Rickey Henderson is a farging corksucker - Page 4

rkmsuf · 05-10-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Ksyrup- henderson has every right to keep the ball, stop trying to use the kid as an excuse to bash Rickey.

that's the winning post

st.cronin · 05-10-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Absolutely. I've already said as much. At least twice, if not more. The whole issue is why he would want to. I don't really care what he thinks about it, the fact that any major league player would want a foul ball strikes me as odd.

It would be one thing if what he wanted was something that caused harm to others, or potentially caused harm. For example, if Rickey wanted to drive his car on the road at 120 mph.

It would be something else if what he wanted was something society has deemed morally questionable. For example, if Rickey wanted to stage dog fights.

But virtually everybody that goes to a baseball game wants to catch a foul ball.

spleen1015 · 05-10-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

that's the winning post

No ma'bles!

gstelmack · 05-10-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

And what major league team did Steve Bartman play for again?

None. It does point out how big a deal catching a ball in the stands is, and therefore why it might be special even to someone who has caught plenty of them while standing on the field.

Ksyrup · 05-10-2007, 03:03 PM

Well guys, I'd love to continue the chat but I'm off to celebrate my daughter's birthday. And when we're at Gattitown tonight and play that horserace game where you squirt water into the little hole, I'm going to beat every single person there and keep the prize, not because I need to, but because I want to and have a right to. Because having that prize will remind me of my daughter's birthday in a way that is much more special than it would be to my daughter, her little friends, or anyone else playing the game.

st.cronin · 05-10-2007, 03:04 PM

I actually think its cool that Rickey would want to keep the ball. At least he's not driving around shooting pregnant women, or getting arrested for DUI.

Ksyrup · 05-10-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Pot, kettle, black.

I do this for a living. I get worked up with no emotional attachment. My wife hates it, absolutely hates it.

spleen1015 · 05-10-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Well guys, I'd love to continue the chat but I'm off to celebrate my daughter's birthday. And when we're at Gattitown tonight and play that horserace game where you squirt water into the little hole, I'm going to beat every single person there and keep the prize, not because I need to, but because I want to and have a right to. Because having that prize will remind me of my daughter's birthday in a way that is much more special than it would be to my daughter, her little friends, or anyone else playing the game.

Farging corksucker!

Lathum · 05-10-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Well guys, I'd love to continue the chat but I'm off to celebrate my daughter's birthday. And when we're at Gattitown tonight and play that horserace game where you squirt water into the little hole, I'm going to beat every single person there and keep the prize, not because I need to, but because I want to and have a right to. Because having that prize will remind me of my daughter's birthday in a way that is much more special than it would be to my daughter, her little friends, or anyone else playing the game.

give 'em hell champ!!!!

spleen1015 · 05-10-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I do this for a living. I get worked up with no emotional attachment. My wife hates it, absolutely hates it.

How do you get worked up without emotional attachment? The emotion is what makes me get worked up.

gstelmack · 05-10-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Well guys, I'd love to continue the chat but I'm off to celebrate my daughter's birthday. And when we're at Gattitown tonight and play that horserace game where you squirt water into the little hole, I'm going to beat every single person there and keep the prize, not because I need to, but because I want to and have a right to. Because having that prize will remind me of my daughter's birthday in a way that is much more special than it would be to my daughter, her little friends, or anyone else playing the game.

If Rickey was at the game with his daughter, I'd bet she'd be going home with the ball, just like you KNOW your daughter is going home with that toy no matter how hard you try and keep it from her, because no way are you saying no to your daughter.

(I know from experience, as that's how there are something like 200 stuffed animals crammed in our house...)

Ksyrup · 05-10-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

that's the winning post

At least in his sarcasm he established that he understood the underlying point, even if he didn't agree.

rkmsuf · 05-10-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Pot, kettle, black.

But the whole thread has been fun anyway. I've got a boring compile, and there's nothing like a good ethics argument between two sets of people with obviously different values and perspectives to pass the time.

The whole fundamental argument revolves around whether or not you feel that Ricky having played a significant amount of Major League Baseball has to forego his rights and privileges as a fan because of it. You feel he does, we feel he doesn't. It's that simple.

My perspective is that as someone who gets to do something really cool that lots of other people wish they could, I am just as much (moreso?) a fan of games as anyone else is, and it doesn't stop me from thinking it's cool to meet other game developers or play their games or go to E3 or whatever. And I think Rickey thinks it's just as cool to catch a foul ball as any other fan.

I like the central premise but games come in many different flavors. a baseball is largely a baseball unless you get worked up about it being off a certain bat.

