NFL Week 6-Revised Bounty Suspensions.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

well that was pathetic Cards-now have to wait and see how badly Kolb is hurt

As much as Kolb looks exactly like the guy who paid Dirk Diggler to jack it, Skelton looked like a statue.

[DaddyTorgo]

This Patriots defense is still brutal. Jeez. Good on stripping the ball, but man they can't get off the field.

(and yes - I DVR'd so I'm actually catching up...still 8mins to go in the 4th Q in my watching).

[Grover]

Originally Posted by stevew

As much as Kolb looks exactly like the guy who paid Dirk Diggler to jack it, Skelton looked like a statue.

Bahahahahhahahahha!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

This Patriots defense is still brutal. Jeez. Good on stripping the ball, but man they can't get off the field.

(and yes - I DVR'd so I'm actually catching up...still 8mins to go in the 4th Q in my watching).

//sigh

Yeah - i'm officially done believing this team can do anything until they actually develop a defensive backfield that isn't fucking embarassing. Pathetic.

[Logan]

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Logan

I watching exactly that at the time and thought it was really annoying. We couldn't tell what was going on in any one of the three games. They should've sequenced them at full screen like they normally do.

[BlackJack]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I'd love...LOVE to see the 49ers just pummel the Giants today. Something like 42-10. Just complete domination in every phase of the game, not unlike the 49ers last two games.

Then I'd like to see Gillbride blame the loss on Justin Smith holding onto his O-linemen, or something else equally minuscule.

Nailed it!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

G-Men!

QFT

[RedKingGold]

Seems like this could be the most wide-open NFL season in awhile, no team has really taken the conch and run with it. Sure, Atlanta and Houston are undefeated, but Atlanta hasn't really looked dominant in any of their games thus far and Houston has not really been tested yet.

[Julio Riddols]

After the conch gets passed around enough, nobody is even going to want it.

[Lathum]

Had to DVR the game because they were showing my house, a few replies and comments...

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Eli has an incredible ability to come up with the big play at the right time.

Some people would call that clutch. Some people say there is no such thing. all I know is as a Giants fan there is honestly no one else in football I would want in a big spot. He never gets rattled.

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

The Giants receivers are fantastic, they just seem to catch everything thrown at them.

People say White-Jones is the best WR combo in the league, but when Nicks is healthy I'll take him and Cruz any day. And that doesnt even factor in our 4-5 receivers are capable of making huge plays with a 6-6 Barten and Randell who was a 2nd round pick and currently a big ST contributor. Plus Bennet is having a break out year with Eli throwing to him.

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Giants WR's are making all the plays right now against the SF secondary.

Cruz made Rodgers his bitch

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Akers can't get out of his own way right now. Damn that would have been a nice 6 point swing.

In fairness it was a 52 yarder in candlestick, no easy feat.

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Niners kryptonite continues to be there special teams coverage unit, especially their kick off team.

Wilson was huge in the return game and if he shows he can protect the football he and Bradshaw will be a scary 1-2 combo

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Giants laying the wood in SF today and should be up by more.

I was pretty worried until about halfway through the 4th quarter, too many field goals when they should have put them away with touchdowns off the turnovers.

Originally Posted by jeff061

Worst game I've seen the Pats play in years. They did the hard stuff and failed at all the easy stuff.

Playing in Seattle will do that to you. My coworkers will be insufferable tomorrow.

As for the Giants they obviously player their best game of the season, I'm hoping this will give them some momentum going into what is the toughest schedule in the NFL the rest of the season.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Playing in Seattle will do that to you. My coworkers will be insufferable tomorrow.

So you are trying to tell me they have peyton manning and a team of randy moss's in their prime playing for Seattle?

[SnowMan]

Who else had Seattle beating Dallas, Green Bay, Carolina and New England? Me neither. Crazy season so far.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by jeff061

So you are trying to tell me they have peyton manning and a team of randy moss's in their prime playing for Seattle?

Seattle is one of the harder places to get a win all things considered equal.

[jeff061]

I don't even know what that means. WRs run down field, QB drops back and hail mary's it and completes it a half dozen times, maybe 1 of them could be considered a good throw. What does that have to do with anything but the Pats clueless secondary.

[Izulde]

Speaking of the NFL, I have to ask: Who picks the writers for Bleacher Report? The articles on there are consistently terrible - on the level of bad high school journalism.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeff061

I don't even know what that means. WRs run down field, QB drops back and hail mary's it and completes it a half dozen times, maybe 1 of them could be considered a good throw. What does that have to do with anything but the Pats clueless secondary.

I didnt even watch the game, I am basing my comment off yours.

[molson]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Yeah - i'm officially done believing this team can do anything until they actually develop a defensive backfield that isn't fucking embarassing. Pathetic.

