LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507) - Page 4

hoopsguy · 07-07-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

By the way, I'd rather not specify who I examine day by day to minimize the risk of someone becoming infected after they have been publicly cleared. You may rest assured I will share any infection information that I receive.

I understand the thought process, but I believe there is a little more in the way of protection this game against conversion than most:

1.) Public role - even a cleared guy may not be an optimal target when factoring in the cleared role
2.) Protect abilities - two players with protect options + Slayer role (may or may not be in game, believe it was in last two)
3.) Assignment of phasers
4.) Use of the "stay awake" option

Just throwing these out there as reasons that it may make sense to publicly "clear" people. Also, there are safeguards against you in terms of the Empathic role (believe it was in each of last two) and Absolute Trust (can validate/refute your claims if they are wrong). I'm guessing there are others that I'm missing as I'm tying this up, but I figured that this was at the very least food for thought.

In the end, you get to make the decision you think is best. But since you threw it out for discussion I had some feedback.

hoopsguy · 07-07-2008, 10:01 PM

Er, point #1 above should read:
"Public role - even a cleared guy may not be an optimal Spawn target when factoring in the public roles"

saldana · 07-07-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I understand the thought process, but I believe there is a little more in the way of protection this game against conversion than most:

1.) Public role - even a cleared guy may not be an optimal target when factoring in the cleared role
2.) Protect abilities - two players with protect options + Slayer role (may or may not be in game, believe it was in last two)
3.) Assignment of phasers
4.) Use of the "stay awake" option

Just throwing these out there as reasons that it may make sense to publicly "clear" people. Also, there are safeguards against you in terms of the Empathic role (believe it was in each of last two) and Absolute Trust (can validate/refute your claims if they are wrong). I'm guessing there are others that I'm missing as I'm tying this up, but I figured that this was at the very least food for thought.

In the end, you get to make the decision you think is best. But since you threw it out for discussion I had some feedback.

there is also the 4 people in the security cell at night...that can be used at the beginning of the game as a means of protection for the people inside, and then after a day or two, as a means of protecting us from the people inside.

Danny · 07-07-2008, 10:06 PM

Engineer Danny checking in. I've read all the rules and AlanT's recommendations for repairing. Any other tips here for day one?

Alan T · 07-07-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

iirc, who you examine is public knowledge in the thread

In the previous game, the doctor took the person during the day into his medical office for the examination, so yeah we will know who you examine if it is played the same way this time.

Chief Rum · 07-07-2008, 10:07 PM

Checking in. Not a wolf.

just kidding.

Alan T · 07-07-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

there is also the 4 people in the security cell at night...that can be used at the beginning of the game as a means of protection for the people inside, and then after a day or two, as a means of protecting us from the people inside.

As long as we have a bulletproof Circle of Trust, we can do that. In the last game a spawn that everyone assumed was trusted got locked up with the captain in there and was able to convert him. We have to make sure that we are airtight about that.

hoopsguy · 07-07-2008, 10:13 PM

Sure, but that is part of the beauty of this game - there are a series of risk/reward decisions that you get to make along the way. Saldana is right that the jail option should be a weapon in our arsenal. It is up to us to use it correctly.

Hmm, pretty short post by Chief Rum. Did he think I was bluffing on my voting criteria for this game?

Chief Rum · 07-07-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Hmm, pretty short post by Chief Rum. Did he think I was bluffing on my voting criteria for this game?

I assure you a vote for me would be a waste.

Chief Rum · 07-07-2008, 10:24 PM

My goal, actually, is to get up to at least 10 posts. That way, you guys will have a good judgment point on which to figure who your UTR players are.

The Jackal · 07-07-2008, 10:27 PM

I will do my best to keep people healed, and I tend to agree that we should steer clear from Spawn whenever we can - they'll have enough opportunity to infiltrate without us making it easier.

Mrs. Schmidty · 07-07-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

im a prviate, i guess that is vanilla villegar! i m gonna be busy tonight (despite a rainout in softball with not a could in the sky) and I have an MRI o'n my ankle at 1015 tommorow! but ill be well an hoed!

ALANT i would say to hell with the spawn, but i didnt play the last game so i have no idea what im talking about!

You can count on a vote from Pass.

Danny · 07-07-2008, 10:36 PM

As a new player, I would prefer the slower game play experience at the beginning as well and go to the less infected area.

Poli · 07-07-2008, 10:36 PM

Mrs. Schmidty · 07-07-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

As a new player, I would prefer the slower game play experience at the beginning as well and go to the less infected area.

