Submarine exploring the titanic goes missing

[Edward64]

If someone really believes the US Coast Guard sits by idly while a boat, containing legal/illegal people, is sinking off the coast of Florida ... I'd like to see the links.

I can clearly see some mis-judgements and errors, but willing to bet the US Coast Guard comes in to help in vast majority of cases.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

If someone really believes the US Coast Guard sits by idly while a boat, containing legal/illegal people, is sinking off the coast of Florida ... I'd like to see the links.

I can clearly see some mis-judgements and errors, but willing to bet the US Coast Guard comes in to help in vast majority of cases.

They actually spend a large part of their time scouring the Keys for just that. It is a part of their mission, and they take that very seriously.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They actually spend a large part of their time scouring the Keys for just that. It is a part of their mission, and they take that very seriously.

Absolutely. I don't understand the whataboutism or as many here like to call out, the "both sides".

Oh, maybe its not the actual saving (because we know that happens), maybe it's how they are treated on the Coast Guard boat or sent back if illegal?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

my point was...there's no way the US or canada could help rescue a boat in Greece bercause we AREN'T THERE. I mean unless we have some boats there that are able to help.

I think our entire 6th fleet is there.

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

The sub thing was....whoever was in the area raced to help!
Watch an episode of Deadliest Catch. Every season they highlight a rescue from the coast guard. Sometimes they are not successful. sometimes they are. It is always a race against time and always the nearest boat races to try to help...because that's what you do.

They sent out over a dozen Coast Guard vessels, three C-130s, three C-17s, along with whatever the Canadians sent.

If you think a fishing boat out of Alaska (which we just had a few weeks ago) or migrants coming from Haiti, the Bahamas, or Cuba receive that kind of response, I've got some bad news for you.

[CrimsonFox]

whoa where did you find that liost ?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think our entire 6th fleet is there.



They sent out over a dozen Coast Guard vessels, three C-130s, three C-17s, along with whatever the Canadians sent.

If you think a fishing boat out of Alaska (which we just had a few weeks ago) or migrants coming from Haiti, the Bahamas, or Cuba receive that kind of response, I've got some bad news for you.

I don't know why we keep arguing this, but again: Finding a fishing boat doesn't require the same level of requirement that it does to find a sub thousands of feet under water. It is like comparing apples and zebras.

[RainMaker]

There's like a thousand articles on the response to Titan. This one mentions the planes but is vague on what the additional "assets" the Air National Guard, Coast Guard, and Navy sent.

Here's How the Military Is Helping Search for the Lost Titanic-Bound Sub | Military.com

[Edward64]

I have to say kudos to those that can look at, recover, take care of, autopsy etc. human remains after a horrendous event (Titan, airplane crashes etc.). I wonder if they are born somewhat immune or if their training has made them okay with seeing these situations. Probably both ... I know I couldn't sleep well after seeing.

Presumed human remains have been found within the wreckage of the Titan submersible, the US Coast Guard says.

Pieces from the sub, which imploded on a deep dive to the Titanic, were unloaded in St John's, Canada, on Wednesday.

Officials say the sub's landing frame and a rear cover were found among the debris.

US medical professionals will conduct a formal analysis of presumed remains, the coast guard said in a statement.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I have to say kudos to those that can look at, recover, take care of, autopsy etc. human remains after a horrendous event (Titan, airplane crashes etc.). I wonder if they are born somewhat immune or if their training has made them okay with seeing these situations. Probably both ... I know I couldn't sleep well after seeing.

My dad was a fire fighter. I think you get somewhat used to it, though I have found first responders and morticians have very morbid senses of humor. Fire fighters call burn victims "crispy critters" I believe in a way to make them less human. There were scenes my dad responded to that he refused to ever describe. As bad as burn scenes could be, car accidents are the ones that really got to him, especially kids.

My wife had a friend whose dad worked as a crime scene photographer for Atlanta Police. He on the other hand had no problem showing us his most gruesome pics. He had one of guy that jumped from the top floor of the Hyatt Regency downtown and landed half on a planter in the lobby. That one has never left me.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

My dad was a fire fighter. I think you get somewhat used to it, though I have found first responders and morticians have very morbid senses of humor. Fire fighters call burn victims "crispy critters" I believe in a way to make them less human. There were scenes my dad responded to that he refused to ever describe. As bad as burn scenes could be, car accidents are the ones that really got to him, especially kids.

My wife had a friend whose dad worked as a crime scene photographer for Atlanta Police. He on the other hand had no problem showing us his most gruesome pics. He had one of guy that jumped from the top floor of the Hyatt Regency downtown and landed half on a planter in the lobby. That one has never left me.

When I worked for Orkin mid 80's one of my accounts was the Compton Police Station and I was always escorted by someone I could best describe as Barney Fife, they didn't even let him have a gun. He was always eager to show me crime scene photos, that I really had no interest in seeing, but he literally shoved them into my face.

Another thing I learned from that place is how shoddy some crime scene evidence is maintained, it was eye opening.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I have to say kudos to those that can look at, recover, take care of, autopsy etc. human remains after a horrendous event (Titan, airplane crashes etc.). I wonder if they are born somewhat immune or if their training has made them okay with seeing these situations. Probably both ... I know I couldn't sleep well after seeing.

Largely, in my experience, a learned response. As GD noted, there's a definite dark humor that's common among the various professions where that sort of thing is (relative to the rest of us) encountered more frequently.

I know just from my news gathering days you build up a certain resistance, as well as coping mechanisms. Every fire/police/EMT I ever knew had about 50x the armor to it I had and I was pretty fn detatched after 10 years or so. Go to enough fatal wrecks, fatal fires, drowning recoveries and you have to find a way to deal with it.

