Mass Shooting at Theater In Denver Area (Dark Knight)

[rowech]

I don't think movies, music, games, etc. cause these kinds of things directly. However, I do believe those things give people ideas as to how to act on what it's in their head.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

No.

My condo has the fire suppression unit in it. During an inspection I asked how the system works. The sprinklers have a little thin glass tube that contains a red liquid. Fire increases the temperature to the point where the glass breaks. That's what sets off the sprinklers & alarm.

But there are also smoke detectors that will go off if the light/sensor in them reflects from smoke. Two different devices.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

1:42: "All ten people in the theater are black." Fatalities.


Yikes, I hope this doesn't turn into a racial thing. I don't know if that's a function of where the theater was/who frequents it, or the reason he chose the theater or victims.

I did hear a witness interview where the guy talked about how he thought the theater was unsafe and didn't like going there. But he didn't explain why.

this most likely refers to a triage tag...any time there is a mass casualty incident, a medic team will go through and find all the victims and perform a rapid triage to determine who needs to be treated first. they put a cardboard tag around the person's ankle that has 5 snap off tabs that are white, green, yellow, red, and black, in that order, signifying severity of injury...red is supposed to be transported to the hospital first...black is either dead or injured to the point that they cannot be saved, so when they said "10 inside, all black", it meant that there are 10 black tags, and that everyone else has been removed from the scene either by ambulance or personal transport.

[Ryan S]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Q: WAS THERE ANY LINK BETWEEN THE SHOOTING AND MOVIE'S PLOT?

I doubt that there was any link to the movie plot. If this were ten years ago we might be talking about a shooting at Star Wars EP 2 or The Lord of the Rings.

The fact that the film was the most anticipated movie of the summer, and a sequel in a successful film series guaranteed that the midnight showings would be packed. If he wanted to carry out a late night assault on a large group of people, this might be one of the few times and places something like this would be possible. It would be harder to do something like this in a bar or nightclub due to the higher levels of security on the doors.

[illinifan999]

APD dispatch recording

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by saldana

this most likely refers to a triage tag...any time there is a mass casualty incident, a medic team will go through and find all the victims and perform a rapid triage to determine who needs to be treated first. they put a cardboard tag around the person's ankle that has 5 snap off tabs that are white, green, yellow, red, and black, in that order, signifying severity of injury...red is supposed to be transported to the hospital first...black is either dead or injured to the point that they cannot be saved, so when they said "10 inside, all black", it meant that there are 10 black tags, and that everyone else has been removed from the scene either by ambulance or personal transport.

thx for the clarification.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Ryan S

I doubt that there was any link to the movie plot. If this were ten years ago we might be talking about a shooting at Star Wars EP 2 or The Lord of the Rings.

Wait.....The Lord of the Rings has guns? I must have missed that one!

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Wait.....The Lord of the Rings has guns? I must have missed that one!

y u no pay attention??

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Rizon

y u no pay attention??

Damn, that must have been when I went to get more popcorn.

[heybrad]

I hope I don't come across as inappropriate with this, but this article about a couples account in the theater with their children is stunning on multiple levels. This guy definitely wins the Costanza award for not only putting down his 6 month old in the middle of the chaos, leaving the theater, but also getting in his car and driving away without his fiance and a 4 year old. Here's the article.

Couple in Colo. Theater Shooting Escape With Baby and Toddler in Tow - Yahoo! News

[JPhillips]

I know you want to see Batman, but a midnight showing is no place to bring an infant and a four year old.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by heybrad

I hope I don't come across as inappropriate with this, but this article about a couples account in the theater with their children is stunning on multiple levels. This guy definitely wins the Constanza award for not only putting down his 6 month old in the middle of the chaos, leaving the theater, but also getting in his car and driving away without his fiance and a 4 year old. Here's the article.

Couple in Colo. Theater Shooting Escape With Baby and Toddler in Tow - Yahoo! News

Wow.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I know you want to see Batman, but a midnight showing is no place to bring an infant and a four year old.

+1

An movie theater is no place to bring any infant. Ever.

[heybrad]

Originally Posted by Grover

+1

An movie theater is no place to bring any infant. Ever.

And here's his brilliant quote on that.

"We just moved here from New Mexico," he said. "We have to go out. We have to do things."

No you don't. You're a parent now.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by heybrad

And here's his brilliant quote on that.

"We just moved here from New Mexico," he said. "We have to go out. We have to do things."

No you don't. You're a parent now.

There's no better place to meet new people than in a dark movie theater where nobody talks for two hours!

[PilotMan]

So many people I know were all, " OMG, this could have been avoided if people would have been packing!" How can it not be more like, "Wow, if everyone would have been packing we are lucky that anyone is still alive!"?

