NFL Week 5 Thread

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Is there a reason Arizona isn't giving the ball to Ellington more? From the stats, he seems like a way better RB than Mendenhall at this point.

I would say its because Ellington is a rookie, so Mendenhall has the experience edge. But yeah Ellington has looked better overall.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

That was one hell of a battle, really fun to watch, both QB's played their asses off. Each made one bad throw. Romo's bad throw cost him much more dearly, but I would take either QB's performance in a heartbeat. Peyton Manning is separating himself from the other QB's in the "greatest of all time" argument.

Can't really say Romo's cost more. If not for Peyton's pick they wouldn't have been in that situation.

[EagleFan]

Thought I was seeing things. Didn't realize there was a game at 11:30 tonight. Is there a special reason for that?

[rowech]

Romo's terrible on defense. He allowed 51 points!

[Thomkal]

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for Jacksonville...

Jaguars rookie OT Luke Joeckel out for season - Yahoo Sports

And who do they play next week? Denver...at Denver. They should just forfeit and save the transportation costs.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Thought I was seeing things. Didn't realize there was a game at 11:30 tonight. Is there a special reason for that?

They had an A's game last night on that field. I assume it was time to reconfigure the stands and field.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Thought I was seeing things. Didn't realize there was a game at 11:30 tonight. Is there a special reason for that?

Baseball playoffs on the same field yesterday

[Thomkal]

Okay after ripping my beloved Cards last week, have to give them some credit this week. Offense was still pretty terrible, but defense with the return of LB Daryl Washington from his four game suspension, was pretty damn awesome, 7 sacks, 3 INT's, and a safety.

I pretty much think Ron Rivera is out of a job though at Carolina-they are just not letting Cam Newton get outside and make plays on his feet like he did his first year.

[TroyF]

Just throwing out Manning's playoff stats here really quick:

9-11 record, 36 td's, 21 INT's. (his INT rate of 3.0% is a tad under Montana (2.9%)

In the regular season, he's completed 65% of his passes, playoffs 63% regular season 267 yards a game, playoffs 284 yards a game,

yeah, he's had a couple of clunkers, but I think it's tough to pin a lot of those losses on him. Those two "clunkers" against the Chargers everyone remembers: 712 yards passing 4 TD 2 INT

[Crapshoot]

I actually feel bad for Romo. Some idiot is going to try and pin this on him despite one hell of a performance.

[kingfc22]

Pick 6 baby!!!

[Crapshoot]

That was hilarious - right after they show that pick-6 stat, he turns it over. I wonder if this is Schaub's last year in Houston.

[miked]

I had Tom Brady going today, my opponent had Romo.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by miked

I had Tom Brady going today, my opponent had Romo.

I kept Romo on the bench. Oof.

[Dutch]

Um, I expect a flag everytime I see helmet-to-helmet contact. Is that the wrong expectation?

[Dutch]

...I guess so...that was two consecutive...

[spleen1015]

I like how Manning is a choker when he played all of those years with one of the worst defenses in the league and Brady gets all of the credit for the Patriots success when his teams won because of a good defense, the dumbass tuck rule and clutch kicks by their kicker. WTF has Brady done since not having a good defense? Jack shit.

[kingfc22]

Did not see this coming. Brock is owning Schaub tonight.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Did not see this coming. Brock is owning Schaub tonight.

Always supported Schaub, but it's gotta end. He needs to be benched and benched now. You just can't keep throwing pick 6's in this league.

[B & B]

After last weeks choke job and this effort at 21-0, Schaub and Houston are the best worst team in the NFL, and I simply cannot trust the math anymore

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I like how Manning is a choker when he played all of those years with one of the worst defenses in the league and Brady gets all of the credit for the Patriots success when his teams won because of a good defense, the dumbass tuck rule and clutch kicks by their kicker. WTF has Brady done since not having a good defense? Jack shit.