That's earlier than usual, DT.

You don't need a defense to get to the Super Bowl, the Patriots proved that last year, and their defense this year is superior to last year's (and the running game is much, much better, and will show it more in weeks they don't play in Seattle). The Pats were very marginal favorites in this game, the Seahawks are good generally, they're awesome at home, and they needed a few dopey Brady plays to win.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I watching exactly that at the time and thought it was really annoying. We couldn't tell what was going on in any one of the three games. They should've sequenced them at full screen like they normally do.

A-fucking-men!

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I watching exactly that at the time and thought it was really annoying. We couldn't tell what was going on in any one of the three games. They should've sequenced them at full screen like they normally do.

The DirectTV RedZone channel did just that. They'll go split screen sometimes but I've never seen them try three screens. Saw the Arizona FG live and then the other two touchdowns right after and thoroughly enjoyed it.

[Jas_lov]

I haven't figured out this Packer team yet. Another great 1st half, hopefully they can finish it this time. If they can get through this 3-3 they've got some winnable games before the bye. They might not have any linebackers left but they'll be back on track. O-line looks really good tonight.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by molson

That's earlier than usual, DT.

You don't need a defense to get to the Super Bowl, the Patriots proved that last year, and their defense this year is superior to last year's (and the running game is much, much better, and will show it more in weeks they don't play in Seattle). The Pats were very marginal favorites in this game, the Seahawks are good generally, they're awesome at home, and they needed a few dopey Brady plays to win.

Pats absolutely killed themselves with stupid mistakes and horrible Brady play in this game though.

I'm just sick of having a shit-defense for years now. Feels like they can't stop anybody.

Not saying I won't watch, but my expectatons have gone from 13-3/12-4 to like...10-6.

[Lathum]

I think the Packers are trying to prove a point

[Matthean]

I think this is also a game where one team needed it way more than the other. A 2-4 Packer team would have had a rather uphill battle for even getting into the playoffs. Houston with a loss is still 3.5 games up in their division.

[SirFozzie]

The Good news: I had Rodgers in my FF league, and he scored me 38 points.

The bad news: My opponent has Jordy Nelson, who scored 30, and thus he's going to beat me

[bronconick]

The Texans looked like last year's Lions out there. "Oh, we stopped them, allow me to commit this bonehead penalty and extend your drive" at least three different times leading to at least 11 more points.

[EagleFan]

That sucked. Hoped to see them make a run at 19-0. I guess the geezers are celebrating.

[Easy Mac]

Umm NFL Gamecast - Oakland vs Atlanta

[Alan T]

Good time for a bye week for the Falcons coming up. The last three weeks have not been confident wins at all. They come back off of the bye with a tough game on the road at Phily.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I watching exactly that at the time and thought it was really annoying. We couldn't tell what was going on in any one of the three games. They should've sequenced them at full screen like they normally do.

I thought it was exciting and awesome. Definitely a fun moment to see all of that unfold at once.

RedZone is the best.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I thought it was exciting and awesome. Definitely a fun moment to see all of that unfold at once.

RedZone is the best.

I agree. I was watching on a 46" screen and could see everything just fine. And to me, part of the greatness of it was seeing all 3 happen "boom-boom-boom" that any production surrounding it would have diminished it.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Speaking of the NFL, I have to ask: Who picks the writers for Bleacher Report? The articles on there are consistently terrible - on the level of bad high school journalism.

Your answer is in your sentence

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by molson

That's earlier than usual, DT.

You don't need a defense to get to the Super Bowl, the Patriots proved that last year, and their defense this year is superior to last year's (and the running game is much, much better, and will show it more in weeks they don't play in Seattle). The Pats were very marginal favorites in this game, the Seahawks are good generally, they're awesome at home, and they needed a few dopey Brady plays to win.

Their front 7 is better. I would argue their secondary is even worse than last year somehow. Teams are going to start tossing up long bombs every time knowing they'll get a PI because the cb didn't turn around or a 50 yard completion because both safeties thought it was a run. Wilson had 3 completions over 45 yards! The coaching staff needs to look at the schemes it's running and how they're developing players. This is no longer a talent issue.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Their front 7 is better. I would argue their secondary is even worse than last year somehow. Teams are going to start tossing up long bombs every time knowing they'll get a PI because the cb didn't turn around or a 50 yard completion because both safeties thought it was a run. Wilson had 3 completions over 45 yards! The coaching staff needs to look at the schemes it's running and how they're developing players. This is no longer a talent issue.

Their secondary is pretty terrible but I'm not sure in the 2012 NFL HOW terrible it is - it seems like everyone gets big plays and tons of passing yards.