[Poli]

I just got news from my father's side of the family that a distant relative was among those injured. Kind of weird for me. I've felt bad for the victims all day as I went about my job. Not sure how to feel about it now.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I can see walking in, tossing a smoke grenade, opening the exit door to grab guns sitting just outside, and then proceeding from there.

Federal law enforcement sources tell ABC News that Holmes bought a ticket to the movie, slipped out of the theater once it began and propped open the emergency exit before gathering his weapons and gear and coming back into the theater. Once inside, he opened fire.

Originally Posted by heybrad

I hope I don't come across as inappropriate with this, but this article about a couples account in the theater with their children is stunning on multiple levels. This guy definitely wins the Constanza award for not only putting down his 6 month old in the middle of the chaos, leaving the theater, but also getting in his car and driving away without his fiance and a 4 year old. Here's the article.
Couple in Colo. Theater Shooting Escape With Baby and Toddler in Tow - Yahoo! News

Let's not forget the parents who brought a 3 month old and the toddler was injured but just released.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

It is slightly off the subject, but the matter of taking kids to a film as violent as a Batman film is disgusting to me. Theaters should not even allow kids below a certain age into a movie like this. And at a midnight showing? Of a nearly three hour film? Parenting like this is one of the many things that is wrong with not only this mess, but this mess we call a country.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by heybrad

I hope I don't come across as inappropriate with this, but this article about a couples account in the theater with their children is stunning on multiple levels. This guy definitely wins the Constanza award for not only putting down his 6 month old in the middle of the chaos, leaving the theater, but also getting in his car and driving away without his fiance and a 4 year old. Here's the article.

Couple in Colo. Theater Shooting Escape With Baby and Toddler in Tow - Yahoo! News

That guy is pure awesome! The fiance should totally marry him right away!

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

It is slightly off the subject, but the matter of taking kids to a film as violent as a Batman film is disgusting to me. Theaters should not even allow kids below a certain age into a movie like this. And at a midnight showing? Of a nearly three hour film? Parenting like this is one of the many things that is wrong with not only this mess, but this mess we call a country.

Along with the awesome line "We have to go out. We have to do things." There's the "Rohrs said the two took their children to the show because they figured they'd sleep through it."

Maybe this is better moved to the other thread (and mods, feel free if it's more appropriate there) but it's a mentality of "everyone else can put up with my kid for a couple of hours while we have a breather". Look, it's your kid, it's your responsibility.

SI

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Maybe this is better moved to the other thread (and mods, feel free if it's more appropriate there) but it's a mentality of "everyone else can put up with my kid for a couple of hours while we have a breather". Look, it's your kid, it's your responsibility.

Yup, I see it all the time now.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by heybrad

I hope I don't come across as inappropriate with this, but this article about a couples account in the theater with their children is stunning on multiple levels. This guy definitely wins the Constanza award for not only putting down his 6 month old in the middle of the chaos, leaving the theater, but also getting in his car and driving away without his fiance and a 4 year old. Here's the article.

Couple in Colo. Theater Shooting Escape With Baby and Toddler in Tow - Yahoo! News

Yeah, that story is nuts. They've been on TV all day too. I think I'd try and avoid the spotlight if I got caught abandoning my family. The best part is him proposing at the hospital and that a random 19-year old had to save them.

I can sort of understand if he was out getting popcorn and couldn't get to them. But why did he drive away?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Yeah, that story is nuts. They've been on TV all day too. I think I'd try and avoid the spotlight if I got caught abandoning my family. The best part is him proposing at the hospital and that a random 19-year old had to save them.

I can sort of understand if he was out getting popcorn and couldn't get to them. But why did he drive away?

Holy crap. I'm reading that story and thinking this man is a coward. I get that there is a fight or flight reaction but seriously, leaving your girlfriend there with her daughter and the putting your son down and continuing to leave? That man almost makes me angrier than the suspect. He should not be a parent. He's even more of an idiot for telling his story to the world.

[Julio Riddols]

And she is one of the dumbest people alive if she thinks he deserves to marry her. Damn, that's some mind numbing cowardice.

[RainMaker]

To add to that story, a 19-year old was the one who went back and helped save them. Took a bullet too for his troubles.

'Dark Knight Rises' Shooting Victim Stopped to Help Young Mom - ABC News

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

It is slightly off the subject, but the matter of taking kids to a film as violent as a Batman film is disgusting to me. Theaters should not even allow kids below a certain age into a movie like this. And at a midnight showing? Of a nearly three hour film? Parenting like this is one of the many things that is wrong with not only this mess, but this mess we call a country.