Angry much?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I like how Manning is a choker when he played all of those years with one of the worst defenses in the league and Brady gets all of the credit for the Patriots success when his teams won because of a good defense, the dumbass tuck rule and clutch kicks by their kicker. WTF has Brady done since not having a good defense? Jack shit.

Nobody gives Manning credit? Are you fucking serious?

[EagleFan]

What was the ref doing. (though I find it a little amusing that the Texans were mad at the ref... suck for a half and you pretty much can't complain about a ref bobbling the ball)... His "spotting" of the ball was just rolling it towards the center. I would think the 49ers could have a complaint if the Texans could have gotten a play off after that.

[cartman]

Just got back from the Cowboys-Broncos game. That was an awesome game to attend. Can't blame Romo for that loss. That pick he threw wasn't a gift wrapped mental error type of pick. The Broncos player had to layout to get it. If he didn't get the pick, the Cowboys player had a 25 yard catch.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Just throwing out Manning's playoff stats here really quick:

9-11 record, 36 td's, 21 INT's. (his INT rate of 3.0% is a tad under Montana (2.9%)

In the regular season, he's completed 65% of his passes, playoffs 63% regular season 267 yards a game, playoffs 284 yards a game,

yeah, he's had a couple of clunkers, but I think it's tough to pin a lot of those losses on him. Those two "clunkers" against the Chargers everyone remembers: 712 yards passing 4 TD 2 INT

Certainly hasnt had the same level of team success, but his playoff QB rating is higher than Brady's and about the same as Montana's non superbowl rating. Montana was absolute money in the Superbowl

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Danny

Certainly hasnt had the same level of team success, but his playoff QB rating is higher than Brady's and about the same as Montana's non superbowl rating. Montana was absolute money in the Superbowl

And better than Steve Young, Brett Favre, John Elway and Dan Marino

[SirFozzie]

What a crazy game in Dallas. The good news is the last time so much yardage was given up in Texas, it became a rallying cry for the whole nation.

I mean, y'all "Remember the Alamo", right?

[BillJasper]

Schaub just looks terrible out there.

[kingfc22]

3rd string DT with the INT. When does Kubiak go to Yates?

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Angry much?

Not angry.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Nobody gives Manning credit? Are you fucking serious?

Where did I say no one gives him any credit? I don't know if they do. I was talking about people calling Manning a choker.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Not angry.

Could have fooled me

[kingfc22]

Great play call by Roman.

[RedKingGold]

Eric Reid looks like a stud.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I like how Manning is a choker when he played all of those years with one of the worst defenses in the league and Brady gets all of the credit for the Patriots success when his teams won because of a good defense, the dumbass tuck rule and clutch kicks by their kicker. WTF has Brady done since not having a good defense? Jack shit.

Won the division title and made the playoffs every year, lost 2 super bowls in the final 2 minutes, and still had more playoff wins than Manning despite Peyton's SB year? (8-7 vs. 6-6 since 2004)

The funny part is, I don't even think there's been many Brady vs. Peyton Manning arguments in the last 5 years. The current hot sports take is that you need a quarterback who "steps his game up in the playoffs" like Eli Manning, Joe Flacco or Ben Roethlisberger (where if anything, Matt Ryan is the new Peyton Manning). Which basically just proves how dumb it is to judge QB's solely by team success, especially when you ignore 95% of the games. There are plenty of people who will argue that Eli Manning is "clutch" and they'd rather have him at QB than a Brady/Peyton/Matt Ryan/Aaron Rodgers/Drew Brees, even though he'll only have made it to the playoffs once in the last 5 years barring a miracle turnaround this year.

[Julio Riddols]

That's not anger, that's passion. I always get into heated arguments with people who go with the "who has the rings" argument when determining a player's quality or value.

This past few seasons has provided us with a great representation of what the differences might be between Manning and Brady specifically. Brady with an inexperienced supporting cast has looked pretty average. Manning with a great supporting cast is making Brady's 07 stats look average. He is also doing it almost into his 40's. The guy is a master manipulator and instantly makes any team a contender. I honestly don't think the same can be said for Brady. Brady needs a supporting cast. Manning can take a shit team to a title with a few bounces here and there.

