WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN - Page 4

Commo_Soldier · 10-03-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Actually, Chief Rum is the one person that I've started to put a smidge of trust upon at this stage in the game. I had put something out earlier in a post that he seems to have caught, and with him being the first to comment on it in-thread makes me give him some early marginal trust.

That said, I wouldn't want to see you or Danny end up as the Day 1 lynch options. I think my vote today, at least where it stands right now, supports that position.

Not sure I would give that any trust as you have stated every one must have an item and it is entirely possible a wolf could have the same item as you. As for everyone bringing lumber from looking at abe's posts some would probably have charms. What are our thoughts on these? I would guess they protect us from conversion, or at least give us a better chance to resist. Maybe we should get it to the people that gave spell abilities and can convert because of using it.

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I would loom strongly at those who put 2nd votes on Danny and I early.

I actually quite like the idea of looming strongly on someone.

Check out Mr Big Head saying he's a leet villager though.

Chief Rum · 10-03-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Went to double-check that, as I didn't recall that being the case. But you are correct.

So pull back that smidge of trust for Chief, and I'm back to a net zero on everyone in the game.

Bummer. Out from under hoops' security blanket, I feel a little bit more alone and vulnerable.

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 12:40 PM

On the other hand, I do find the continued trend of day one voting of Danny to be noteworthy and not a bit suspicious. The only guy with a vote there is

Unvote MrBug
Vote The Jackal

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 12:42 PM

Not adverse to looming strongly (sic) at Lathum at the moment either. He says he won't be around which could mean he could sail through the game.

Commo_Soldier · 10-03-2011, 12:46 PM

Looks like the first part of my comment was kind of addressed in the time it took me to post, hate having to use phone during day. But you did say earlier hoops you looked at the rules and saw everyone gets an item, so not sure how you missed on you a second recheck of the rules to see wolves get items to. Not saying you are a wolf because of it, just making an observation.

hoopsguy · 10-03-2011, 12:50 PM

Commo, I did re-read the rules last night. And I'll likely reference the rules another 10-20 times before the game is out, assuming I'm fortunate enough to stick around for a few days.

Maybe it is a reading comprehension issue, but I normally have to hit that page a ton of times to make sure I'm properly processing everything and that my assumptions are good. When I read it last night I had thought it said something to the extent of all Lightbringers start with an item. The point Dubb raised made me double-check this and sure enough it is all players.

Autumn · 10-03-2011, 12:57 PM

Do we know what happens to items on lynch or night kill? I'll look into that in the rules, it would be good to know. CF said we did poorly last game utilizing our items and I'd like to see us make good use of them here. Particularly if certain items will be better used in certain people's hands.

Commo_Soldier · 10-03-2011, 12:59 PM

I'm sure we all will, just was curious because you said everyone received an item earlier. As I stated, don't think you're a wolf at this point just for that, your explanation seems you just misspoke.

dubb93 · 10-03-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Check out Mr Big Head saying he's a leet villager though.

You are either trying to make a joke or trying to troll me.

Please direct quote where I said this.

Commo_Soldier · 10-03-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Do we know what happens to items on lynch or night kill? I'll look into that in the rules, it would be good to know. CF said we did poorly last game utilizing our items and I'd like to see us make good use of them here. Particularly if certain items will be better used in certain people's hands.

If I read rules correctly, wolves take all items off of night kill victim. since item passing is last we will have to be careful on starting where items are going before deadline.

Lathum · 10-03-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Care to elaborate?

nothing to elaborate on. Got a 23/1 shot to get a wolf.

Chief Rum · 10-03-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

You are either trying to make a joke or trying to troll me.

Please direct quote where I said this.

Narc's joking.

mauchow · 10-03-2011, 01:22 PM

Vote lathum

Villager checking in

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I would loom strongly at those who put 2nd votes on Danny and I early.

Suggests you consider yourself too good a village to be getting an early day one 2nd vote (I thought). Maybe you just meant that anyone putting a second vote on someone at this stage was suspect, which I disagree with strongly.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. And yeah, it's what passes for a joke around my way.

Chief Rum · 10-03-2011, 01:29 PM

lol...mauboy1 floats into the game on the traditional Vote Lathum parachute.

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 01:31 PM

I'm happier voting Lathum than teh Jackal.

Unvote Jackal
Vote Lathum

I'm not around round deadline so I have to get my wild unvote/vote sequences in early.

Chief Rum · 10-03-2011, 01:31 PM

FTR, I do consider dubb to be in the small group of players I don't want to vote for early because of his value to the village if he's on our side. It would have to be a compelling case, which is rare on Day One, for me to want to do that vote.