As a career baseball player it seems odd to me he would frame a routine foul ball and that the experience of catching the ball isn't enough...he needs to put the actual ball under glass.

To each his own. I think it's silly in the context of what he has accomplished during his career.

"Right" has nothing to do with it. He can and will do what he wants. Doesn't mean it doesn't sound silly to me.

Ksyrup · 05-10-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Farging corksucker!

Exactly!

Ksyrup · 05-10-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

How do you get worked up without emotional attachment? The emotion is what makes me get worked up.

The money always helps, but in this case, entertainment is just as good.

MikeVic · 05-10-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Well guys, I'd love to continue the chat but I'm off to celebrate my daughter's birthday. And when we're at Gattitown tonight and play that horserace game where you squirt water into the little hole, I'm going to beat every single person there and keep the prize, not because I need to, but because I want to and have a right to. Because having that prize will remind me of my daughter's birthday in a way that is much more special than it would be to my daughter, her little friends, or anyone else playing the game.

Now you see our point!

st.cronin · 05-10-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I like the central premise but games come in many different flavors. a baseball is largely a baseball unless you get worked up about it being off a certain bat.

As a career baseball player it seems odd to me he would frame a routine foul ball and that the experience of catching the ball isn't enough...he needs to put the actual ball under glass.

To each his own. I think it's silly in the context of what he has accomplished during his career.

"Right" has nothing to do with it. He can and will do what he wants. Doesn't mean it doesn't sound silly to me.

I grant that Rickey is a very silly guy. To me that's a good thing.

Lathum · 05-10-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

At least in his sarcasm he established that he understood the underlying point, even if he didn't agree.

I'm glad you took it for the sarcasim it was.

I honestly thing the whole thing is silly.

Bill Gates has more money that anyone will need in a lifetime, does that mean he should wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills?

rkmsuf · 05-10-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

No ma'bles!

exactly!

MikeVic · 05-10-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Bill Gates has more money that anyone will need in a lifetime, does that mean he should wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills?

Oh, he does.

Ksyrup · 05-10-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

If Rickey was at the game with his daughter, I'd bet she'd be going home with the ball, just like you KNOW your daughter is going home with that toy no matter how hard you try and keep it from her, because no way are you saying no to your daughter.

(I know from experience, as that's how there are something like 200 stuffed animals crammed in our house...)

See, that's my point. That's a legitimate reason for him to want to catch the foul ball. Because in that situation, it's the desire to make his kid happy that is driving him. When Rickey is keeping the foul ball just for Rickey, that's where I start to wonder.

Lathum · 05-10-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Oh, he does.

well that can't feel good

Ksyrup · 05-10-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm glad you took it for the sarcasim it was.

I honestly thing the whole thing is silly.

Bill Gates has more money that anyone will need in a lifetime, does that mean he should wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills?

No, but as I pointed out earlier, I would wonder why he would want to play the lotto.

Young Drachma · 05-10-2007, 03:14 PM

Can't believe this thread has gone on this long.

spleen1015 · 05-10-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Can't believe this thread has gone on this long.

I find that hard to believe. This FOFC afterall.

Young Drachma · 05-10-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

I find that hard to believe. This FOFC afterall.

Ok, true. But...seriously. It's not that slow of a news week...

st.cronin · 05-10-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Ok, true. But...seriously. It's not that slow of a news week...

I was thinking of starting a Mike Vick thread, with the latest on his involvement in the dog-fighting ring. We haven't a good Vick thread in a while.

Axxon · 05-10-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Ha! The act itself is a deprivation.

Man, you guys like to get worked up about nothing, don't you?

Where's Wade when I need him?

Probably siding with the sane people in the thread thus seeing no reason to respond.

ISiddiqui · 05-10-2007, 03:27 PM

Ricky did absolutely nothing wrong. It's great that he is still such a fan of the game that he gets excited over catching a foul ball while being a spectator. And it is a different situation - catching a foul suddenly hit to you while in the stands vs. having to catch balls as a LF.

I think people (the two here) that have problems with what Rickey did either are Henderson haters or are just strange. Whenever everyone else thinks you are full of crap maybe it is time to re-evaluate your stance.

Axxon · 05-10-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Well guys, I'd love to continue the chat but I'm off to celebrate my daughter's birthday. And when we're at Gattitown tonight and play that horserace game where you squirt water into the little hole, I'm going to beat every single person there and keep the prize, not because I need to, but because I want to and have a right to. Because having that prize will remind me of my daughter's birthday in a way that is much more special than it would be to my daughter, her little friends, or anyone else playing the game.

So, you're a professional squirt water racer?