I do wonder how much longer it will be until more arena league-type thinking comes into these games. Just like at the super bowl, once the Seahawks got to the 50, I wondered if the better strategy might be just to let them score and go for a FG to win. Maybe we're not there quite yet, but the odds of the Patriots stopping the Sehawks for scoring there can't be that much better than the odds of the Patriots getting a FG in 3 or 4 minutes.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by molson

Their secondary is pretty terrible but I'm not sure in the 2012 NFL HOW terrible it is - it seems like everyone gets big plays and tons of passing yards.

I do wonder how much longer it will be until more arena league-type thinking comes into these games. Just like at the super bowl, once the Seahawks got to the 50, I wondered if the better strategy might be just to let them score and go for a FG to win. Maybe we're not there quite yet, but the odds of the Patriots stopping the Sehawks for scoring there can't be that much better than the odds of the Patriots getting a FG in 3 or 4 minutes.

Well they generally rank near last in yards passing allowed, so pretty terrible, even in context. I know the bend-don't-break, make big play, philosophy from the SB years. It obviously doesn't work anymore. I didn't see Seattle get whistled for PI on every long pass. I saw good technique and coverage.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Well they generally rank near last in yards passing allowed, so pretty terrible, even in context. I know the bend-don't-break, make big play, philosophy from the SB years. It obviously doesn't work anymore. I didn't see Seattle get whistled for PI on every long pass. I saw good technique and coverage.

There's a lot of people jumping of bridges over a 1-point loss to the best defensive team (according to the announcers, I don't know how true that is) on the road, by 1 point, in a game where your QB made several uncharacteristic bad decisions. I don't think anything's "obvious" after that game, except what I already knew, Seattle's a tough place to play.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by molson

Their secondary is pretty terrible but I'm not sure in the 2012 NFL HOW terrible it is - it seems like everyone gets big plays and tons of passing yards.

I do wonder how much longer it will be until more arena league-type thinking comes into these games. Just like at the super bowl, once the Seahawks got to the 50, I wondered if the better strategy might be just to let them score and go for a FG to win. Maybe we're not there quite yet, but the odds of the Patriots stopping the Sehawks for scoring there can't be that much better than the odds of the Patriots getting a FG in 3 or 4 minutes.

Well they generally rank near last in yards passing allowed, so pretty terrible, even in context. I know the bend-don't-break, make big play, philosophy from the SB years. It obviously doesn't work anymore. I didn't see Seattle get whistled for PI on every long pass. I saw good technique and coverage.

For example, forcing the sideline receiver out of bounds in the end zone. You never see them do that.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by molson

There's a lot of people jumping of bridges over a 1-point loss to the best defensive team (according to the announcers, I don't know how true that is) on the road, by 1 point, in a game where your QB made several uncharacteristic bad decisions. I don't think anything's "obvious" after that game, except what I already knew, Seattle's a tough place to play.

I think you have blinders on then. Agreed that this particular loss can be pinned on Brady and the staff. The lost field goal by itself was the difference between winning and losing. However, we see the same defensive mistakes being made week in and week out over the course of several years. If the offensive makes any mistakes at all, you know they're hosed, which is a terrible amount of pressure to put on the offense.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by molson

That's earlier than usual, DT.

You don't need a defense to get to the Super Bowl, the Patriots proved that last year, and their defense this year is superior to last year's (and the running game is much, much better, and will show it more in weeks they don't play in Seattle). The Pats were very marginal favorites in this game, the Seahawks are good generally, they're awesome at home, and they needed a few dopey Brady plays to win.

The Patriots were also exceptionally lucky last year, schedule-wise. The only team they beat with a winning record was Baltimore in the AFC Championship (and that game was handed to them). That's never happened to any other team in NFL history. Otherwise, their only games against teams with winning records were against the 9-7 Giants and the 12-4 Steelers and lost both games.

I think this years' Patsies team may actually be better than last years', even if the record doesn't show it. Of course, they're about to hit what looks like a pretty easy run in the next few weeks - STL, BUF, IND, NYJ and MIA. I'd be surprised if they don't win at least 4 of those 5 games.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I think you have blinders on then. Agreed that this particular loss can be pinned on Brady and the staff. The lost field goal by itself was the difference between winning and losing. However, we see the same defensive mistakes being made week in and week out over the course of several years. If the offensive makes any mistakes at all, you know they're hosed, which is a terrible amount of pressure to put on the offense.

Exactly. It's not necessarily this one loss. It's the fact that it's been the same damn problem for years, with zero evidence that there's any improvement, or fuck...at this point even recognition of it by the coaching staff, or ability to improve it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

What a lousy day. I don't think a single team that I wanted to see win/lose, did. Except for Eagles.

Glad the Lions could oblige, Bucc!