He, Danny, hoops and you, Narc, are good examples of players I have in that grouping in my mind. There are others, but just grabbing names off the top of my head.

dubb93 · 10-03-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Suggests you consider yourself too good a village to be getting an early day one 2nd vote (I thought). Maybe you just meant that anyone putting a second vote on someone at this stage was suspect, which I disagree with strongly.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. And yeah, it's what passes for a joke around my way.

No I consider Danny too good for a D1 vote. I thought I was pretty clear why the guy who voted me was sketchy. He seemed to be afraid I would slip UTR which IMO is laughable. Neither of them IMO were/are good votes.

Granted it is D1, but that would be like me stepping in and voting Hoops b/c he is illogical. It just doesn't make any sense as a voting basis.

dubb93 · 10-03-2011, 01:37 PM

Vote Lathum

Too early to claim self preservation?

saldana · 10-03-2011, 01:49 PM

ok, so a couple things here...first, just to make dubb happy, i'm a she...that said, there is absolutely no way Dubb makes it through any game UTR

second, EF...yeah...I'm a niners fan...I wont vote for you cuz i figure you are already close to ending it all anyway, so i wont push you any further than that craptastic team of yours did yesterday

last, just to preserve my standard operating procedure (and consequently make him unhappy)

vote dubb93

Autumn · 10-03-2011, 01:49 PM

Okay yes, the bad guys get items off anyone they kill. But I wonder what happens to people we lynch. They can't pass the item until night, so they're out of luck there. Hopefully those go in some random method and not to bad guys as well.

saldana · 10-03-2011, 01:52 PM

and now that i have maintained the status quo
unvote dubb

for those of you that dont know...i always vote for dubb on the first day in every game we play together, but i agree with the idea that he is too valuable to take out so early, i just like to mess with him...there is nothing else to see here other than a long standing WW rivalry, so before anyone decides to read into it, don't.

Danny · 10-03-2011, 01:59 PM

I wake up and we're on page four already

Autumn · 10-03-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I wake up and we're on page four already

Don't worry, we lynched you already.

Danny · 10-03-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

The biggest future plan of action I can think of is: On Day three, we should lynch one of a group of people who people are always saying are "good wolves".

Good thing I am a crappy wolf

Danny · 10-03-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

vote Danny

Yeah, I know he's a Raiders fan but that's close enough to San Francisco.

Are you still mad I beat you in fantasy football?

Zinto · 10-03-2011, 02:05 PM

I hate Mondays! I am going to throw a second vote on J23 because I want to and he made me beat myself up, for the majority of last game.

Vote J23

Danny · 10-03-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

So let me get this straight, you are worried that I of all people could slip UTR? Have you ever played with me? We both know the answer to that as well as we both know the odds of me slipping through this UTR are the same as Saldana's first game post admitting he is really a she.

Damn Dubb, you are in this game? You were so under the rader, I did not notice.

Danny · 10-03-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I would loom strongly at those who put 2nd votes on Danny and I early.

I agree with this, as I am reading through, I was surprised about your votes (except the first one).

Grammaticus · 10-03-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

nothing to elaborate on. Got a 23/1 shot to get a wolf.

So,you know there is only one wolf? Or am I misreading your ratio 23/1?

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Good thing I am a crappy wolf

Ahh. The old "I'm a crap wolf" defence. Tish and Pish I say.

Although, true for me as well. Except when I'm getting a lot of coaching from a level-headed experienced wolfie. If I ever get in a team with hoops or Chief then the WW world had better watch out. Oh yes. Or not.

Danny · 10-03-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Don't worry, we lynched you already.

Damn! Oh well, good luck village!

Danny · 10-03-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Ahh. The old "I'm a crap wolf" defence. Tish and Pish I say.

Although, true for me as well. Except when I'm getting a lot of coaching from a level-headed experienced wolfie. If I ever get in a team with hoops or Chief then the WW world had better watch out. Oh yes. Or not.

I actually don't think I am crappy wolf, but I do think I am a better villager than wolf. And you're not a crappy wolf either.

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Are you still mad I beat you in fantasy football?

I bet your team had a great centaur forward.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! HA! I literally just thought of that now. I was toying with throwing a ghoul keeper in there as well, but common-sense saved the day.

Except you all call it soccer.

Autumn · 10-03-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I actually don't think I am crappy wolf, but I do think I am a better villager than wolf. And you're not a crappy wolf either.

Get a room.

Autumn · 10-03-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

So,you know there is only one wolf? Or am I misreading your ratio 23/1?

I don't remember the last game very clearly. Did it start with one wolf?