That's my take anyway. I would take Manning before anyone in history if I had to build a team.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

This past few seasons has provided us with a great representation of what the differences might be between Manning and Brady specifically. Brady with an inexperienced supporting cast has looked pretty average. Manning with a great supporting cast is making Brady's 07 stats look average. He is also doing it almost into his 40's. The guy is a master manipulator and instantly makes any team a contender. I honestly don't think the same can be said for Brady. Brady needs a supporting cast. Manning can take a shit team to a title with a few bounces here and there.

You must have a different definition of average than I do. And I really hope you're trolling with the supporting cast argument, because Brady's had better skill position players around him than Manning 1? 2? seasons total. (Just think about that 2006 team Manning & the Colts beat 38-34 in the AFC title game. The Pats leading receivers were Reche Caldwell, Ben Watson, Troy Brown, Doug Gabriel, Jabar Gaffney, Chad Jackson and Laurence Maroney. Again, that team made it to an AFC title game and scored 34 points.)

Btw, Brady's 2007 stats
Before November: 198-267 2431 30 2
After November: 200-311 2375 20 6

2nd half is still very good, but not historically great like the first half. Just like what Peyton's done in 5 games so far is amazing, and his overall stats may still exceed Brady's from that year, but you can't just extrapolate from these 5 games because he will fall off this pace in colder weather. Just like his stats will be worse when it's raining/snowing.

Brady's 2013 stats
Dry games: 74-119 829 6 2
Wet games: 37-77 382 1 1

That's not a Brady thing, or a Manning thing, that's an every quarterback in the world throws the ball better when it's warm and dry thing.

[BillJasper]

Vikings sign Freeman. Looks like Ponder's time in Minnesota is over.

[hoopsguy]

Raiders looking good in late night?

[Matthean]

Maybe Pryor hadn't heard the news about Freeman and decided to go all out.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Vikings sign Freeman. Looks like Ponder's time in Minnesota is over.

Good luck, Josh.

[Qwikshot]

I already have facebook friends who are Giants fans discussing what they should do with the 2015 first overall pick...they've seen Jacksonville still exists right?

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

That's my take anyway. I would take Manning before anyone in history if I had to build a team.

Me too. I'm just trying to enjoy the last years of his career. Will be a sad day when he hangs 'em up.

[BillJasper]

I think Peyton Manning is the best quarterback in the history of the NFL. But one of the things I've noticed over the course of his career is that if you can match him score for score early in a game, he will begin to press and that's usually when he makes his mistakes.

[molson]

I've never cared much about the Manning v. Brady debate, I'm just happy that my team didn't spent the last few days intently debating the merits of Josh Freeman v. Christian Ponder. If Manning's the best, than the Pats have still done OK at that position the last 12 years. You can win with either guy.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

I already have facebook friends who are Giants fans discussing what they should do with the 2015 first overall pick...they've seen Jacksonville still exists right?

IT would really suck if next year was just as bad...

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by molson

I've never cared much about the Manning v. Brady debate, I'm just happy that my team didn't spent the last few days intently debating the merits of Josh Freeman v. Christian Ponder. If Manning's the best, than the Pats have still done OK at that position the last 12 years. You can win with either guy.

This is kind of where I fall with Eli. You will never see me say he is better that those guys, but this year aside I wouldn't want any other QB for my team given the results he has had.

Would Brady, Peyton, etc...have the same results? Probably but we will bever know, so for me I wouldn't trade him for anyone.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by molson

I've never cared much about the Manning v. Brady debate, I'm just happy that my team didn't spent the last few days intently debating the merits of Josh Freeman v. Christian Ponder. If Manning's the best, than the Pats have still done OK at that position the last 12 years. You can win with either guy.

Hey now, the Vikings have been debating the merits of Josh Freeman v. Christian Ponder v. Matt Cassel.

[Sun Tzu]

G-MEN!

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Lathum

IT would really suck if next year was just as bad...

I was about to say the same thing.