Just an aside, when I was younger, my ex-gf (then gf) brought our 2 month old to see Hannibal (it was a Valentine's Day release). My daughter slept in her car seat facing away from the screen.

I concur that it's not wise, but sometimes it's an only option because some parents don't have a decent support system. You could say "well then don't go to movies" but it was just something to do (we took her bowling, festivals, etc). If she had made a fuss I would have spent the movie in the lobby (not ignoring her and creating fury with other patrons).

That movie wasn't a midnight movie that I went to.

Now that I'm older, my wife and I wouldn't bring our son to a movie (he's 6 months) but at the time my daughter slept a lot. At the time, it worked.

[Sun Tzu]

Incredible and disgusting story (the shooting itself). I can't imagine the absolute petrifying horror of being blinded by gas, trapped in a theater with an armed homicidal maniac. It sounds like one of those nightmares that you wake up drenched in sweat, your heart racing, and your adrenaline pumping. I think this is one of those events that transcends race, or geography...in that there are millions of people across the country that are going to choose to live their lives differently now.

Example: I was fully planning on going to watch this film with my Wife in theaters. We rarely see a movie in theaters. In fact, the last movie we went to see was (oddly enough) Inception. But, we're huge fans of the Nolan "Batman" series, and this one was a no-brainer. Now I'm just going to wait for it to come out on Blu-Ray for fear of copycats.

How many other people are making the same decision? How many other families are going to pass on going out to a nice, fun, family evening at the theater? How many parents are going to tell their kid "no more going to the movies with your friends" because of this? It may not change life forever, but it's certainly going to make a lot of people think twice for the next few months.

[muns]

I wasn't on plannning to see this at the theaters, however I wouldn't change and just not go if I had been planning on it. I just wouldnt go see it during prime time when they could be a ton of people and save a few bucks in the process.

I think your kid question is going to be an interesting one. I know if I had a teenager I would be thinking twice about letting them go out to a 8-12 movie.

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Incredible and disgusting story (the shooting itself). I can't imagine the absolute petrifying horror of being blinded by gas, trapped in a theater with an armed homicidal maniac. It sounds like one of those nightmares that you wake up drenched in sweat, your heart racing, and your adrenaline pumping. I think this is one of those events that transcends race, or geography...in that there are millions of people across the country that are going to choose to live their lives differently now.

Example: I was fully planning on going to watch this film with my Wife in theaters. We rarely see a movie in theaters. In fact, the last movie we went to see was (oddly enough) Inception. But, we're huge fans of the Nolan "Batman" series, and this one was a no-brainer. Now I'm just going to wait for it to come out on Blu-Ray for fear of copycats.

How many other people are making the same decision? How many other families are going to pass on going out to a nice, fun, family evening at the theater? How many parents are going to tell their kid "no more going to the movies with your friends" because of this? It may not change life forever, but it's certainly going to make a lot of people think twice for the next few months.

[Matthean]

Friends continue to post about seeing it. I'm going with friends tomorrow. I'm not going to sit around in fear because of one single crazy dude. I'm more likely to die from a car accident going to or from the theater than running into some whack job who happens to be in a specific theater at the time he decides to terrorize people.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

How many other people are making the same decision? How many other families are going to pass on going out to a nice, fun, family evening at the theater? How many parents are going to tell their kid "no more going to the movies with your friends" because of this? It may not change life forever, but it's certainly going to make a lot of people think twice for the next few months.

I was never truly "pumped" to see it. Just curious/interested, but I did choose not to go see it last night (right here in town here even, when I could downtown to the theater) almost out of deference to what happened yesterday. It just didn't feel right and I was far less excited.

I live in Mayberry U.S.A. so I'm not so much worried about copycats (especially since people here are armed to the teeth and I know dozens of people who conceal carry) as much as I just felt far less interested in seeing it.

Like I can hardly think about being in the theater and imagining the horror those people must've went through as that whole thing went down and all I could think yesterday was "how would you deal with that?" I mean "what's the best way to deal with someone who is armed to the teeth like that, covered in body armor and seemingly impenetrable? Even if someone had been conceal carrying yesterday..what could they have done to take him out with a good shot (provided they could even see in the tear gas?)

Anyway..to answer the question, I don't imagine I'll go see it now.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Friends continue to post about seeing it. I'm going with friends tomorrow. I'm not going to sit around in fear because of one single crazy dude. I'm more likely to die from a car accident going to or from the theater than running into some whack job who happens to be in a specific theater at the time he decides to terrorize people.

This.