TroyF · 05-10-2007, 03:38 PM

ummm. . . pretty much agree with everything that Ksyrup and Rk said.

This is why it's tough to have a discusison anymore. "I think what he did is stupid" "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN, HE CARES FOR THE CHILDREN" "Um, I didn't say anything about the children, they aren't relevant to my point" "HE CARES ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS SHRED HIM, HOW DARE YOU?" "Really, I didn't say anything about what he did for the kid, I just think what he did is stupid" "YOU HATE CHILDREN AND SHOULD BE SHOT" "Ummm. . . OK"

Bizzare thread.

ISiddiqui · 05-10-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

ummm. . . pretty much agree with everything that Ksyrup and Rk said.

This is why it's tough to have a discusison anymore. "I think what he did is stupid" "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN, HE CARES FOR THE CHILDREN" "Um, I didn't say anything about the children, they aren't relevant to my point" "HE CARES ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS SHRED HIM, HOW DARE YOU?" "Really, I didn't say anything about what he did for the kid, I just think what he did is stupid" "YOU HATE CHILDREN AND SHOULD BE SHOT" "Ummm. . . OK"

Bizzare thread.

This is why it's tough to have a discussion anymore... I don't recall anyone arguing that "He cares for the children" and "you hate children", especially not as their main point. I mean that's an incredible strawman of monumental proportions.

st.cronin · 05-10-2007, 03:47 PM

I think Rickey actually IS the children.

Axxon · 05-10-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

ummm. . . pretty much agree with everything that Ksyrup and Rk said.

This is why it's tough to have a discusison anymore. "I think what he did is stupid" "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN, HE CARES FOR THE CHILDREN" "Um, I didn't say anything about the children, they aren't relevant to my point" "HE CARES ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS SHRED HIM, HOW DARE YOU?" "Really, I didn't say anything about what he did for the kid, I just think what he did is stupid" "YOU HATE CHILDREN AND SHOULD BE SHOT" "Ummm. . . OK"

Bizzare thread.

Sorry Troy but I never figured you for someone who would think that you can't respect someone in a profession if you are in the profession yourself. That's what Ksyrup's point really is. It's not adult vs children as he tried in the last post about his childs party. He made the point clearly before then.

It's not because he has money and the kid didn't. It isn't even because another human being is in the building as he clearly says.

It's because he's a ballplayer that he is a loon. A ballplayer can't possibly want a foul ball that he caught while he's watching the game as a fan. I never figured you to react this way.

SHURG.

molson · 05-10-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I grant that Rickey is a very silly guy. To me that's a good thing.

This the whole point to me. Sports needs characters and eccentrics. Yet as a society, we hate them (I think the Ksyrup view is the majority), which is why they've gone away.

larrymcg421 · 05-10-2007, 04:17 PM

Gee, I wonder why people keep bringing up the kid...

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I don't think it's so much the adult/kid angle as it is "former baseball player who probably has shit more baseballs than this kid will ever see in his life" angle.

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It's like going to a kid's birthday party that is short on cake. Instead of giving up the last piece of cake to one of the kids, I decide to eat the piece I was given. That's an asshole move. You know why? Because I'm in a position to drive to the store and buy myself an entire cake to eat if I want, whereas the kid's just not going to get a piece of cake.

Desnudo · 05-10-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I remember Doug Flutie catching a ball at a Red Sox game not too long ago. I'm pretty sure he didn't give it away either, the announcers kept showing him with it during the game. Where's the article about him?

Doug Flutie could crap in Big Papi's hat and people in Boston would still love him.

Pumpy Tudors · 05-10-2007, 05:07 PM

I kinda have a crush on a 51-year-old woman. Can we talk about that instead?

sterlingice · 05-10-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Doug Flutie could crap in Big Papi's hat and people in Boston would still love him.

I'm really hoping to not see a newspaper article about that.

SI

cthomer5000 · 05-10-2007, 05:13 PM

Rickey deserved the damn ball.

Oilers9911 · 05-10-2007, 05:53 PM

Did he sign the ball for the kid, Dear Dork...Here's your ball. Your favorite left-fielder?

Grammaticus · 05-10-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I don't think it's so much the adult/kid angle as it is "former baseball player who probably has shit more baseballs than this kid will ever see in his life" angle.

I'd say an autographed ball from Henderson is better than anybody's crappy foul ball. Like Molson said, if you don't actually catch it or run it down, so what.

ISiddiqui · 05-10-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I kinda have a crush on a 51-year-old woman. Can we talk about that instead?

Is it the one who you accidently set a meeting up with in Outlook?