Agreed, let's let the ship take a hit and secure our landing away from the spawns please. Slow and steady at first while we get our feet wet.

mccollins · 07-07-2008, 10:42 PM

Ok, reading the thread feels like a normal game, but that enormous ruleset looms large up there.

Incidentally, I got a PM, but I noticed I'm not listed with my role up at the beginning of the thread.

PurdueBrad · 07-07-2008, 10:55 PM

I am not sure which way to go on going for the big reward early or the safer way first. If there an spawns yet, maybe we take an early risk but I'm up for what the group wants.

hoopsguy · 07-07-2008, 10:57 PM

I'll take this opportunity to warn about some potential scheduling challenges for me over the next week:

Wednesday - client visit, unlikely to be able to access FOFC from site.
Friday (noonish) - going on 3 day weekend trip with wife, not back until Sunday afternoon/evening.

Hopefully these don't create too much in the way of problems with getting actions in, but at the very least I won't be all that active in discussing away missions or whatever else goes on during the day.

Alan T · 07-07-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'll take this opportunity to warn about some potential scheduling challenges for me over the next week:

Wednesday - client visit, unlikely to be able to access FOFC from site.
Friday (noonish) - going on 3 day weekend trip with wife, not back until Sunday afternoon/evening.

Hopefully these don't create too much in the way of problems with getting actions in, but at the very least I won't be all that active in discussing away missions or whatever else goes on during the day.

Oh that reminds me.. tommorrow is my anniversary. I probably won't be around much in the evening tommorrow.. and like Hoops I'm leaving Friday early afternoon until Sunday for the weekend to celebrate. Not sure if the hotel will have internet or not.

oliegirl · 07-07-2008, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Oh that reminds me.. tommorrow is my anniversary. I probably won't be around much in the evening tommorrow.. and like Hoops I'm leaving Friday early afternoon until Sunday for the weekend to celebrate. Not sure if the hotel will have internet or not.

I'm guessing your wife wouldn't be too thrilled about you spending time on the computer when you are on a trip to celebrate your anniversary

I'm in agreement that a safe landing away from the Spawn would be best, there seem to be quite a few new players in the game, and a few people like myself who have played for a while, but are new to the "really big" game like this one.

As for scheduling, I'm working 8-12 and 5-7 every day this week, so I'm definitely around during those hours, but will be multitasking, I'll do my best to keep up though. My availability between 12 - 5 depends largely on the weather and what type of errands and whatnot need to get done in RL.

Barkeep49 · 07-07-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

Ok, reading the thread feels like a normal game, but that enormous ruleset looms large up there.

Incidentally, I got a PM, but I noticed I'm not listed with my role up at the beginning of the thread.

You were inadvertently left off because your role is new. You are now added in.

hoopsguy · 07-08-2008, 12:08 AM

Potential loophole alert - can the Trainer train a person to be a Trainer? If so, we will have a lot of flexibility to add Specialists throughout the game.

mccollins · 07-08-2008, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You were inadvertently left off because your role is new. You are now added in.

Ok, cool

I wasn't sure if I was supposed to keep it quiet or something. I've never played where the roles were all public.

Checking in as the trainer!

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Potential loophole alert - can the Trainer train a person to be a Trainer? If so, we will have a lot of flexibility to add Specialists throughout the game.

My role description says I can train Enlisted Crew to become specialists and then the roles listed under Enlisted Crew are: the Medic, the Galley Master, the Security Staff, and the Privates. I presume the Medic would become a Doctor, but I don't know what the others would become. Perhaps I would get to designate what the Privates became and could turn them into a Trainer as you suggested.

Danny · 07-08-2008, 12:31 AM

You can't train me into a super engineer?

path12 · 07-08-2008, 01:42 AM

Good points about revealing my results of examinations, I'll take those points into account when making decisions -- I had forgotten that it was public knowledge who I picked.

Schmidty · 07-08-2008, 03:16 AM

Anybody want some peanuts and Dasani?

Chief Rum · 07-08-2008, 03:21 AM

UTR Level

Okay, at this point of the thread, these players have less posts than me (4):

The Jackal (3)
Danny (3)
st.cronin (3)
path12 (3)
Tyrith (2)
Schmidty (2)
PurdueBrad (2)
oliegirl (2)
KWhit (2)
Mrs. Schmidty (2)
Passacaglia (2)
mccollins (2)
Chubby (1)
Render (1)
claphamsa (1)
Telle (1)
jeheinz72 (1)
bulletsponge (1)
PackerFanatic (1)

Schmidty · 07-08-2008, 03:35 AM

Quality, not quantity my friend.

(Hehe. I said tity.)

Schmidty · 07-08-2008, 03:36 AM

Dola.

