WW IL - Do Werewolves Dream of Electric Sheep? Game Over, page 36

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Human checking in. I just woke up after having some crazy dream about New York City.

NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!

Vote Passacaglia

[Passacaglia]

Shouldn't that be Pace-acaglia?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Shouldn't that be Pace-acaglia?

I haven't read the story or seen the movie, so forgive me if I ask stupid questions.

Going back to st.cronin's thought, it seems unlikely to me that in a game with no role reveal for those shipped to Mars that there would be unclarity with someone knowing they are a replicant or not. But if there's a movie/book reason, that's different.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

It's interesting since there is a replicant who can scan people. To me that only increases the odds that DT is a bad guy. Last time he seemed to slip up on Day 1 we let him go. I don't want to make that mistake again.

The DT thing is weird. I agree.

But I think the more compelling information from today is the fact that Swaggs and Ardent seem to have the same dream/memories.

I think that HAS to mean one of them is a replicant. We need them both scanned, ASAP.

Again, here's my suggestion (just to make sure one of them isn't scanned twice):

Holden scans Swaggs.
Deckard scans Ardent.

Now, I don't think Holden and Deckard should reveal themselves or their findings yet. But at this point, I think we should focus our votes on one (or both) of those guys.

Swaggs is a bit more likely to be human, I believe, since he came out and said he had the same dream. That means it is very likely that he is either human or is a replicant who doesn't know it. So, I'm going to vote for Ardent.

VOTE ARDENT

[st.cronin]

Does anybody have any thoughts about what Tyrell and Sebastian may do for the wolves? I asked last night, but nobody has responded.

[RendeR]

The replicants believe those two can fix their shutdown timer so they can live forever.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Does anybody have any thoughts about what Tyrell and Sebastian may do for the wolves? I asked last night, but nobody has responded.

"The replicants win either when they gain 1:1 parity with the remaining humans or if they find both the players designated Tyrell and Sebastian."

Although I'm not sure what "find" means. Do they have to know who the identity of each is, or do they have to capture them or something? And what happens if they know who one is but then we send that person off to Mars?

[Passacaglia]

Without thinking about it too much, I'd think it would be hard to find someone sent off to Mars.

[Passacaglia]

Which is maybe why roles aren't revealed in that case?

[Telle]

I meant if they're sent off to Mars AFTER the replicants figure out who they are. Basically relates to my question of whether they just need to know who those two people are or if they need to actually take some action.

[Swaggs]

I will, most likely, be back before the deadline, but I want to get a vote out in case I am not.

Vote DT

A day one vote, so anything goes, but I am a little in agreement with Barkeep here.

[KWhit]

Am I the only one that thinks it odd and highly suspicious that Ardent and Swaggs have the same memories/dreams?

[path12]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Am I the only one that thinks it odd and highly suspicious that Ardent and Swaggs have the same memories/dreams?

I find it strange because there doesn't seem to have been any other doubles, but I'm not sure if it means anything or not. I tend to trust that Swiggs fella for coming out with it after Ardent already did -- but I guess it's as good a point as any to start with on scans.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You're no LoneStarGirl.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Am I the only one that thinks it odd and highly suspicious that Ardent and Swaggs have the same memories/dreams?

As I've said, I do find it interesting. Path points out that there haven't been any other doubles, but we don't really know that - I think only Alan and Pass have described their dreams, other than those two. Also, for the sake of argument, ardent never said his comment was a reference to a dream, it could be a reference to something else.

[LoneStarGirl]

I haven't read the book or seen the movie, so this game might be a little over my head, so forgive me up front...

It seems that there is a lot more going on this day one than normal day ones.

And I described my dream, it only said I got a bike.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

As I've said, I do find it interesting. Path points out that there haven't been any other doubles, but we don't really know that - I think only Alan and Pass have described their dreams, other than those two. Also, for the sake of argument, ardent never said his comment was a reference to a dream, it could be a reference to something else.

Well considering Render wanted to vote for anyone who shared their dreams as a replicant, I understand why others have been hesitant to do so thus far. It seems pretty obvious that the dream is sort of "out there" from nature, so I wouldn't have been too shocked if others had very off the wall dreams. I didn't just vote right back at Render for it, but I am curious to why he didn't have such a vivid dream of any such. Was I the only one who had quite a weird dream?

