn was our non-confirmed seer at that point.

What does that mean? Am I missing a reveal somewhere?

[timmae]

Originally I thought they should come out D2 but that was if our seer was still around. Now I am thinking D3 may be the better play if autumn was in fact the seer. Worst case for us in that scenario is that it is a 1 in 3 chance they hit the priest with the NK. That is if they know their sorc and we mislynch tonight. Worst case overall is that we could have off'd our inactive priest and then the wolfies NK'd our seer.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

What does that mean? Am I missing a reveal somewhere?

I am guessing there was a reason they went after Autumn with the NK. His hint at a N0 peek would have been me in his post. Is autumn one to leave hints in that scenario?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by timmae

I am guessing there was a reason they went after Autumn with the NK. His hint at a N0 peek would have been me in his post. Is autumn one to leave hints in that scenario?

I must be missing something. I don't see a hint at an N0 peek. Maybe I am completely blind here.

This worries me that Autumn was the seer and you are the sorcerer (think that is the role's name). I am hoping that is not the case. If it is, we're probably screwed (unless britt was a wolf than we still have a puncher's chance).

More thinking out loud.

[EagleFan]

Your day one actions don't show that, so that was just me thinking out loud.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Timmae turns it from a 3-1-1-1 to a 2-2-1-1. I think that's a fairly villager move. And the only point of interest so far ;-) Evening things out this early is good. Though picking Render and therefore keeping it between our WW couple maybe takes advantage of an existing "rivalry" in a way that can be counterproductive.

Here is what I am thinking was a peek. At least until the sorc false claims and draws out our true seer. Anything is possible in a game with no reveals.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I must be missing something. I don't see a hint at an N0 peek. Maybe I am completely blind here.

This worries me that Autumn was the seer and you are the sorcerer (think that is the role's name). I am hoping that is not the case. If it is, we're probably screwed (unless britt was a wolf than we still have a puncher's chance).

More thinking out loud.

I can't for the life of me see any hint of it either.

Per the rules, N0 Sorc and Seer scans are guaranteed "Not Seer/Not Wolf". So highly doubt it's Seer/Sorc, with that in mind.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I can't for the life of me see any hint of it either.

Per the rules, N0 Sorc and Seer scans are guaranteed "Not Seer/Not Wolf". So highly doubt it's Seer/Sorc, with that in mind.

That is good, the eliminates my bad theory. I misread that the sorcerer N0 would just be not seer, so that wouldn't be the case. Maybe a signal to the wolves that he is the sorcerer though, so they don't come after him?

Sorry, more thinking out loud. Just want to get some conversation going.

[EagleFan]

We may want to look at RendeR; after all, he has been pretty inactive...

j/k, couldn't resist

[EagleFan]

Jackal, what time is that Penguins game.... oh yeah...

[EagleFan]

Though I thought they were going to end up lucking into the top pick after that.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Jackal, what time is that Penguins game.... oh yeah...

again I am wishing for a fireball reaction FOFC

[The Jackal]

starting to lose hope that CF is going to show up

[Coffee Warlord]

Look who's in the thread now.

[CrimsonFox]

what's to hear? I sign up for games and forget about them

sorry

[EagleFan]

We have a CF sighting!!!

[The Jackal]

the CF bat signal worked perfectly

[EagleFan]

I am going to get something to eat. Will be on for a little while after that but I will be off from around 7:15 through close to the deadline (potentially after). Tonight is the only night that will happen. I may try to keep another window open so I can check in during down time.

[Coffee Warlord]

Here's where I'm at right now on Timmae.

I will say it again... inactives screwed us last game. I have no problem voting off someone inactive

I get what you are saying about inactives on D1 but it is just as easy to not do anything and try to skate by. Then D2 they pull the whoops card and buy another day. I am ok with letting them sit today but tomorrow they would need to show up big time or be gone.

Neutral on autumn and nothing on brit or mau.

Well, VV is better than risking a special. Darn inactives.

Ok, read back through Autumn to see if the wolves may have picked up on anything he said to think he may be our seer. He only had 3 posts D1 and this one jumps out. I could absolutely have been his N0 peek. Or they could have just decided to roll the dice and take out an experienced player.

I believe he went Telle -> Render -> Brit yesterday, for reference.

So we go from "Kill inactives" ... To being okay with voting Telle ... To back to jumping on the inactive train ... To today, deciding that Autumn is the seer (who was "Neutral" to him yesterday) and RNG selected him as the N0 scan.

That's just kinda all over the place, with some analysis thrown in that I just
mostly don't get.

Be nice to see some more people offer some views, but for now, I'm going here.

Vote timmae

[timmae]

Now we are getting discussion! Keep at it coffee. Who would be my partner?!!

[CrimsonFox]

what's this crap about my vote not counting?

[CrimsonFox]

I <3 you jackal

[CrimsonFox]

vote crimsonfox

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by timmae

Now we are getting discussion! Keep at it coffee. Who would be my partner?!!

hoopsguy, obviously!

Not a clue, we've have a whole day and a half to look at people. If I could figure out 2 wolves in a single day, in a game where roles aren't revealed at death, I'd be night 1 killed in every game I played.

I think you've been see-sawing a lot (as much as "a lot" applies to what, 24 hours), I think your analyses have been bizarre, and for me right now, it's you, Telle, or CF, who's just apparently lost his mind. And it was time to throw a vote down.

[The Jackal]

haha very helpful CF thank you

[CrimsonFox]

you are welcome

[CrimsonFox]

i can't argue with anything you have to say to me

i suck at this game and it depresses me

or maybe it's just life

[timmae]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

what's this crap about my vote not counting?

You didn't unvote i think. But I am all over the place so whatevs.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by timmae

You didn't unvote i think. But I am all over the place so whatevs.

yes you did not unvote before voting for the 2nd time

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

yes you did not unvote before voting for the 2nd time

i forgot that was a thing. literally no other site uses that
sorry telle

i didn't want to screw her again with a vote like that and it seems i did anyway

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

i can't argue with anything you have to say to me

i suck at this game and it depresses me

or maybe it's just life

well read over the thread and give us your genuine thoughts then, assuming they are villager thoughts and not wolf or sorcerer thoughts

not being able to be active doesnt = sucking at this game, and we've mostly all been in a place where we forgot about it or got distracted by life commitments, but you can still contribute here!

[The Jackal]

render, you awake yet?

[The Jackal]

2 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (152), timmae (155)
1 Telle - EagleFan (146)
1 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186)