Now we're even.

Schmidty · 07-08-2008, 03:36 AM

Double Dola.

pwned!!!

Danny · 07-08-2008, 04:48 AM

Help, I am being attacked by spawn! Oh wait, it's only Schmidty roaming around the halls

Schmidty · 07-08-2008, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Help, I am being attacked by spawn! Oh wait, it's only Schmidty roaming around the halls

Someone stole my damned spam!!!

Danny · 07-08-2008, 04:52 AM

I did, I made a sandwich with it and it was spamtastic!

Schmidty · 07-08-2008, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I did, I made a sandwich with it and it was spamtastic!

AHA!!!! Everyone knows that Spawn love Spam!! And Alliteration!!

Sorry Scary Spawn - You're Sunk!!!!

claphamsa · 07-08-2008, 07:21 AM

5 am..... u guys are dedicated!

claphamsa · 07-08-2008, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

UTR Level

Okay, at this point of the thread, these players have less posts than me (4):

The Jackal (3)
Danny (3)
st.cronin (3)
path12 (3)
Tyrith (2)
Schmidty (2)
PurdueBrad (2)
oliegirl (2)
KWhit (2)
Mrs. Schmidty (2)
Passacaglia (2)
mccollins (2)
Chubby (1)
Render (1)
claphamsa (1)
Telle (1)
jeheinz72 (1)
bulletsponge (1)
PackerFanatic (1)

sorry got nothing to say

Passacaglia · 07-08-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I assure you a vote for me would be a waste.

Well played.

claphamsa · 07-08-2008, 08:11 AM

FYI any advice on to how to go about this complex rule set is always appreciated! luckily i have a basic basic role and its pretty easy to understand

oliegirl · 07-08-2008, 08:45 AM

Wow - not a lot to catch up on this morning...I'm kind of relieved actually

So when does the "action" start and we get to start work and search for Spawn???

Alan T · 07-08-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Wow - not a lot to catch up on this morning...I'm kind of relieved actually

So when does the "action" start and we get to start work and search for Spawn???

We'll be landing shortly. Please make sure your seats are upright and your tray tables are closed. As always, thank you for riding Spawn Airlines.

I assume BK will flip to day 1 at 10am which I believe is the normal morning time for the day phase.

Barkeep49 · 07-08-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

We'll be landing shortly. Please make sure your seats are upright and your tray tables are closed. As always, thank you for riding Spawn Airlines.

I assume BK will flip to day 1 at 10am which I believe is the normal morning time for the day phase.

Indeed. Night actions are due by 9 AM and I will then process them. I expect the game to start about 45 minutes from now.

Barkeep49 · 07-08-2008, 08:58 AM

Quick note. Away missions now have a BASE 10% chance of having someone infected. There are modifiers which affect this infection chance.

Alan T · 07-08-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Quick note. Away missions now have a BASE 10% chance of having someone infected. There are modifiers which affect this infection chance.

BK, can you clarify this for us. I read it in the rules subtly different previously...

Is it a 10% chance for each away mission member to possibly be infected, or a 10% total chance for a single infection on the away team? ie: Can there be more than one infection in a single away team if you are unlucky enough?

Barkeep49 · 07-08-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Potential loophole alert - can the Trainer train a person to be a Trainer? If so, we will have a lot of flexibility to add Specialists throughout the game.

Indeed. That is a loophole and one I had thought and was going to close by having him use equipment in the Security HQ, but then decided I didn't like that restriction and forgot to reclose it. The trainer must now use equipment located in the sleeping berths, of which there is only one set. So there may be multiple trainers, but only one training each day.

mccollins · 07-08-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Indeed. That is a loophole and one I had thought and was going to close by having him use equipment in the Security HQ, but then decided I didn't like that restriction and forgot to reclose it. The trainer must now use equipment located in the sleeping berths, of which there is only one set. So there may be multiple trainers, but only one training each day.

And if there are 2 trainers and both want to train on a day, how is that resolved? First to PM instructions to you?

Barkeep49 · 07-08-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

BK, can you clarify this for us. I read it in the rules subtly different previously...

Is it a 10% chance for each away mission member to possibly be infected, or a 10% total chance for a single infection on the away team? ie: Can there be more than one infection in a single away team if you are unlucky enough?

It's 10% for each person. That has always been the rate.

Barkeep49 · 07-08-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

And if there are 2 trainers and both want to train on a day, how is that resolved? First to PM instructions to you?

Yup.

mccollins · 07-08-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

You can't train me into a super engineer?