Groundhog · 05-10-2007, 07:38 PM

Pardon me for skipping 2 pages worth of replies, but I fail to see the problem. Rickey is clearly a baseball fan, and he said he'd always wanted to catch a foul ball. He finally did. Good for him. That he played baseball for X amount of years and has X amount of baseballs at home is irrelevant. Catching a foul ball is obviously something special to him as a fan of the game.

Karlifornia · 05-10-2007, 07:51 PM

4 pages dedicated to this? I read the first page...I didn't think this would have had the legs for 4 pages.

Grammaticus · 05-10-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Agreed on Henderson, but Schilling is actually the exact opposite -- he's completely manufactured, never says a word without carefully considering how it will impact his public image. He's a complete phony, but how can you blame him when anyone who shows any personality gets strung up for it.

Are you kidding, Shilling is the best. Just the fact that he kept the Squad Leader game alive is enough to make him worthy.

Probably the most disturbing thing in this article:

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Henderson keeps ball, signs another for young fanESPN.com news services

SAN FRANCISCO --

Henderson is four months younger than Mets infielder Julio Franco.

"Julio's out there. I know I can play with Julio," Henderson said. "You need to name a whole lot of players before you get to Julio. ... I just want a spring training invite. Most clubs said if I got an invite, I'd probably make their club, but [they] don't have a spot."

For now, Henderson is keeping busy and fit by maintaining the 455 acres he owns near California's Yosemite National Park. He hasn't hit the gym for a while, but he drives a tractor, rides horses and raises cows -- and insists he will win a trophy in competitive fishing one day.

"I'm an old country boy. I don't look like it," he said.

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No that definately does not look like an ol' country boy

Anyway, You gotta be kidding me, the Mets can’t find someone better than 48 year old Franco?

Mustang · 05-10-2007, 07:57 PM

455 acres?

He has too many, he needs to give up some.

molson · 05-10-2007, 08:03 PM

I love the people that are posting to critique the length of the thread, and thus, increasing the length of the thread

FYI - message board discussions can occasionally branch off and diversify, and not adhere to strictly to the title and original post. I thought that was obvious.

st.cronin · 05-10-2007, 08:15 PM

This thread WILL make it to 5 pages.

05-10-2007, 03:03 PM	#155
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Well guys, I'd love to continue the chat but I'm off to celebrate my daughter's birthday. And when we're at Gattitown tonight and play that horserace game where you squirt water into the little hole, I'm going to beat every single person there and keep the prize, not because I need to, but because I want to and have a right to. Because having that prize will remind me of my daughter's birthday in a way that is much more special than it would be to my daughter, her little friends, or anyone else playing the game. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

05-10-2007, 03:04 PM	#156
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I actually think its cool that Rickey would want to keep the ball. At least he's not driving around shooting pregnant women, or getting arrested for DUI. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

05-10-2007, 03:14 PM	#174
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05-10-2007, 03:27 PM	#179
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Ricky did absolutely nothing wrong. It's great that he is still such a fan of the game that he gets excited over catching a foul ball while being a spectator. And it is a different situation - catching a foul suddenly hit to you while in the stands vs. having to catch balls as a LF. I think people (the two here) that have problems with what Rickey did either are Henderson haters or are just strange. Whenever everyone else thinks you are full of crap maybe it is time to re-evaluate your stance. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

05-10-2007, 03:47 PM	#183
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I think Rickey actually IS the children. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

05-10-2007, 03:38 PM	#181
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	ummm. . . pretty much agree with everything that Ksyrup and Rk said. This is why it's tough to have a discusison anymore. "I think what he did is stupid" "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN, HE CARES FOR THE CHILDREN" "Um, I didn't say anything about the children, they aren't relevant to my point" "HE CARES ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS SHRED HIM, HOW DARE YOU?" "Really, I didn't say anything about what he did for the kid, I just think what he did is stupid" "YOU HATE CHILDREN AND SHOULD BE SHOT" "Ummm. . . OK" Bizzare thread.

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05-10-2007, 05:53 PM	#192
Oilers9911 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2006	Did he sign the ball for the kid, Dear Dork...Here's your ball. Your favorite left-fielder?

05-10-2007, 07:38 PM	#195
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Pardon me for skipping 2 pages worth of replies, but I fail to see the problem. Rickey is clearly a baseball fan, and he said he'd always wanted to catch a foul ball. He finally did. Good for him. That he played baseball for X amount of years and has X amount of baseballs at home is irrelevant. Catching a foul ball is obviously something special to him as a fan of the game. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

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Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	455 acres? He has too many, he needs to give up some. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

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