I've never read the books or seen the movie, so maybe I am just missing something here.

[ntndeacon]

Several people have described their dream. Pass said his was of New York. None of them matched mine. I keep dreaming of my dad.

[st.cronin]

I don't have any memory of my dream, other than that it was a sex dream - tangle left all details out.

My concern about the ardent thing is that its just too easy. It doesn't feel like the way a gm would set up the game.

[Lathum]

I was in San Diego in my dream. It also mentioned a giant ping pong ball and Janice Joplin?

I also have never read the book or seen the movie

[Telle]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't have any memory of my dream, other than that it was a sex dream - tangle left all details out.

My concern about the ardent thing is that its just too easy. It doesn't feel like the way a gm would set up the game.

Actually, that sounds like my dream too.

[ntndeacon]

anyone dreaming of Janis playing ping pong must be bad. She preferred regular tennis.

Vote Lathum

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

anyone dreaming of Janis playing ping pong must be bad. She preferred regular tennis.

Vote Lathum

care to share your dream?

[Lathum]

dola- in more detail?

[ntndeacon]

sure but my vote had nothing to do with my dream, Lathum

[ntndeacon]

my dream was about my dad at the lake. I was trying to keep him near me but he left anyway.

[Lathum]

NTN will be my vote tomorrow.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

NTN will be my vote tomorrow.

I don't get it.. I didnt get his vote for you either though... But if you feel strongly about that why arent you making him your vote today? Why are you waiting till tommorrow?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't get it.. I didnt get his vote for you either though... But if you feel strongly about that why arent you making him your vote today? Why are you waiting till tommorrow?

+1

[twothree]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.

I did not get a message that included future tennis stardom. Also, ardent enthusiast posted that he was a tennis star human, not that he had a memory about it.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

I tend to trust that Swiggs fella for coming out with it after Ardent already did -- but I guess it's as good a point as any to start with on scans.

One thing that just occured to me is this cuts the other way too. Suppose you're ardent, and you're a wolf. Are you going to come right out and say what's in your pm? I'm thinking no, not unless somebody else does first. I actually think its equally likely that Swaggs is a wolf.

[twothree]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Am I the only one that thinks it odd and highly suspicious that Ardent and Swaggs have the same memories/dreams?

I don't see how you think Ardent posting, "Ardent, the tennis star human, checking in." means he had a memory/dream about being a human tennis star. Unless you only read Swaggs post and did not go back and read ardent enthusiast post.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am going to vote for Render because last game he showed what a great wolf he was and this game he started out by blaming three people on a whim. Of course there are over 6 hours left and I will be online so I can change this if need be

vote render

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

One thing that just occured to me is this cuts the other way too. Suppose you're ardent, and you're a wolf. Are you going to come right out and say what's in your pm? I'm thinking no, not unless somebody else does first. I actually think its equally likely that Swaggs is a wolf.

I've come to the decision that I am taking the similar dream thing to be just white noise for us to siff through. That it speaks no less or more of Ardent or Swaggs's wolfishness. Since Telle came out stating she had a dream similar to someone else, it seems to suggest that others might have overlapping or at least similar dreams. I don't see any significance of what my dream was about to anything in the game, so I think they were put in for fun or for flavor.

People can vote for Ardent or Swaggs if they want, as its day 1 and I don't have anything else better to offer up, just stating what I feel about the similar dream theory.

[st.cronin]

I agree the dreams are most likely just flavor.

[Alan T]

Here are what people posted about their dreams:

1. Alan T - Dreamt of hot girl that turned into a spider
2. Jonathan Ezarik
3. st. cronin - sex dream
4. Chief Rum
5. Barkeep49
6. LoneStarGirl - Got a bike!
7. Lathum - in San Diego, janice joplin and a giant ping pong ball
8. RendeR
9. path12
10. Passacaglia - crazy dream of new york city
11. Swaggs - pm mentioned future tennis stardom.
12. Tele - St.cronin's dream sounded like her's
13. DaddyTorgo
14. KWhit
15. bulletsponge - Wolf checking in *starts licking himself* ?
16. ntndeacon - kept dreaming of his dad at the lake. Tried to keep him near but he left anyways
17. twothree
18. ardent enthusiast - tennis star human

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't get it.. I didnt get his vote for you either though... But if you feel strongly about that why arent you making him your vote today? Why are you waiting till tommorrow?