[molson]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

The Patriots were also exceptionally lucky last year, schedule-wise. The only team they beat with a winning record was Baltimore in the AFC Championship (and that game was handed to them). That's never happened to any other team in NFL history. Otherwise, their only games against teams with winning records were against the 9-7 Giants and the 12-4 Steelers and lost both games.

I think this years' Patsies team may actually be better than last years', even if the record doesn't show it. Of course, they're about to hit what looks like a pretty easy run in the next few weeks - STL, BUF, IND, NYJ and MIA. I'd be surprised if they don't win at least 4 of those 5 games.

There's a lot of people jumping of bridges over a 1-point loss to the best defensive team (according to the announcers, I don't know how true that is) on the road, by 1 point, in a game where your QB made several uncharacteristic bad decisions. I don't think anything's "obvious" after that game, except what I already knew, Seattle's a tough place to play. If they scored a TD or even a FG at the end of the first half and won, nobody would be freaking out about the defense this morning. Looking at some of the defensive stats, they look like they're around that 22-27 rank in most of the passing stats - which is also about where they are in passing attempts faced.

On the flip side, they're #1, by a pretty large margin in expected points contributed by rushing defense - I'm not exactly sure what that is, but its the only "advanced" stat quickly available on my profootballreference search. So overall on defense, they're right in the middle of the pack by that same metric. I'm just not seeing epic defensive failure, or certainly, not any more than last year's super bowl team had.

I'm a little more concerned about the offense. Yesterday would have been a 20-point win kind of game regardless of the big plays given up on defense in a lot of prior years.

[molson]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Exactly. It's not necessarily this one loss. It's the fact that it's been the same damn problem for years, with zero evidence that there's any improvement, or fuck...at this point even recognition of it by the coaching staff, or ability to improve it.

I think you've forgotten what it's like to root for a bad team. This team with this "damn problem" went to the super bowl last year, and a bunch of other years, and haven't had a losing season since 2000. And you're all pissed off and giving up on them 6 games in. This run is as good as things possibly get as a sports fan.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

If the offensive makes any mistakes at all, you know they're hosed, which is a terrible amount of pressure to put on the offense.

I wouldn't say "any mistakes at all". The Patriots aren't going to win a huge % of their games in which they can only score 23 points, but that's true of a lot of teams.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

The Patriots were also exceptionally lucky last year, schedule-wise. The only team they beat with a winning record was Baltimore in the AFC Championship (and that game was handed to them). That's never happened to any other team in NFL history. Otherwise, their only games against teams with winning records were against the 9-7 Giants and the 12-4 Steelers and lost both games.

I think this years' Patsies team may actually be better than last years', even if the record doesn't show it. Of course, they're about to hit what looks like a pretty easy run in the next few weeks - STL, BUF, IND, NYJ and MIA. I'd be surprised if they don't win at least 4 of those 5 games.

They had a fortunate schedule, but not quite as fortunate as the final breakdown suggests (they played an unusual number of 8-8 teams, and a few that collapsed to 8-8 if I recall.) But the point's still there, if you have an epically terrible defense, but can still beat anyone .500 or less with no problem, and beat winning teams if the ball bounces your way, then defense doesn't matter that much, and you're not too far away as it is.

[molson]

Dola, my only point though is, I'm not giving up on the Patriots this year and I think it's silly to do so after that game. Who's clearly better than them in the AFC? Houston probably (who, speaking of defense, just gave up 42 points to a team that hasn't been good all year), maybe Baltimore (though I think that depends on home field, and even then, that would be your typically ugly Ravens/Pats playoff game that could go either way). That's it. And if Green Bay can score 42 on Texas, certainly the Pats offense can if they're on.

[Jas_lov]

There's no great team. Just get to the playoffs and get hot, that's the formula. Atlanta has done this before and got spanked by a hot Packers team in the playoffs. The Texans are going to appear better than they are because they play in the worst division.

[stevew]

Kind of sucks that we may have seen the last of Ray Lewis. I wonder how many tackles he will record the rest of the way in street clothes.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by stevew

Kind of sucks that we may have seen the last of Ray Lewis. I wonder how many tackles he will record the rest of the way in street clothes.

Can't remember who the Ravens played last week, but, watching Ray Lewis run after someone was like watching someone in a wheel chair trying to chase down the bus they are about to miss.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by molson

I think you've forgotten what it's like to root for a bad team. This team with this "damn problem" went to the super bowl last year, and a bunch of other years, and haven't had a losing season since 2000. And you're all pissed off and giving up on them 6 games in. This run is as good as things possibly get as a sports fan.

Again - I didn't say I was giving up. In fact I expressly said I wasn't giving up, Just....adjusting my expectations.