I'm going to see it next week because, frankly, I didn't want to deal with the crowds on opening weekend and half of my office is out next week for training so I run a much lower risk of spoilers than normal (happy coincidence)

SI

[CraigSca]

Quote from the guy who saved the woman and her kids while the future fiancee drove away:

"I saw someone in distress," he said. "I'm not the kind of person who would let them be in that situation and me selfishly trying to get myself out of the equation... all she's trying to do is protect her kids, so I felt like if I could get her out, then maybe I would have gotten out, maybe I wouldn't. As long as I knew she was OK I was alright."

I guarantee there's no marriage here. She can't be that stupid, can she?

[Lathum]

I would love to hear their wedding vows

"through sickness and health, through good and bad, unless a crazed lunatic is shooting at you, then you are on your own, until death do us part, I do"

[Senator]

Under pressure, character usually reveals itself. The young man who saved himself and left his fiance and her children revealed himself. The young man who tried to help her and was wounded, did as well.
20 years down the road you can easily predict how both might turn out.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

I guarantee there's no marriage here. She can't be that stupid, can she?

Have you met many people?

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Have you met many people?

There's an irony about you filling in the JIMGA roll here while he's in the box, isn't there?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

There's an irony about you filling in the JIMGA roll here while he's in the box, isn't there?

Hehehe... I'm sure he'd approve wholeheartedly! Wait, that would require a heart.

I guess it's what happens when the grading curve gets skewed... When you have somebody so far to the right silenced, somebody who is in the middle suddenly can be the extremist. Who, me?

[Matthean]

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[Rizon]

Good Lord, here come the conspiracy theorists

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Rizon

Good Lord, here come the conspiracy theorists

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged

Mike Adams is always good for a laugh.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Mike Adams is always good for a laugh.

Living proof that a gigantic piece of shit can actually sit in front of a keyboard and type.

[SportsDino]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Even stranger that he left his apartment booby-trapped then told police about it. I wonder if he didn't expect to be affected by what he did and a bit of humanity crept back into his body after the fact. Or maybe he just chickened out on killing himself and gave up on the rest of the plot as well.

He was too chicken to have cops shooting back. He wanted to kill without getting hurt himself the pos.

[cuervo72]

They should make him attempt to clean up the booby traps.

[rowech]

I know it's impossible but I feel like we have to change the mindset we have in situations like this. Sometimes hiding, etc. can be the right move but sadly, in some situations, people have to charge the guy from all directions. Some aren't going to make it but I feel like it's the best way to limit loss of life.

Maybe I'm wrong...don't know what I would do in that situation.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by rowech

I know it's impossible but I feel like we have to change the mindset we have in situations like this. Sometimes hiding, etc. can be the right move but sadly, in some situations, people have to charge the guy from all directions. Some aren't going to make it but I feel like it's the best way to limit loss of life.

Maybe I'm wrong...don't know what I would do in that situation.

I don't think you'll ever see that mentality. We're heading towards a less unified society, not more.

SI

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by rowech

I know it's impossible but I feel like we have to change the mindset we have in situations like this. Sometimes hiding, etc. can be the right move but sadly, in some situations, people have to charge the guy from all directions. Some aren't going to make it but I feel like it's the best way to limit loss of life.

Maybe I'm wrong...don't know what I would do in that situation.

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I don't think you'll ever see that mentality. We're heading towards a less unified society, not more.

SI

I don't think the issue of a lack of cohesion. The problem is this was an ambush attack on unsuspecting people who had no idea it was coming. There was no way to coordinate, no way to really know what to do because it all happened so fast. Nothing I see anecdotally points to a society where people are less inclined to help others. People might be more skeptical, more cautious and less likely to say hi to everyone...but when duty calls, people always seem to step up whether it's in the city, a small town or somewhere in-between.

But it's such a difficult situation to predict, because unless you just happened to be there with 5-10 of your closest friends in the same row at the same time and could coordinate some kind of action -- with teargas burning your eyes to boot -- I can't imagine what anyone could've done to stop this.

And I've thought about it a lot because I lived minutes from this theater not that long ago. It's just what it is. A horrifying event that we're not going to easily be able to make meaning of, even though I know it won't stop us from doing so.

[sterlingice]

Yeah, perhaps it's wrongly applied here. I do generally think society is drifting apart towards more numerous shallow relationships rather than limited closer ones with a customization and selfishness in play. However, it really has nothing to do with this event.

SI

[Young Drachma]

Portraits of the Victims in Colorado - Multimedia Feature - NYTimes.com

[Young Drachma]

I resent all of this talk about this guy's past and how "smart" he was as if that shit matters. I mean, I get that Americans watch too much CSI and thus want to know how/why everything happens. But...I think trying to brand this kid as some kind of "genius gone wrong" by the media is a real affront to the people who had to suffer through his wrath.