Autumn · 10-03-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

I bet your team had a great centaur forward.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! HA! I literally just thought of that now. I was toying with throwing a ghoul keeper in there as well, but common-sense saved the day.

Except you all call it soccer.

*slow clap*

Danny · 10-03-2011, 02:16 PM

I caught up and re read the rules. I don't have too much more to add. We have quite a few roles, but due to the large number of players, most are still vanilla villagers. In general I would lean toward 1 or at the most 2 starting Red Death members. If there is one, the leader almost certainly has some sort of anti lynching power and the ability to quickly convert night 1.

Danny · 10-03-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Get a room.

I don't know what Narcizo looks like, I would need to see pics first.

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

So,you know there is only one wolf? Or am I misreading your ratio 23/1?

Or you're trying to make too much out of an electronic slip of the toungue.

Lathum · 10-03-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

So,you know there is only one wolf? Or am I misreading your ratio 23/1?

yeah, one wolf ,me.

Lynch me and it is game over!

Lathum · 10-03-2011, 02:19 PM

dola- what I meant by 23/1 was D1 there is no one that is cleared and we have almost no information, so there are 23 players whi could be wolves, I'm the one who I know for a fact is not a wolf.

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

If there is one, the leader almost certainly has some sort of anti lynching power and the ability to quickly convert night 1.

Pretty radical having just the one starting baddy. Particularly if you think there is a vampire and a were-something role in there to match the villager roles. The rules/flavour seemed to suggest that conversions would happen early in the game. I think bad guy counting isn't going to be a very productive avenue this game (did I say that already)?

Autumn · 10-03-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Pretty radical having just the one starting baddy. Particularly if you think there is a vampire and a were-something role in there to match the villager roles. The rules/flavour seemed to suggest that conversions would happen early in the game. I think bad guy counting isn't going to be a very productive avenue this game (did I say that already)?

Yeah, well, this is an Abe game, so radical is the new normal.

I agree though there's probably at least a couple bad guys, maybe who can't communicate. Vampire, werewolf, insurance agent.

Narcizo · 10-03-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

yeah, one wolf ,me.

Lynch me and it is game over!

Meh. I'm getting "don't want to lynch Lathum" feelings now.

Ne'er mind. I shall manfully resist them.

SnDvls · 10-03-2011, 02:32 PM

Is Raiders Army the only person not to check in?

Lathum · 10-03-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Meh. I'm getting "don't want to lynch Lathum" feelings now.

Ne'er mind. I shall manfully resist them.

amen, brother, amen

The Jackal · 10-03-2011, 02:43 PM

Well enough time has passed that I can talk about my vote, it was on purpose and I didn't post reasoning intentionally. So often recently I've just been doing random D1 votes but I wanted to see what would happen in the immediate aftermath of me putting a good player up at 2 votes. I never wanted Danny to be a real candidate, just wanted to gauge reactions.

UNVOTE DANNY
VOTE BHLLOY

SnDvls · 10-03-2011, 02:46 PM

here's what I have for vote count

dubb - Thomkal (83),Bholly (125)
ntn - dzilla77 (84)
mauboy - ntn (88), hoops (129)
J23 - Autumn (116), Zinto (178)
Danny - EagleFan (117), Lathum (142)
Bhlloy - Commo Soldier (127), The Jackal (199)
The Jackal - SnDvls (141)
Lathum - mauboy1 (164), Narcizo (167), dubb93 (170)

Yet to vote: CrimsonFox, Danny, MrBug, J23, Raiders Army, Chief Rum, mckerney, Grammaticus

Voted then unvoted

MrBug - Narcizo (101)
The Jackal - Narcizo (154)
Dubb - saldana (171)
Danny - The Jackal (199)

10-03-2011, 12:46 PM	#156
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	Looks like the first part of my comment was kind of addressed in the time it took me to post, hate having to use phone during day. But you did say earlier hoops you looked at the rules and saw everyone gets an item, so not sure how you missed on you a second recheck of the rules to see wolves get items to. Not saying you are a wolf because of it, just making an observation. __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-03-2011, 12:59 PM	#159
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	I'm sure we all will, just was curious because you said everyone received an item earlier. As I stated, don't think you're a wolf at this point just for that, your explanation seems you just misspoke. __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-03-2011, 01:29 PM	#166
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	lol...mauboy1 floats into the game on the traditional Vote Lathum parachute. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-03-2011, 01:31 PM	#168
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	FTR, I do consider dubb to be in the small group of players I don't want to vote for early because of his value to the village if he's on our side. It would have to be a compelling case, which is rare on Day One, for me to want to do that vote. He, Danny, hoops and you, Narc, are good examples of players I have in that grouping in my mind. There are others, but just grabbing names off the top of my head. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-03-2011, 12:40 PM	#154
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	On the other hand, I do find the continued trend of day one voting of Danny to be noteworthy and not a bit suspicious. The only guy with a vote there is Unvote MrBug Vote The Jackal

10-03-2011, 12:42 PM	#155
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Not adverse to looming strongly (sic) at Lathum at the moment either. He says he won't be around which could mean he could sail through the game.

