NFL Week 11 - Page 4

sabotai · 11-21-2010, 08:27 PM

Well there's Bradshaw's fumble for the game.

molson · 11-21-2010, 08:28 PM

So is Favre really going to play out the string for the Vikings? And will the Vikings let him?

stevew · 11-21-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Wow, fielding that punt was not a smart decision...

Yeah. In that kind of dumb play I'm not saddened if the dude gets a concussion. He deserved it

Assante Samuel has a ridiculous nose for the ball.

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 08:30 PM

Giants really need a sustained drive to end the half.

EagleFan · 11-21-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

So is Favre really going to play out the string for the Vikings? And will the Vikings let him?

I don't see what the upside is to letting him play (except maybe looking to get a higher draft pick).

JS19 · 11-21-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Yeah. In that kind of dumb play I'm not saddened if the dude gets a concussion. He deserved it

Assante Samuel has a ridiculous nose for the ball.

Hopefully he does. Might actually force the Giants to address their special teams needs, something I'm convinced they just do not believe in.

And as I type this Blackmon falls down as he fields the kickoff.

EagleFan · 11-21-2010, 08:33 PM

Do they really want that guy returning anything at this point?

RedKingGold · 11-21-2010, 08:34 PM

Asante's having a game.

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Giants really need a sustained drive to end the half.

so much for that.

RainMaker · 11-21-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I don't see what the upside is to letting him play (except maybe looking to get a higher draft pick).

There is no upside as far as I can tell. They need to give Tavaris these 6 games to see if he can be a competent NFL quarterback. If not, they need to find one this offseason.

tucker rocky · 11-21-2010, 08:35 PM

Eli Manning may want to throw away from Samuel next time.

RedKingGold · 11-21-2010, 08:36 PM

Drops are killing the Eagles tonight.

kingfc22 · 11-21-2010, 08:36 PM

And Avant just kept the Giants in the game.

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 08:36 PM

oh my

EagleFan · 11-21-2010, 08:36 PM

Are you kidding me? That was a gift wrapped touchdown...

stevew · 11-21-2010, 08:37 PM

Avant. Wow.

JS19 · 11-21-2010, 08:37 PM

Really need some points from this drive, Eagles are keeping them in the game.

kingfc22 · 11-21-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

There is no upside as far as I can tell.

Except for the complete and utter melt down from Favre that the rest of the country is waiting for.

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 08:40 PM

about willing to guarantee the Giants turn the ball over again before the half.

RedKingGold · 11-21-2010, 08:40 PM

Well, both special teams are playing quite well.

stevew · 11-21-2010, 08:40 PM

Blackmon again.

sabotai · 11-21-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Eli Manning may want to throw away from Samuel next time.

I thought the decision to throw that was fine, it was just a bad throw by Eli. If he puts that inside of the receiver instead of behind him, Samuel probably flies by him and it'll be a big gain.

But, bad throw and the Giants are lucky to be only down by 10 after the two turnovers.

stevew · 11-21-2010, 08:42 PM

Tell me how Samuel should make that play any other way.

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 08:42 PM

Mr. Samuel get your checkbook out.

Dr. Sak · 11-21-2010, 08:42 PM

It's funny cause Samuel isn't noted for his hits...

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Tell me how Samuel should make that play any other way.

the reverse angle they showed saw him clearly lead with his helmet.

sabotai · 11-21-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Tell me how Samuel should make that play any other way.

Tackling properly instead of launching helmet first at the receiver would be my answer.

kingfc22 · 11-21-2010, 08:44 PM

That is the one type of play that I just don't agree should end in a flag.

There was nothing flagrant about that hit IMO.

JS19 · 11-21-2010, 08:44 PM

Gotta go with Lathum on this one. He could have easily blasted Hagan with a shoulder straight to the ribcage, he was wide open for it.

Dr. Sak · 11-21-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Tell me how Samuel should make that play any other way.

Shoulder to chest...you cant lead with your helmet like that...

stevew · 11-21-2010, 08:45 PM

This Audi dinosaur/human/train/car commercial is making me ill with the motion.

EagleFan · 11-21-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

the reverse angle they showed saw him clearly lead with his helmet.

When the receiver turned into it.

Unfortunately it's the NFL of today.

miami_fan · 11-21-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Tell me how Samuel should make that play any other way.

See Willis McGahee, 4th quarter, 2003 Fiesta Bowl

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

When the receiver turned into it.

Unfortunately it's the NFL of today.

Regardless of what the receiver did you can't lead with your helmet.

JS19 · 11-21-2010, 08:50 PM

Eagles O-Line has been absolutely dominant thus far.

stevew · 11-21-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Shoulder to chest...you cant lead with your helmet like that...

I guess. It's probably going to take a generation of players to change their playing DNA on that type of play. Guy wants to catch that, QB wants to throw that pass, someone is gonna get jacked up.

RedKingGold · 11-21-2010, 08:51 PM

re: Samuel

Wrap-up tackle and try and strip. Not too hard.

molson · 11-21-2010, 08:51 PM

There's some old timey (80s) full length football games on youtube - I haven't watched too much of that footage but I haven't seen any players launching themselves the way they do that draws flags today. Maybe they weren't as athletic, maybe they just were better tacklers, but I'm not positive this is some drastic rule change - more of a reaction to an emerging defensive technique.

miami_fan · 11-21-2010, 08:52 PM

Bang his head off the grass?

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 08:54 PM

The Giants defense has played lights out tonight and deserves better from the offense.