The thing is though, of the various ones I got to know even reasonably well, I don't know if there were any who I ever came across who didn't run into the occasional thing that was simply too much. That's part of my conviction that it's a learned / practiced response. If it were innate somehow then those things that break through would be less likely to come up IMO.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

My dad was a fire fighter. I think you get somewhat used to it, though I have found first responders and morticians have very morbid senses of humor. Fire fighters call burn victims "crispy critters" I believe in a way to make them less human. There were scenes my dad responded to that he refused to ever describe. As bad as burn scenes could be, car accidents are the ones that really got to him, especially kids.
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Accurate. One of my best friends is a firefighter in Cincinnati. He has seen some shit. Works in OTR which is a very bad area. HE is pretty much desensitized. Kids get him, he sees a lot of people who have ODed while driving, gun violence, etc...

[CrimsonFox]

Anderson Cooper directed a special presentation now on CNN about the entire week and the details of the sub. Fills in some much needed blanks.

I didn't realize the billionaire ALSO went into Space with Bezos.

I think it was only a matter of time...

I equate him to the vampire lord in Vampire Hunter D that lived for 1000s of years and was just bored with everything

[flere-imsaho]

The US Coast Guard is, by far, the most useful and productive not only of all the Armed Forces, but any part of the DHS, and also more than most police departments.

This is from a few years ago, but gets the point across:

In a single year, the Coast Guard:

• Responded to 19,790 Search and Rescue cases, saved 3,560 lives and more than $77 million in property.
• Removed 107 metric tons of cocaine bound toward the U.S. via the Transit Zone.
• Continued the deployment of six Patrol Boats and 400 personnel to protect Iraqi critical maritime oil infrastructure and train Iraqi naval forces.
• Conducted 919 escorts and patrols to support 190 domestic U.S. military cargo out-loads.
• Conducted 25,500 container inspections, 5,000 facility safety and marine pollution related inspections, and 1,195 cargo transfer monitors to ensure safety and environmental stewardship of the maritime domain.
• Conducted 1,424 boardings of high interest vessels designated as posing a greater-than-normal risk to the United States.
• Interdicted nearly 3,000 undocumented migrants attempting to illegally enter the United States.
• Conducted over 3,700 safety and security exams on vessels operating on the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf.
• Conducted over 11,600 annual inspections on U.S. flag vessels inspected and certificated in accordance with 46 Code of Federal Regulation (CFR) 2.01-7.
• Conducted 4,603 investigations for reportable marine casualties involving commercial vessels.
• Conducted over 49,000 recreational vessel boardings, issued over 12,000 citations, and visited 1,150 recreational boat manufacturers in conjunction with state efforts to provide education and ensure compliance with federal regulations.
• Conducted over 6,000 fisheries conservation boardings.
• Investigated and responded to over 3,300 pollution incidents.
• Verified more than 70,000 Transportation Worker Identification Credentials.
• Screened over 436,000 vessels, including over 117,000 commercial vessels and 29.5 million crew members and passengers

What else happens during an average day?

• Small boats are underway for 396 sorties/missions.
• Aircraft fly 164 missions, logging 324 hours, of which 19 hours are flown off patrolling cutters.
• Law enforcement teams board 144 vessels.
• Cutter and small boat crews interdict and rescue 14 illegal immigrants.
• Marine Safety personnel open 8 new cases for marine violation of federal statutes.
• Marine Inspectors board 100 large vessels for port safety checks.
• Vessel examiners conduct 20 commercial fishing vessel safety exams and issue 11 fishing vessel compliance decals.
• Pollution investigators respond to 20 oil or hazardous chemical spills totaling 2,800 gallons.
• Buoy tenders and Aids to Navigational Teams service 135 aids to navigation.
• Vessel Traffic Service controllers assist 2,509 commercial ships entering & leaving U.S. ports.
• Auxiliarists conduct 377 vessel safety checks and teach boating safety courses to 550 boaters.

Tell me more!

• The U.S. Coast Guard seizes 1 drug smuggling vessel every five days.
• Icebreakers and buoy tenders assist 196,938 tons of shipping daily during the Great Lakes ice season.
• International Ice Patrol sorties provide ice safety information to facilitate the 163,238 tons of shipping during the North Atlantic ice season.
• The Coast Guard is smaller than the New York City Police Department.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The thing is though, of the various ones I got to know even reasonably well, I don't know if there were any who I ever came across who didn't run into the occasional thing that was simply too much. That's part of my conviction that it's a learned / practiced response. If it were innate somehow then those things that break through would be less likely to come up IMO.

My college roommate spent his whole life wanting to be a cop. Studied law enforcement at school and became a state trooper right out of school. Really tough, stoic guy. Worked for 15 years and one day took a call for an unresponsive child. The 1-year old had been beaten to death (I think the baby was barely alive when they arrived and died later at a hospital) by the father who was angry at the mother about something.

Anyway, said that was it and now works at a Farm & Fleet. And this isn't a guy who was easily rattled. He did emergency relief work after hurricanes and other disasters. I know he came across his share of dead bodies.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Accurate. One of my best friends is a firefighter in Cincinnati. He has seen some shit. Works in OTR which is a very bad area. HE is pretty much desensitized. Kids get him, he sees a lot of people who have ODed while driving, gun violence, etc...

OTR has changed A LOT in the past 10 years. It's still got some very sketchy areas, but by and large, it's gentrified with lots of bars, breweries, and restaurants.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

OTR has changed A LOT in the past 10 years. It's still got some very sketchy areas, but by and large, it's gentrified with lots of bars, breweries, and restaurants.

I know but he's been there 20+. It just started changing when we moved.

Actually changed houses recently because he is close to retiring.

[CrimsonFox]

I feel like this story belongs here

Millionaire CEO dies doing something stupid at his company's office party.