10-03-2011, 12:50 PM	#157
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Commo, I did re-read the rules last night. And I'll likely reference the rules another 10-20 times before the game is out, assuming I'm fortunate enough to stick around for a few days. Maybe it is a reading comprehension issue, but I normally have to hit that page a ton of times to make sure I'm properly processing everything and that my assumptions are good. When I read it last night I had thought it said something to the extent of all Lightbringers start with an item. The point Dubb raised made me double-check this and sure enough it is all players.

10-03-2011, 12:57 PM	#158
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Do we know what happens to items on lynch or night kill? I'll look into that in the rules, it would be good to know. CF said we did poorly last game utilizing our items and I'd like to see us make good use of them here. Particularly if certain items will be better used in certain people's hands.

10-03-2011, 01:22 PM	#164
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Vote lathum Villager checking in

10-03-2011, 01:31 PM	#167
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	I'm happier voting Lathum than teh Jackal. Unvote Jackal Vote Lathum I'm not around round deadline so I have to get my wild unvote/vote sequences in early.

10-03-2011, 01:49 PM	#171
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	ok, so a couple things here...first, just to make dubb happy, i'm a she...that said, there is absolutely no way Dubb makes it through any game UTR second, EF...yeah...I'm a niners fan...I wont vote for you cuz i figure you are already close to ending it all anyway, so i wont push you any further than that craptastic team of yours did yesterday last, just to preserve my standard operating procedure (and consequently make him unhappy) vote dubb93

10-03-2011, 01:49 PM	#172
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Okay yes, the bad guys get items off anyone they kill. But I wonder what happens to people we lynch. They can't pass the item until night, so they're out of luck there. Hopefully those go in some random method and not to bad guys as well.

10-03-2011, 01:52 PM	#173
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	and now that i have maintained the status quo unvote dubb for those of you that dont know...i always vote for dubb on the first day in every game we play together, but i agree with the idea that he is too valuable to take out so early, i just like to mess with him...there is nothing else to see here other than a long standing WW rivalry, so before anyone decides to read into it, don't.

10-03-2011, 01:59 PM	#174
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I wake up and we're on page four already

10-03-2011, 02:05 PM	#178
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I hate Mondays! I am going to throw a second vote on J23 because I want to and he made me beat myself up, for the majority of last game. Vote J23

10-03-2011, 02:16 PM	#189
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I caught up and re read the rules. I don't have too much more to add. We have quite a few roles, but due to the large number of players, most are still vanilla villagers. In general I would lean toward 1 or at the most 2 starting Red Death members. If there is one, the leader almost certainly has some sort of anti lynching power and the ability to quickly convert night 1.

10-03-2011, 02:19 PM	#193
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- what I meant by 23/1 was D1 there is no one that is cleared and we have almost no information, so there are 23 players whi could be wolves, I'm the one who I know for a fact is not a wolf.

10-03-2011, 02:32 PM	#197
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	Is Raiders Army the only person not to check in?

10-03-2011, 02:43 PM	#199
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Well enough time has passed that I can talk about my vote, it was on purpose and I didn't post reasoning intentionally. So often recently I've just been doing random D1 votes but I wanted to see what would happen in the immediate aftermath of me putting a good player up at 2 votes. I never wanted Danny to be a real candidate, just wanted to gauge reactions. UNVOTE DANNY VOTE BHLLOY

10-03-2011, 02:46 PM	#200
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	here's what I have for vote count dubb - Thomkal (83),Bholly (125) ntn - dzilla77 (84) mauboy - ntn (88), hoops (129) J23 - Autumn (116), Zinto (178) Danny - EagleFan (117), Lathum (142) Bhlloy - Commo Soldier (127), The Jackal (199) The Jackal - SnDvls (141) Lathum - mauboy1 (164), Narcizo (167), dubb93 (170) Yet to vote: CrimsonFox, Danny, MrBug, J23, Raiders Army, Chief Rum, mckerney, Grammaticus Voted then unvoted MrBug - Narcizo (101) The Jackal - Narcizo (154) Dubb - saldana (171) Danny - The Jackal (199)

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