Looks like an engineer is already listed as a specialist so I don't know that I can train you into a more special specialist in that of a Chief Engineer.

mccollins · 07-08-2008, 09:14 AM

I should point out that my equipment won't be ready to use to train others until Day 2.

mccollins · 07-08-2008, 09:16 AM

Also, as the game goes on, we'll need to think and talk about what would be most useful for the privates to become:

Quote:

Privates

Claphamsa
Marc Vaughn
Chubby
bulletsponge

07-07-2008, 10:07 PM	#156
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Checking in. Not a wolf. just kidding. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

07-07-2008, 10:24 PM	#160
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	My goal, actually, is to get up to at least 10 posts. That way, you guys will have a good judgment point on which to figure who your UTR players are. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

07-07-2008, 10:36 PM	#164
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Aha. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-08-2008, 01:42 AM	#175
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Good points about revealing my results of examinations, I'll take those points into account when making decisions -- I had forgotten that it was public knowledge who I picked. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-08-2008, 03:16 AM	#176
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Anybody want some peanuts and Dasani? __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-07-2008, 10:01 PM	#152
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Er, point #1 above should read: "Public role - even a cleared guy may not be an optimal Spawn target when factoring in the public roles"

07-07-2008, 10:06 PM	#154
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Engineer Danny checking in. I've read all the rules and AlanT's recommendations for repairing. Any other tips here for day one?

07-07-2008, 10:13 PM	#158
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Sure, but that is part of the beauty of this game - there are a series of risk/reward decisions that you get to make along the way. Saldana is right that the jail option should be a weapon in our arsenal. It is up to us to use it correctly. Hmm, pretty short post by Chief Rum. Did he think I was bluffing on my voting criteria for this game?

07-07-2008, 10:27 PM	#161
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I will do my best to keep people healed, and I tend to agree that we should steer clear from Spawn whenever we can - they'll have enough opportunity to infiltrate without us making it easier.

07-07-2008, 10:36 PM	#163
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	As a new player, I would prefer the slower game play experience at the beginning as well and go to the less infected area.

07-07-2008, 10:42 PM	#166
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Ok, reading the thread feels like a normal game, but that enormous ruleset looms large up there. Incidentally, I got a PM, but I noticed I'm not listed with my role up at the beginning of the thread.

07-07-2008, 10:55 PM	#167
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I am not sure which way to go on going for the big reward early or the safer way first. If there an spawns yet, maybe we take an early risk but I'm up for what the group wants.

07-07-2008, 10:57 PM	#168
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'll take this opportunity to warn about some potential scheduling challenges for me over the next week: Wednesday - client visit, unlikely to be able to access FOFC from site. Friday (noonish) - going on 3 day weekend trip with wife, not back until Sunday afternoon/evening. Hopefully these don't create too much in the way of problems with getting actions in, but at the very least I won't be all that active in discussing away missions or whatever else goes on during the day.

07-08-2008, 12:08 AM	#172
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Potential loophole alert - can the Trainer train a person to be a Trainer? If so, we will have a lot of flexibility to add Specialists throughout the game.

07-08-2008, 12:31 AM	#174
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	You can't train me into a super engineer?

07-08-2008, 03:21 AM	#177
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	UTR Level Okay, at this point of the thread, these players have less posts than me (4): The Jackal (3) Danny (3) st.cronin (3) path12 (3) Tyrith (2) Schmidty (2) PurdueBrad (2) oliegirl (2) KWhit (2) Mrs. Schmidty (2) Passacaglia (2) mccollins (2) Chubby (1) Render (1) claphamsa (1) Telle (1) jeheinz72 (1) bulletsponge (1) PackerFanatic (1) __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

07-08-2008, 03:35 AM	#178
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Quality, not quantity my friend. (Hehe. I said tity.) __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-08-2008, 03:36 AM	#179
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Dola. Now we're even. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-08-2008, 03:36 AM	#180
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Double Dola. pwned!!! __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-08-2008, 04:48 AM	#181
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Help, I am being attacked by spawn! Oh wait, it's only Schmidty roaming around the halls

07-08-2008, 04:52 AM	#183
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I did, I made a sandwich with it and it was spamtastic!

07-08-2008, 07:21 AM	#185
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	5 am..... u guys are dedicated! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-08-2008, 08:11 AM	#188
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	FYI any advice on to how to go about this complex rule set is always appreciated! luckily i have a basic basic role and its pretty easy to understand __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-08-2008, 08:58 AM	#192
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Quick note. Away missions now have a BASE 10% chance of having someone infected. There are modifiers which affect this infection chance.

07-08-2008, 09:14 AM	#199
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	I should point out that my equipment won't be ready to use to train others until Day 2.

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