I feel I owe hoops

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I feel I owe hoops

But Hoops isn't in this game. And the rules state that you MUST vote for a player each day.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I've come to the decision that I am taking the similar dream thing to be just white noise for us to siff through. That it speaks no less or more of Ardent or Swaggs's wolfishness.

Well.... It's day 1, and 2 people having the same dream is more first day information than we have in 99% of ww games.

If we had any good reasons to vote for other people, then your post makes sense. It may very well be white noise, but it's a hell of a lot better than just a shot in the dark. Or a vote for someone based on him being a wolf in a previous game or something else like that.

And from what someone else said in the thread, in the book and movie replicants have humans' memories implanted in them. So it seems significant to me.

I guess I just don't understand why people would rather throw their vote out randomly when instead they could vote for something that is slightly suspicious.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Telle

But Hoops isn't in this game. And the rules state that you MUST vote for a player each day.

Which is why I have shied away from sharing my dreams in this thread.

Catch you next game, Lathum.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Well.... It's day 1, and 2 people having the same dream is more first day information than we have in 99% of ww games.

If we had any good reasons to vote for other people, then your post makes sense. It may very well be white noise, but it's a hell of a lot better than just a shot in the dark. Or a vote for someone based on him being a wolf in a previous game or something else like that.

And from what someone else said in the thread, in the book and movie replicants have humans' memories implanted in them. So it seems significant to me.

I guess I just don't understand why people would rather throw their vote out randomly when instead they could vote for something that is slightly suspicious.

That makes sense. So I suppose we should continue to explore the dream angle, but not get so hung up on it as to ignore any other potential clues.

So let's hear your dreams Jonathan Ezarik, Chief Rum, Barkeep49, RendeR, path12, DaddyTorgo, KWhit, and twothree.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't get it.. I didnt get his vote for you either though... But if you feel strongly about that why arent you making him your vote today? Why are you waiting till tommorrow?

mine was a random day one vote. I used his dream as some sort of rationale. However I don't have any rationale really.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Telle

But Hoops isn't in this game. And the rules state that you MUST vote for a player each day.

hmm, i suppose that may be a problem.

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY
VOTE NTNDEACON

[twothree]

My dream was about watching the performance of a glamorous lady on a stage in Los Angeles.

And, now I am leaving for work, so...

vote KWhit

A day one vote. So, no real reason except for the fact I didn't like his logic about Ardent/Swaggs.

[path12]

Originally Posted by twothree

I don't see how you think Ardent posting, "Ardent, the tennis star human, checking in." means he had a memory/dream about being a human tennis star. Unless you only read Swaggs post and did not go back and read ardent enthusiast post.

It sounds exactly like how Ardent would announce something like that IMO.

[Barkeep49]

My dream takes place on a mountain. MOre soon.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Telle

So let's hear your dreams Jonathan Ezarik, Chief Rum, Barkeep49, RendeR, path12, DaddyTorgo, KWhit, and twothree.

I was a ranch hand in Texas and someone was stealing the cattle. I woke up with a foreboding of evil.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Telle

Or.. you're a replicant and trying to throw us off your trail by coming out strong, and in the process get a human sent off to Mars (and a potentially valuable human at that).

Telle I would encourage you to skim through the last game. I came out far more aggressively in that game and was 100% human. So if anything people should be accusing me of being a replicant for not being as aggressive. Of course I've not been as aggressive since the piece of information for us to share, about dreams, is already being shared.

[Barkeep49]

I think I've only played one game, I believe, where there was no reveal on death and I don't remember that game at all (can't even think of what game it was). Anyone remember that game? I would love to see what we learned since the no reveal policy seems to be a HUGE villager handicap.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Telle

But Hoops isn't in this game. And the rules state that you MUST vote for a player each day.

That is so funny... I didn't realize Hoops wasn't in this game either. We are just so used to him being involved in every game.