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Bang his head off the grass?

That comment stuck out to me as well. Given the NFLs emphasis on head injuries kind of in bad taste.

JS19 · 11-21-2010, 09:10 PM

Don't know how they missed that helmet-to-helmet. Tollefson knocked him out, I think.

EagleFan · 11-21-2010, 09:11 PM

Uh.... helmet to helmet?

sabotai · 11-21-2010, 09:13 PM

Not a defenseless receiver. Helmet to helmet on a ball carrier is legal. (As long as it's not a quarterback, of course)

Lathum · 11-21-2010, 09:13 PM

Collinsworth just said it isn't a penalty because he wasn't defenseless.

That being said hopefully he is ok.

JS19 · 11-21-2010, 09:13 PM

Well, according to Collinsworth, that helmet to helmet is legal... I just don't get it.

sabotai · 11-21-2010, 09:15 PM

The only time you can not hit helmet-to-helmet is on a QB in the pocket or on a defenseless receiver. Once someone is a "ball carrier" (running down field with the ball in his possession), it's legal.

jbergey22 · 11-21-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

There is no upside as far as I can tell. They need to give Tavaris these 6 games to see if he can be a competent NFL quarterback. If not, they need to find one this offseason.

They already know TJackson isnt starting material. Its the biggest reason they are in this mess.

EagleFan · 11-21-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

The only time you can not hit helmet-to-helmet is on a QB in the pocket or on a defenseless receiver. Once someone is a "ball carrier" (running down field with the ball in his possession), it's legal.

Kind of a dumb rule; it's not like it's somehow less dangerous because he was a ball carrier.

kingfc22 · 11-21-2010, 09:18 PM

Odd that they didn't show a replay. I missed what happened prior to the first commercial break.

Was it a kick return?

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11-21-2010, 08:36 PM	#163
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11-21-2010, 08:36 PM	#165
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11-21-2010, 08:44 PM	#178
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	That is the one type of play that I just don't agree should end in a flag. There was nothing flagrant about that hit IMO. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

11-21-2010, 08:51 PM	#188
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	There's some old timey (80s) full length football games on youtube - I haven't watched too much of that footage but I haven't seen any players launching themselves the way they do that draws flags today. Maybe they weren't as athletic, maybe they just were better tacklers, but I'm not positive this is some drastic rule change - more of a reaction to an emerging defensive technique. Last edited by molson : 11-21-2010 at 08:52 PM.

11-21-2010, 08:27 PM	#151
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Well there's Bradshaw's fumble for the game.

11-21-2010, 08:28 PM	#152
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	So is Favre really going to play out the string for the Vikings? And will the Vikings let him?

11-21-2010, 08:30 PM	#154
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Giants really need a sustained drive to end the half.

11-21-2010, 08:34 PM	#158
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Asante's having a game.

11-21-2010, 08:35 PM	#161
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Eli Manning may want to throw away from Samuel next time.

11-21-2010, 08:36 PM	#162
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Drops are killing the Eagles tonight.

11-21-2010, 08:36 PM	#164
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	oh my

11-21-2010, 08:37 PM	#166
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Avant. Wow.

11-21-2010, 08:37 PM	#167
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Really need some points from this drive, Eagles are keeping them in the game.

11-21-2010, 08:40 PM	#169
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	about willing to guarantee the Giants turn the ball over again before the half.

11-21-2010, 08:40 PM	#170
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Well, both special teams are playing quite well.

11-21-2010, 08:40 PM	#171
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Blackmon again.

11-21-2010, 08:42 PM	#173
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Tell me how Samuel should make that play any other way.

11-21-2010, 08:42 PM	#174
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Mr. Samuel get your checkbook out.

11-21-2010, 08:42 PM	#175
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	It's funny cause Samuel isn't noted for his hits...

11-21-2010, 08:44 PM	#179
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Gotta go with Lathum on this one. He could have easily blasted Hagan with a shoulder straight to the ribcage, he was wide open for it.

11-21-2010, 08:45 PM	#181
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	This Audi dinosaur/human/train/car commercial is making me ill with the motion.

11-21-2010, 08:50 PM	#185
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Eagles O-Line has been absolutely dominant thus far.

11-21-2010, 08:51 PM	#187
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	re: Samuel Wrap-up tackle and try and strip. Not too hard.

11-21-2010, 08:52 PM	#189
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11-21-2010, 08:54 PM	#190
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	The Giants defense has played lights out tonight and deserves better from the offense.

11-21-2010, 09:10 PM	#192
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Don't know how they missed that helmet-to-helmet. Tollefson knocked him out, I think.

11-21-2010, 09:11 PM	#193
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Uh.... helmet to helmet? __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

11-21-2010, 09:13 PM	#194
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Not a defenseless receiver. Helmet to helmet on a ball carrier is legal. (As long as it's not a quarterback, of course) Last edited by sabotai : 11-21-2010 at 09:13 PM.

11-21-2010, 09:13 PM	#195
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Collinsworth just said it isn't a penalty because he wasn't defenseless. That being said hopefully he is ok.

11-21-2010, 09:13 PM	#196
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Well, according to Collinsworth, that helmet to helmet is legal... I just don't get it.

11-21-2010, 09:15 PM	#197
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	The only time you can not hit helmet-to-helmet is on a QB in the pocket or on a defenseless receiver. Once someone is a "ball carrier" (running down field with the ball in his possession), it's legal.

11-21-2010, 09:18 PM	#200
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